| this might put a smile on our faces 11:34 - Aug 8 with 19849 views | wombat |
Rumour going round that the new ikea stadium near a bus stop in middx might have big problems allowing fans for the coming season (if we are allowed of course) as we all have been told its brand new made up of off cuts from the ikea cat from 2002 , what it seems it dosnt have is a safety cert , As i say this is a rumour but how funny would that be after the bitter dissapointment of them not showing up as wembley recenrtly nobody will be allowed to even enter the ikea stadium until they have one ,
think they have to stage 3/4 events leading to full capacity event before they are given a saftey cert and of course that cant happen in the present climate |  |
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| this might put a smile on our faces on 11:39 - Aug 8 with 10844 views | Gloucs_R |
Also heard the Wimbledon may be sharing with us at the start of the season as their ground isnt ready. |  |
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| this might put a smile on our faces on 11:43 - Aug 8 with 10814 views | francisbowles |
If it is true then I would think moves will be made to give it a temporary certificate with limited capacity to at least the first level. Which, if successful, could then possibly increase to level 2, if that is within whatever covid world capacity percentage is allowed by government.
Can't see a situation where they are not allowed to use it. |  | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 12:05 - Aug 8 with 10726 views | Tonto |
Before we start gloating, remember, at least they have a new stadium being built.
Its hardly surprising things have been held up. COVID put a stop or delay on a lot of construction.
I dont bare any ill will towards Brentford. They haven't cheated their way to where they are like Derby or Villa or Bournemouth. |  |
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| this might put a smile on our faces on 13:10 - Aug 8 with 10542 views | Esox_Lucius |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 12:05 - Aug 8 by Tonto |
Before we start gloating, remember, at least they have a new stadium being built.
Its hardly surprising things have been held up. COVID put a stop or delay on a lot of construction.
I dont bare any ill will towards Brentford. They haven't cheated their way to where they are like Derby or Villa or Bournemouth. |
Derby, Villa or Bournemouth didn't spend years trying to prevent QPR from leasing Warren Farm. They can go bust for all I care. |  |
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| this might put a smile on our faces on 13:15 - Aug 8 with 10526 views | LongsufferingR |
Perhaps somebody reported skylarks nesting in the dressing rooms? Just a thought  |  | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 13:18 - Aug 8 with 10513 views | Northernr |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 11:39 - Aug 8 by Gloucs_R |
Also heard the Wimbledon may be sharing with us at the start of the season as their ground isnt ready. |
That's interesting. October their ground is meant to be ready by. Heard we're playing them in a friendly later this month at ours. |  | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 14:38 - Aug 8 with 10296 views | DannyPaddox |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 11:39 - Aug 8 by Gloucs_R |
Also heard the Wimbledon may be sharing with us at the start of the season as their ground isnt ready. |
Oh great - if the coronavirus can pass from a bat or a pangolin to a human who’s to say it can’t jump from a Womble too [Post edited 8 Aug 2020 14:39]
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| this might put a smile on our faces on 14:42 - Aug 8 with 10269 views | qprxtc |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 14:38 - Aug 8 by DannyPaddox |
Oh great - if the coronavirus can pass from a bat or a pangolin to a human who’s to say it can’t jump from a Womble too [Post edited 8 Aug 2020 14:39]
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Would that be called the Orinoco Flow? |  | | |
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| this might put a smile on our faces on 14:58 - Aug 8 with 10223 views | DannyPaddox |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 14:42 - Aug 8 by qprxtc |
Would that be called the Orinoco Flow? |
aka: Enya On The Blob | | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 23:03 - Aug 9 with 9690 views | NewBee |
Perhaps "Wombat" shouldn't get too excited with BFC "having to stage 3/4 events leading to full capacity event before they are given a saftey cert".
For It is LBH's safety officer, along with the Sports Grounds Safety Authority, who decide the criteria for issuing safety certificates, there being no fixed rule.
And while LBH would never compromise essential safety standards, they have nonetheless been notably supportive of this whole project, so will not put overly restrictive barriers in the club's way.
Which is why the latest news from the club is that they expect to start the new season at Lionel Road without spectators (like every other club), but hope to have perhaps 25% capacity as early as October.
