| Beale on Offish 18:29 - Jul 30 with 6920 views | stainrods_elbow |
Bullish and defiant - a 'strong enough' performance, apparently, albeit 'a bit toothless' in the final third, 'which' - rather tellingly - 'we all knew about anyway' (and which, blow me down with a blue and white feather, probably means it wasn't strong enough after all).
O well, he might be a good football manager, but he's still a football manager, I suppose, and he probably rehearsed that first-game speech irrespective of the outcome. 'Not full strength' is probably the straw we clutch onto. |  |
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| Beale on Offish on 21:35 - Jul 30 with 1904 views | Whip_It |
Yes it is - these comments soon evaporate when we win. Anyone with a half a brain can see the fantastic job that Les, Chris Ramsey and others have done to drag this club up from the wreckage left behind by the likes of Redknapp. |  | | |
| Beale on Offish on 21:38 - Jul 30 with 1889 views | DejR_vu |
| Beale on Offish on 21:35 - Jul 30 by Whip_It |
Yes it is - these comments soon evaporate when we win. Anyone with a half a brain can see the fantastic job that Les, Chris Ramsey and others have done to drag this club up from the wreckage left behind by the likes of Redknapp. |
The people with the other half of the brain might disagree  | |
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| Beale on Offish on 21:44 - Jul 30 with 1868 views | VancouverHoop |
| Beale on Offish on 21:21 - Jul 30 by davman |
Get used to it. Not an excuse for our performance, but the ref did not want to book anyone today. As I say again and again, I get the "it's a tough job" argument, but how hard is it for them to be consistent?
Continues to shock me... |
It was his first match at this level. I thought he was OK given the scrutiny and b.s from players refs have to deal with these days. I've certainly seen many worse, and no way was he partial to one side or the other. | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 21:49 - Jul 30 with 1843 views | DejR_vu |
| Beale on Offish on 21:23 - Jul 30 by CliveWilsonSaid |
He created the job at QPR.
When you say his tenure has been "abject" who are you comparing him to? Which DOF is the successful comparison? |
Other clubs. They're all there to win football matches and get promoted. We've been poor at one, failed at the other. | |
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| Beale on Offish on 22:08 - Jul 30 with 1799 views | LythamR |
| Beale on Offish on 20:02 - Jul 30 by Toast_R |
I thought the ref was sh*t today. When did a blatant shirt pull become just a word in your ear rather than a yellow card? Possibly a second if it was Buckley but couldn't tell from where I was. |
it was Buckley and it was a definate yellow, the ref started going for the card then realised it was Buckley and stopped
Bent |  | | |
| Beale on Offish on 23:55 - Jul 30 with 1652 views | Myke |
| Beale on Offish on 21:44 - Jul 30 by VancouverHoop |
It was his first match at this level. I thought he was OK given the scrutiny and b.s from players refs have to deal with these days. I've certainly seen many worse, and no way was he partial to one side or the other. |
Not his first game at this level, just his first time reffing us. He has actually been promoted to the prem, the only ref from EFL to be so I think | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 23:58 - Jul 30 with 1631 views | VancouverHoop |
| Beale on Offish on 23:55 - Jul 30 by Myke |
Not his first game at this level, just his first time reffing us. He has actually been promoted to the prem, the only ref from EFL to be so I think |
I stand corrected. Many thanks. Still thought he was OK BTW. Awful job I 'm surprised anyone wants to do it. | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 23:59 - Jul 30 with 1630 views | Devon_4_England |
| Beale on Offish on 22:08 - Jul 30 by LythamR |
it was Buckley and it was a definate yellow, the ref started going for the card then realised it was Buckley and stopped
Bent |
Was a key moment. Was reaching for the card. Bottled it. |  | | |
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| Beale on Offish on 00:02 - Jul 31 with 1619 views | ealinghoop |
| Beale on Offish on 20:12 - Jul 30 by paulparker |
Under Les we have seen the following strikers
Polter
Sylla
Yeni ngabeto (sp)
Washington
Dykes
Bonne
Kelman
All of these bought for cash , all have been crap
We have lost Bidwell , Manning, BOS, Hall, Barbet for no return
We have never solved the right back issue and have given one of the worst left backs in the history of football a 4 year deal
Our only success story has been Eze
I think it’s fair that fans start questioning Les and his role here |
This is an embarrassing statement of criticism.
