| Euro 2021 Thread 18:21 - Jun 11 with 19666 views | blackdogblue |
I will start it... 😀
My money is on France to win |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 06:48 - Jun 15 with 2148 views | DiddyDave |
I see the saga of Scottish goalkeepers continues, sixty years now since we had Nine Past Haffey. |  | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 08:05 - Jun 15 with 2069 views | pioneer |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 06:48 - Jun 15 by DiddyDave |
I see the saga of Scottish goalkeepers continues, sixty years now since we had Nine Past Haffey. |
Even Pepe gladioli would have waited until the final before playing his goalie in midfield
The goalie must be a favourite for the Bob Wilson-Alan Rough Magic Moment award | | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 16:10 - Jun 15 with 1922 views | finberty |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 06:48 - Jun 15 by DiddyDave |
I see the saga of Scottish goalkeepers continues, sixty years now since we had Nine Past Haffey. |
I can remember Stewart Kennedy in 1975 at Wembley having a 'mare. Alan Rough had several 'mares, assisted by an unsatisfactory permed hairdo. Jim Leighton had a bad time at the end of his Man Utd career but I don't recall any howlers for Scotland. Craig Gordon let a soft one through against England a few years back.
On the other hand I remember David Harvey in 1974 keeping Brazil out - that Scotland side was eliminated only on goal difference - they only beat Zaire 2-0 when Yugoslavia beat them 9-0.
Don't forget that England can offer up:
David Seaman v Ronaldinho (chipped from about 40 yards);
David Seaman v Ronald Koeman (direct freekick when standing in the wrong position). Scott Carson (missing a backpass).
Rob Green (fumbling a tame prod into his own net). |  | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 16:51 - Jun 15 with 1896 views | AtThePeake |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 16:10 - Jun 15 by finberty |
I can remember Stewart Kennedy in 1975 at Wembley having a 'mare. Alan Rough had several 'mares, assisted by an unsatisfactory permed hairdo. Jim Leighton had a bad time at the end of his Man Utd career but I don't recall any howlers for Scotland. Craig Gordon let a soft one through against England a few years back.
On the other hand I remember David Harvey in 1974 keeping Brazil out - that Scotland side was eliminated only on goal difference - they only beat Zaire 2-0 when Yugoslavia beat them 9-0.
Don't forget that England can offer up:
David Seaman v Ronaldinho (chipped from about 40 yards);
David Seaman v Ronald Koeman (direct freekick when standing in the wrong position). Scott Carson (missing a backpass).
Rob Green (fumbling a tame prod into his own net). |
Think you're mistaking Carson for Robinson with the missed backpass, but Carson did fumble in that Eduardo shot for Croatia that saw us miss out on Euro 2008. |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 20:43 - Jun 15 with 1821 views | finberty |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 16:51 - Jun 15 by AtThePeake |
Think you're mistaking Carson for Robinson with the missed backpass, but Carson did fumble in that Eduardo shot for Croatia that saw us miss out on Euro 2008. |
Dead right - thanks for correcting.
So many to choose from you see, and it seems more England howlers than Scotland howlers, which is a pity as it was always something you could use to wind Scots up. | | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 22:28 - Jun 15 with 1763 views | mingthemerciless |
Not to mention Ray Clemence letting a pea roller go through his legs against Scotland and Peter Shilton diving over that long shot in the famous World Cup qualifier against Poland. | | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 05:00 - Jun 16 with 1684 views | DiddyDave |
Can anybody please tell me the reason why the linos don`t put the flag up when a player is clearly offside, then raise it after they`ve put the ball in the back of the net, as happened to Hungary last night. What is the logic of that? | | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 08:38 - Jun 16 with 1630 views | DaleiLama |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 05:00 - Jun 16 by DiddyDave |
Can anybody please tell me the reason why the linos don`t put the flag up when a player is clearly offside, then raise it after they`ve put the ball in the back of the net, as happened to Hungary last night. What is the logic of that? |
One of these days there'll be a serious injury in an attempt to score or defend a goal and it will be called back. Ridiculous policy. |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 08:47 - Jun 16 with 1619 views | TVOS1907 |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 05:00 - Jun 16 by DiddyDave |
Can anybody please tell me the reason why the linos don`t put the flag up when a player is clearly offside, then raise it after they`ve put the ball in the back of the net, as happened to Hungary last night. What is the logic of that? |
It's so that if it isn't clearly offside, 'legal' goals aren't ruled out until there has been a VAR check. This has been in place for the last couple of seasons in games where VAR is used.