Of course this is all dependant on the virus, so no-one can say definitively, but even if/when other clubs are allowed 100% capacity at some given date, there is no reason why Bees couldn't first stage a game with, say, 50%, then another with 75%, before being permitted to go full on.
We could live with that. | | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 23:30 - Aug 9 with 9626 views | DavieQPR |
I still think it is a horrible looking ground that looks as they it was put in as an afterthought. Almost a case of 'right we've got the flats and everything else in and this is what we have left for a stadium but mind all the train tracts. Build loads of premium seats so we can squeeze the real fans. |  | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 23:54 - Aug 9 with 9589 views | PunteR |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 14:38 - Aug 8 by DannyPaddox |
Oh great - if the coronavirus can pass from a bat or a pangolin to a human who’s to say it can’t jump from a Womble too [Post edited 8 Aug 2020 14:39]
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its just a common cold |  |
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| this might put a smile on our faces on 00:39 - Aug 10 with 9553 views | NewBee |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 23:30 - Aug 9 by DavieQPR |
I still think it is a horrible looking ground that looks as they it was put in as an afterthought. Almost a case of 'right we've got the flats and everything else in and this is what we have left for a stadium but mind all the train tracts. Build loads of premium seats so we can squeeze the real fans. |
"Afterthought"?
There was a triangular patch of ground between the 3 train tracks which a fan spotted was JUST big enough for a stadium.
That was the club's priority, nothing more, nothing less.
Thereafter, the developer bought adjoining land on which to build the flats etc, known as "enabling development". It was physically and legally impossible to extend the stadium onto that land.
As for the seating, the original plan was for 20k, the absolute max that could be squeezed in. However, a review indicated that incorporating 3k Premium seats in a 17.5k capacity would produce more revenue overall.
And seeing as how (a ) we only had crowds of 5-7k as recently as a decade ago; (b ) it's still a 45% increase on GP; (c ) neither configuration would produce enough revenue to make BFC financially viable in the Championship; and most crucially (d ) the owner has sunk c.£100m into the club already, then I don't know of a single reasonably-informed Bees fan who doesn't understand and accept the rationale behind this.
Above all, if not Lionel Road, then the only other option would have been to move away from Brentford completely, and not a single Bees fan, "real" or otherwise, would prefer that. | | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 09:51 - Aug 10 with 9330 views | francisbowles |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 00:39 - Aug 10 by NewBee |
"Afterthought"?
There was a triangular patch of ground between the 3 train tracks which a fan spotted was JUST big enough for a stadium.
That was the club's priority, nothing more, nothing less.
Thereafter, the developer bought adjoining land on which to build the flats etc, known as "enabling development". It was physically and legally impossible to extend the stadium onto that land.
As for the seating, the original plan was for 20k, the absolute max that could be squeezed in. However, a review indicated that incorporating 3k Premium seats in a 17.5k capacity would produce more revenue overall.
And seeing as how (a ) we only had crowds of 5-7k as recently as a decade ago; (b ) it's still a 45% increase on GP; (c ) neither configuration would produce enough revenue to make BFC financially viable in the Championship; and most crucially (d ) the owner has sunk c.£100m into the club already, then I don't know of a single reasonably-informed Bees fan who doesn't understand and accept the rationale behind this.
Above all, if not Lionel Road, then the only other option would have been to move away from Brentford completely, and not a single Bees fan, "real" or otherwise, would prefer that. |
'Above all, if not Lionel Road, then the only other option would have been to move away from Brentford completely, and not a single Bees fan, "real" or otherwise, would prefer that.'
Warren Farm is available | | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 10:22 - Aug 10 with 9281 views | MrSheen |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 00:39 - Aug 10 by NewBee |
"Afterthought"?
There was a triangular patch of ground between the 3 train tracks which a fan spotted was JUST big enough for a stadium.
That was the club's priority, nothing more, nothing less.
Thereafter, the developer bought adjoining land on which to build the flats etc, known as "enabling development". It was physically and legally impossible to extend the stadium onto that land.