If you want to rip les to shreds then talk about the plan for warburton and how QPR as a club haven’t grown in managerial appointments.
Your lazy point on transfers is that he’s made some poor decisions?
Liverpool signed Keita, chamberlain and tsmikas to name a few under klopp (no doubt countless other names we’ve never heard of)
Chelsea signed bakayoko, Lukaku and morata for millions and they all flopped
Man utd signed everyone and anyone and no one worked out
Everyone makes bad signings.
Under les we’ve also sold… freeman, smithies, BOS, furlong, manning and De Wijs….
We have literally made money on transfer fees for the first time since the 90s… so it’s not just eze.
Look at all of those players mentioned above, and QPR fans are loyal as possible, but We’ll say they all should of been sold for more money. Smithies & freeman have bombed since. Manning has just about got into swanseas team and BOS is playing RB because fenerbache signed a winger they couldn’t trust.
But they were sold for more money than the free transfer they were signed for. But it’s easy to point out poor transfers despite what’s happened since
How people can laugh and scoff about what we’ve doing now and criticise when we’ve had a period of time in the prem and signed players who have openly laughed about there time at the club is dumbfounding
If Les Ferdinand is a problem then tell me what was right before? | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 00:10 - Jul 31 with 1596 views | DejR_vu |
| Beale on Offish on 00:02 - Jul 31 by ealinghoop |
This is an embarrassing statement of criticism.
If you want to rip les to shreds then talk about the plan for warburton and how QPR as a club haven’t grown in managerial appointments.
Your lazy point on transfers is that he’s made some poor decisions?
Liverpool signed Keita, chamberlain and tsmikas to name a few under klopp (no doubt countless other names we’ve never heard of)
Chelsea signed bakayoko, Lukaku and morata for millions and they all flopped
Man utd signed everyone and anyone and no one worked out
Everyone makes bad signings.
Under les we’ve also sold… freeman, smithies, BOS, furlong, manning and De Wijs….
We have literally made money on transfer fees for the first time since the 90s… so it’s not just eze.
Look at all of those players mentioned above, and QPR fans are loyal as possible, but We’ll say they all should of been sold for more money. Smithies & freeman have bombed since. Manning has just about got into swanseas team and BOS is playing RB because fenerbache signed a winger they couldn’t trust.
But they were sold for more money than the free transfer they were signed for. But it’s easy to point out poor transfers despite what’s happened since
How people can laugh and scoff about what we’ve doing now and criticise when we’ve had a period of time in the prem and signed players who have openly laughed about there time at the club is dumbfounding
If Les Ferdinand is a problem then tell me what was right before? |
With respect, I think the fact you’re highlighting Manning and BOS as successes says it all | |
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| Beale on Offish on 06:48 - Jul 31 with 1442 views | PhilmyRs |
| Beale on Offish on 00:02 - Jul 31 by ealinghoop |
This is an embarrassing statement of criticism.
If you want to rip les to shreds then talk about the plan for warburton and how QPR as a club haven’t grown in managerial appointments.
Your lazy point on transfers is that he’s made some poor decisions?
Liverpool signed Keita, chamberlain and tsmikas to name a few under klopp (no doubt countless other names we’ve never heard of)
Chelsea signed bakayoko, Lukaku and morata for millions and they all flopped
Man utd signed everyone and anyone and no one worked out
Everyone makes bad signings.
Under les we’ve also sold… freeman, smithies, BOS, furlong, manning and De Wijs….
We have literally made money on transfer fees for the first time since the 90s… so it’s not just eze.
Look at all of those players mentioned above, and QPR fans are loyal as possible, but We’ll say they all should of been sold for more money. Smithies & freeman have bombed since. Manning has just about got into swanseas team and BOS is playing RB because fenerbache signed a winger they couldn’t trust.