More here: https://www.premierleague.com/news/1833470#:~:text=When%20an%20immediate%20goals |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 08:52 - Jun 16 with 1615 views | TVOS1907 |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 08:38 - Jun 16 by DaleiLama |
One of these days there'll be a serious injury in an attempt to score or defend a goal and it will be called back. Ridiculous policy. |
That could still happen with the flag going up, as a player would really struggle to change his momentum in a split second.
Top level players have been used to this interpretation for two seasons now, so I'm sure they don't see it as a major issue.
And, as we were all taught, play to the whistle. | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 10:24 - Jun 16 with 1536 views | DaleiLama |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 08:52 - Jun 16 by TVOS1907 |
That could still happen with the flag going up, as a player would really struggle to change his momentum in a split second.
Top level players have been used to this interpretation for two seasons now, so I'm sure they don't see it as a major issue.
And, as we were all taught, play to the whistle. |
I guess. Have players been polled on this anyone? It has certainly taken the joy out of goal celebrations. Bit like lockdown birthdays being celebrated months later! | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 10:34 - Jun 16 with 1512 views | dingdangblue |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 05:00 - Jun 16 by DiddyDave |
Can anybody please tell me the reason why the linos don`t put the flag up when a player is clearly offside, then raise it after they`ve put the ball in the back of the net, as happened to Hungary last night. What is the logic of that? |
Ally McCoist was moaning about this last night but he should know better. With VAR it's more sensible to keep the flag down and play on till the shot is taken. You wouldn't be happy if you were the forward through on goal,wrongly flagged offside, and stop playing. |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 12:26 - Jun 16 with 1457 views | D_Alien |
Another advantage is that play can just continue if a goal isn't scored, reducing the number of stoppages for trivial offsides |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 18:57 - Jun 16 with 1381 views | D_Alien |
Well done Wales, good watch | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 20:14 - Jun 16 with 1314 views | fitzochris |
I imagine 442Dale will have something to say about Italy’s shorts this evening. |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 20:28 - Jun 16 with 1302 views | 442Dale |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 20:14 - Jun 16 by fitzochris |
I imagine 442Dale will have something to say about Italy’s shorts this evening. |
The issue is with the opposition. Or UEFA. Switzerland’s home kit is actually all red this time so there would never have been a shorts clash, yet for some reason we are seeing more examples of this ‘dark v light’ whole kits that first started at the 2014 World Cup.
It’s both sickening and upsetting. You can only imagine how this can affect the balance of the universe.
Italy are good, mind. Must be the shorts. |  |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 20:58 - Jun 16 with 1270 views | DiddyDave |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 12:26 - Jun 16 by D_Alien |
Another advantage is that play can just continue if a goal isn't scored, reducing the number of stoppages for trivial offsides |
Offside is only trivial if a player is in an offside position but is not interfering with play. In the Hungary case, there were two players in an offside position, but only one, the player who received the ball, was interfering with play, so he is offside straight away. Why make the game more complicated for no apparent reason?
Are they using VAR? I only watch the nine minute highlights on Youtube and I haven`t noticed it being used yet. I only mention it because Scotland were denied a penalty for a clear hand ball in their 2-0 loss the other night. | | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 21:18 - Jun 16 with 1257 views | TVOS1907 |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 20:58 - Jun 16 by DiddyDave |
Offside is only trivial if a player is in an offside position but is not interfering with play. In the Hungary case, there were two players in an offside position, but only one, the player who received the ball, was interfering with play, so he is offside straight away. Why make the game more complicated for no apparent reason?