As for the seating, the original plan was for 20k, the absolute max that could be squeezed in. However, a review indicated that incorporating 3k Premium seats in a 17.5k capacity would produce more revenue overall.
And seeing as how (a ) we only had crowds of 5-7k as recently as a decade ago; (b ) it's still a 45% increase on GP; (c ) neither configuration would produce enough revenue to make BFC financially viable in the Championship; and most crucially (d ) the owner has sunk c.£100m into the club already, then I don't know of a single reasonably-informed Bees fan who doesn't understand and accept the rationale behind this.
Above all, if not Lionel Road, then the only other option would have been to move away from Brentford completely, and not a single Bees fan, "real" or otherwise, would prefer that. |
Is the owner a partner in the flat development? Must be a bit of a tough sell at the moment, given the virus and friction with China...though it might end up as Kai Tak West, complete with passing planes. |  | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 14:07 - Aug 10 with 9014 views | NewBee |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 10:22 - Aug 10 by MrSheen |
Is the owner a partner in the flat development? Must be a bit of a tough sell at the moment, given the virus and friction with China...though it might end up as Kai Tak West, complete with passing planes. |
I don't understand the ins-and-outs of the deal, but I think the broad answer to your question is "No".
Aiui, by proposing a new stadium as a "community asset" and also by consequently making GP available for housing, Benham obtained permission for the developers to build on the adjacent site when they would not normally have done so.
In return, the developers agreed to build the stadium for BFC (we're not a construction company) and hand it over before selling the flats and bulldozing GP etc.
And on the basis that developers aren't charities (understatement!), although they're building the stadium, BFC still have to pay for it themselves up front.
Thereafter, Benham might get some or all of his money back from the sale of the flats, but only AFTER the developers have received their projected profit margin first and only if the flats achieve top dollar prices.
(Had BFC not agreed to such an arrangement, the developers would simply have looked to some other site to build flats - it doesn't matter to them where. Whereas BFC had no such alternative)
So it all depends on the state of the property market over the next year or two, as you say.
Which probably means Benham will be carrying the thick end of the cost of the stadium. But he will have calculated the risks better than any of us, and he's both willing and able to sustain it. [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 14:10]
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| this might put a smile on our faces on 15:24 - Aug 10 with 8935 views | BostonR |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 14:07 - Aug 10 by NewBee |
I don't understand the ins-and-outs of the deal, but I think the broad answer to your question is "No".
Aiui, by proposing a new stadium as a "community asset" and also by consequently making GP available for housing, Benham obtained permission for the developers to build on the adjacent site when they would not normally have done so.
In return, the developers agreed to build the stadium for BFC (we're not a construction company) and hand it over before selling the flats and bulldozing GP etc.
And on the basis that developers aren't charities (understatement!), although they're building the stadium, BFC still have to pay for it themselves up front.
Thereafter, Benham might get some or all of his money back from the sale of the flats, but only AFTER the developers have received their projected profit margin first and only if the flats achieve top dollar prices.
(Had BFC not agreed to such an arrangement, the developers would simply have looked to some other site to build flats - it doesn't matter to them where. Whereas BFC had no such alternative)
So it all depends on the state of the property market over the next year or two, as you say.
Which probably means Benham will be carrying the thick end of the cost of the stadium. But he will have calculated the risks better than any of us, and he's both willing and able to sustain it. [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 14:10]
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Having worked in the real-estate re-investment market I would imagine your owner is currently shiting in his pants! As long as he is in it for the long-term and has plenty of cash you should be ok.
I don’t know the expected yields on this deal but I would expect a deal was set an agreed price. If that is delayed or moved downwards I would expect the lawyers to pile in. He sounds like a savvy owner but investors with deeper pockets are running for cover. Your upside is that you have recently sold players at high prices so selling a few will help. Football is about to find out whether those tried and trusted owners are what they say. Interesting times. |  | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 16:43 - Aug 10 with 8823 views | NewBee |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 15:24 - Aug 10 by BostonR |
Having worked in the real-estate re-investment market I would imagine your owner is currently shiting in his pants! As long as he is in it for the long-term and has plenty of cash you should be ok.