But they were sold for more money than the free transfer they were signed for. But it’s easy to point out poor transfers despite what’s happened since
How people can laugh and scoff about what we’ve doing now and criticise when we’ve had a period of time in the prem and signed players who have openly laughed about there time at the club is dumbfounding
If Les Ferdinand is a problem then tell me what was right before? |
Good post.
Would add that Willock pre injury looks a quality signing even though a few on here thought it was a laughable one. Add to that Dunne, Dickie, Field and Chair and I think a lot of our business has been good. Yes, the magical number 9 has proved elusive but think you’ll find a number of clubs have had similar experiences. Getting decent strikers in is the hardest bit of business to do. | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 09:49 - Jul 31 with 1282 views | francisbowles |
| Beale on Offish on 21:25 - Jul 30 by QPR_Jim |
I believe that you're not being fair to him. To be clear I expect the scouts to do the scouting. Have they missed opportunities like Scott Twine, yes but generally all the scouts are fishing the same pool and competing for the same talent as every other championship club so it won't always go our way and we may end up taking the 3/4/5 option, who knows.
You said "Les didn’t solve the wage bill problem. He didn’t persuade players to leave their contracts behind for nothing. They came to an end." True, but he managed to get the ghost that was Steven Caulker loans to Southampton and Liverpool to get the budget down while waiting. Plus the difficulty wasn't getting the budget down but keeping us in this league while doing it.
I think the only thing that changes with time is the memory of how bad the situation was when HR left and how much we've had to dig away just to halt the rot that was in place. |
I agree with your posts, Jim. Scott Twine though, I don't think we missed an opportunity, I think he preferred to go to MK Dons and be guaranteed a starting place. If he had decided to come here, at a higher level he would have had to compete for that position.
Shame for us but from his point of view, it was almost certainly the correct decision. | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 10:41 - Jul 31 with 1199 views | derbyhoop |
| Beale on Offish on 23:59 - Jul 30 by Devon_4_England |
Was a key moment. Was reaching for the card. Bottled it. |
I thought it was fair enough to let him off with a warning.
Got the yellows correct.
Allowed a bit of spice but nothing too controversial.
The ref was better than the game! |  |
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| Beale on Offish on 15:19 - Jul 31 with 1073 views | PinnerPaul |
People - we DO have a thread on Les Ferdinand, I would respectfully suggest its a bit pointless posting the same stuff on other threads like this that have nothing to do with him.
Is pointless, repetitive and just pees people off who want to discuss/read about the actual subject in the thread title.
Free country and all that but still that's my view. | | | |
| Beale on Offish on 15:36 - Jul 31 with 1045 views | Hoopstar |
| Beale on Offish on 21:49 - Jul 30 by DejR_vu |
Other clubs. They're all there to win football matches and get promoted. We've been poor at one, failed at the other. |
This is an odd line though - failing at promotion when it hasn't been remotely on our radar bar last season realistically.
Are DejRvu and superhoopsdown jusdt the same person replying to themself? |  | | |
| Beale on Offish on 15:59 - Jul 31 with 1002 views | LazyFan |
Evil Les in my view has done a decent job. I was worried about getting rid of Warbs as one of the good things about MW was that he learned from his mistakes ... or so I thought. In the latter half of the season, he did not and kept playing the same old approach although it clearly was not working without Willock.
Beale on paper seems a decent signing. He gave Shodipo a chance after impressing in the preseason games. And let Kakay play RB when Warbs would have still blocked him with 4 fullbacks out. So, he is letting the young uns have a go, including debuting Armstrong.
Shodipo showed he's Washout 2 and should be dropped and Kakay did enough to get played again. Armstrong should also now play more in the first team so, we can see what he can do.
I am hoping more youngsters get blooded and we can see if they can hack it and if not, then we can try others. Now I know this is a risk, but this is why I have stated before that this season I feel we shall be in a relegation battle. And that's just acceptable if we are indeed bringing on new talent to sell and survive as a club.
If we are doing what Reading is doing and spunking loads of wages on players with no sell-on value then I would call for Les and Hoos to go. But we are not and the new manager they brought in is looking to get value from the younglings. The trade-off though is we shall be in a relegation battle.
Play wise we need to fix one thing, creating chances. This we are not doing, I know this is very hard, but that's the nature of the game. |  |
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