Are they using VAR? I only watch the nine minute highlights on Youtube and I haven`t noticed it being used yet. I only mention it because Scotland were denied a penalty for a clear hand ball in their 2-0 loss the other night. |
Yes, they are. I didn't see the incident in question, nor have I read about it anywhere else, but it would have been checked immediately.
Re. your first paragraph, the offside law is different these days. Back in the past, a player could be flagged offside on the far touchline even if the ball or the attack were on the near touchline. That's not "for no apparent reason" to me. | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 21:25 - Jun 16 with 1251 views | D_Alien |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 20:58 - Jun 16 by DiddyDave |
Offside is only trivial if a player is in an offside position but is not interfering with play. In the Hungary case, there were two players in an offside position, but only one, the player who received the ball, was interfering with play, so he is offside straight away. Why make the game more complicated for no apparent reason?
Are they using VAR? I only watch the nine minute highlights on Youtube and I haven`t noticed it being used yet. I only mention it because Scotland were denied a penalty for a clear hand ball in their 2-0 loss the other night. |
There's examples every single game where players could be deemed to be interfering with play after wandering offside. In many cases, the ref might 'wave play on' if no advantage accrues, but the new rule means play just continues anyway now, reducing stoppages
The rest of your post is irrelevant to this point
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 00:28 - Jun 17 with 1197 views | DiddyDave |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 21:25 - Jun 16 by D_Alien |
There's examples every single game where players could be deemed to be interfering with play after wandering offside. In many cases, the ref might 'wave play on' if no advantage accrues, but the new rule means play just continues anyway now, reducing stoppages
The rest of your post is irrelevant to this point
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When I was reffing, the laws of the game for offsides and fouls included the words, "If, in the opinion of the referee......." Now it appears to be, "You will, or you must." How things have changed, no wonder they find it difficult to get refs these days and I`m talking about refs who have actually played the game. Sorry if all that is irrelevant. | | | |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 05:41 - Jun 17 with 1160 views | D_Alien |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 00:28 - Jun 17 by DiddyDave |
When I was reffing, the laws of the game for offsides and fouls included the words, "If, in the opinion of the referee......." Now it appears to be, "You will, or you must." How things have changed, no wonder they find it difficult to get refs these days and I`m talking about refs who have actually played the game. Sorry if all that is irrelevant. |
Irrelevant? I'll say it is!
A lack of ex-footballers becoming refs has always been talked about - there never was a time when it was known to be a usual career path
And whilst the laws of the game have evolved, and can be argued as being for the better or worse, it's certainly not a reason for ex-footballers not becoming refs. There are reasons, as this article shows, incidentally involving an ex-Daley:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49007776
The only thing worse than a ref who needs specs is, perhaps, one who wears rose-tinted ones | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 16:38 - Jun 17 with 1012 views | blackdogblue |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 05:41 - Jun 17 by D_Alien |
Irrelevant? I'll say it is!
A lack of ex-footballers becoming refs has always been talked about - there never was a time when it was known to be a usual career path
And whilst the laws of the game have evolved, and can be argued as being for the better or worse, it's certainly not a reason for ex-footballers not becoming refs. There are reasons, as this article shows, incidentally involving an ex-Daley:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49007776
The only thing worse than a ref who needs specs is, perhaps, one who wears rose-tinted ones |
On the subject of VAR unless I have missed it on parts of the games I have watched on TV they are not showing decisions etc on a big screen just sending the ref instructions via his headset & not seen a ref go to a monitor either??? | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 20:12 - Jun 17 with 964 views | blackdogblue |
| Euro 2021 Thread on 16:38 - Jun 17 by blackdogblue |
On the subject of VAR unless I have missed it on parts of the games I have watched on TV they are not showing decisions etc on a big screen just sending the ref instructions via his headset & not seen a ref go to a monitor either??? |
Take it back, penalty decision in the NL game, he went to the monitor… very low key though | |
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| Euro 2021 Thread on 22:46 - Jun 18 with 801 views | EllDale |
Am I the only one who saw similarities tonight with what we saw at Spotland last season.
Ok I know the players are different class but…..
Pedestrian build-up.
Lack of urgency
Crap substitutions
Inability to get a corner past the near post | | | |
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