I don’t know the expected yields on this deal but I would expect a deal was set an agreed price. If that is delayed or moved downwards I would expect the lawyers to pile in. He sounds like a savvy owner but investors with deeper pockets are running for cover. Your upside is that you have recently sold players at high prices so selling a few will help. Football is about to find out whether those tried and trusted owners are what they say. Interesting times. |
I'm sure you're right in what you say, but all the indications are that Benham knows (a ) how much is at stake, up to and including the total cost of the stadium falling to him; (b ) he's good for the money; and (c ) he's quite willing to bear it.
Moreover, about three(?) years ago he was open to other investors coming on board and held talks with a Chinese consortium which was very keen. In the end it got nowhere, since they wanted a controling stake - I think they ended up buying into Barnsley instead.
Anyhow, the fact that he was able to turn them away, plus the fact that he has been quoted as saying he wants to pass the club on to his teenaged son, demonstrates that he's in it for the long haul. | | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 16:56 - Aug 10 with 8800 views | LongsufferingR |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 16:43 - Aug 10 by NewBee |
I'm sure you're right in what you say, but all the indications are that Benham knows (a ) how much is at stake, up to and including the total cost of the stadium falling to him; (b ) he's good for the money; and (c ) he's quite willing to bear it.
Moreover, about three(?) years ago he was open to other investors coming on board and held talks with a Chinese consortium which was very keen. In the end it got nowhere, since they wanted a controling stake - I think they ended up buying into Barnsley instead.
Anyhow, the fact that he was able to turn them away, plus the fact that he has been quoted as saying he wants to pass the club on to his teenaged son, demonstrates that he's in it for the long haul. |
....but what does his teenage son have to say about that? | | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 17:03 - Aug 10 with 8778 views | NewBee |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 16:56 - Aug 10 by LongsufferingR |
....but what does his teenage son have to say about that? |
Er, "Thanks, Dad"? | | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 17:06 - Aug 10 with 8766 views | LongsufferingR |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 17:03 - Aug 10 by NewBee |
Er, "Thanks, Dad"? |
But if his heart's not in it, or he doesn't have the same business sense as MB, it could spell trouble. Dave Whelan passed Wigan over to his grandson and that didn't go well. | | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 17:29 - Aug 10 with 8727 views | NewBee |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 17:06 - Aug 10 by LongsufferingR |
But if his heart's not in it, or he doesn't have the same business sense as MB, it could spell trouble. Dave Whelan passed Wigan over to his grandson and that didn't go well. |
His son goes to games with him, if that counts for anything.
In any case, with Benham himself only being around 50, no-one need worry about any of that for another decade or two.
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| this might put a smile on our faces on 18:39 - Aug 10 with 8645 views | switchingcode |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 15:24 - Aug 10 by BostonR |
Having worked in the real-estate re-investment market I would imagine your owner is currently shiting in his pants! As long as he is in it for the long-term and has plenty of cash you should be ok.
I don’t know the expected yields on this deal but I would expect a deal was set an agreed price. If that is delayed or moved downwards I would expect the lawyers to pile in. He sounds like a savvy owner but investors with deeper pockets are running for cover. Your upside is that you have recently sold players at high prices so selling a few will help. Football is about to find out whether those tried and trusted owners are what they say. Interesting times. |
Could be worse though you could have majority share holder of your club who’s airline company's auditors Earnest &young expressed doubts about it’s ability to continue as a going concern.Id be very concerned even though I’ve never worked in the airline industry.For your information the real estate part of the business is in the hands of the developer as far as Profit/loss goes doesn’t effect our club. | | | |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 18:52 - Aug 10 with 8631 views | francisbowles |
| this might put a smile on our faces on 18:39 - Aug 10 by switchingcode |
Could be worse though you could have majority share holder of your club who’s airline company's auditors Earnest &young expressed doubts about it’s ability to continue as a going concern.Id be very concerned even though I’ve never worked in the airline industry.For your information the real estate part of the business is in the hands of the developer as far as Profit/loss goes doesn’t effect our club. |
If your referring to Tony Fernandes he isn't the majority shareholder in our club. | | | |
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