| McClaren gone - official (n/t) (n/t) on 14:21 - Apr 1 with 2911 views | Mick_S |
| McClaren gone - official (n/t) (n/t) on 14:21 - Apr 1 by TheChef |
How do betting companies approach this, do they just ask the intern to write down the first five managers they can think of?
Steve Evans?? Jesus wept. |
Definitely get the new manager bounce there. |  |
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| McClaren gone - official on 14:24 - Apr 1 with 2887 views | Mick_S |
| McClaren gone - official on 14:20 - Apr 1 by CamberleyR |
Already suggested him on another thread and got a typically arrogant response from that patronising git rsonist. |
Any idea what Warburton has been up to lately, Cambers? | |
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| McClaren gone - official on 14:25 - Apr 1 with 2864 views | BrianMcCarthy |
If McClaren was talking to the owners about Holloway's job while he was in it, then Holloway's dead right.
It's a disgraceful thing to do to another human being that's too often deemed acceptable in football. |  |
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| McClaren gone - official on 14:27 - Apr 1 with 2840 views | Northernr |
| McClaren gone - official on 14:25 - Apr 1 by BrianMcCarthy |
If McClaren was talking to the owners about Holloway's job while he was in it, then Holloway's dead right.
It's a disgraceful thing to do to another human being that's too often deemed acceptable in football. |
We knew that anyway. Fulham away last season, McClaren was the studio guest, basically treated it like a you would a job interview, showing how much he knew about all the QPR players. He was in line for it weeks, months even, before he got it. |  | | |
| McClaren gone - official on 14:29 - Apr 1 with 2822 views | NW5Hoop |
When people talk about what Ferdinand does, there seems to be the assumption that he just oversees the first team. Surely he oversees all football operations? And at the levels below the first team —Â the bits the board don't get involved in —Â things are good. The age-group teams are doing very well; we're developing young players for the first time in a couple of generations.
I don't know the inside track at all. But clearly the strategy for the entire club is starting to pay off. The question is: why hasn't that been reflected in the first team yet? First, time — only over the past couple of years have we started to see the first fruits of that strategy come through. But maybe the second is because the director of football is having his influence on the first team held back by the board and their managerial appointees.
I don't know. I don't have an inside track. But do bear in mind that a large chunk of what Ferdinand is doing is very successful. |  | | |
| McClaren gone - official on 14:30 - Apr 1 with 2810 views | paulparker |
| McClaren gone - official on 11:57 - Apr 1 by Antti_Heinola |
It's not 'Eustace in charge til the end of the season' which suggests appointment will come fairly quickly. If it's a permanent one, will be shocked if it's not Ainsworth, Jackett or Rowett. |
Rowett please god no
If it is him that’s me done until this board goes |  |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| McClaren gone - official on 14:31 - Apr 1 with 2804 views | CamberleyR |
| McClaren gone - official on 14:24 - Apr 1 by Mick_S |
Any idea what Warburton has been up to lately, Cambers? |
Not a lot it seems since Forest. He probably thinks he's got unfinished business though in the Championship. |  |
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| McClaren gone - official on 14:32 - Apr 1 with 2791 views | aston_hoop |
| McClaren gone - official on 14:31 - Apr 1 by CamberleyR |
Not a lot it seems since Forest. He probably thinks he's got unfinished business though in the Championship. |
Was a studio guest on Sky Sports the other day, thats usually a sign that someone wants a job isn´t it? |  |
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| McClaren gone - official on 14:33 - Apr 1 with 2770 views | TheChef |
| McClaren gone - official on 14:20 - Apr 1 by CamberleyR |
Already suggested him on another thread and got a typically arrogant response from that patronising git rsonist. |
I demand my patronising response from them as well then.
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| McClaren gone - official on 14:33 - Apr 1 with 2769 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| McClaren gone - official on 14:27 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
We knew that anyway. Fulham away last season, McClaren was the studio guest, basically treated it like a you would a job interview, showing how much he knew about all the QPR players. He was in line for it weeks, months even, before he got it. |
Ya, I remember. I'm being careful with my wording by saying "if"!
I said earlier that he seems an honourable man. I'd forgotten about that. It reflects very poorly on him. | |
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| McClaren gone - official on 14:35 - Apr 1 with 2742 views | Toast_R |
Steve McClaren, botched this one too. Won 2 FA Cup matches and beat Forest away, he couldnt even get that right... |  | | |
| McClaren gone - official on 14:39 - Apr 1 with 2681 views | Rs_Holy |
cant argue with any of that....
Look at the team that played against Birmingham (and won 3-1) last home game of last season... Full of young players and very entertaining football. |  | | |
| McClaren gone - official (n/t) (n/t) on 14:44 - Apr 1 with 2627 views | FDC |
| McClaren gone - official (n/t) (n/t) on 14:12 - Apr 1 by aston_hoop |
Next QPR manager:
Tim Sherwood — 4/6
Karl Robinson — 5/2
Steve Cotterill — 6/1
Nigel Pearson — 12/1
Steve Evans — 16/1
Sam Allardyce — 20/1
Great... [Post edited 1 Apr 2019 14:15]
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Like most on here I'm absolutely not a fan of Sherwood, in fact I think he's a tit. But I make Dave Mc right here, the next appointment has to be LF's choice and if that's Sherwood then so be it.
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| McClaren gone - official (n/t) (n/t) on 14:46 - Apr 1 with 2579 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| McClaren gone - official (n/t) (n/t) on 14:44 - Apr 1 by FDC |
Like most on here I'm absolutely not a fan of Sherwood, in fact I think he's a tit. But I make Dave Mc right here, the next appointment has to be LF's choice and if that's Sherwood then so be it.
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LF wanted CR and JFH and did not want NW back
How did they go... [Post edited 1 Apr 2019 14:48]
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| McClaren gone - official on 14:48 - Apr 1 with 2576 views | loftus77 |
The annoying thing about Steve’s departure is that it’s all about fine margins, isn’t it?
OK the performances have been dire since Christmas but if we had somehow gleaned just 4/5 more pts and been on 48/49 pts with Brentford right now, would Steve have been sacked? I think not.
That’s why the Bolton and Rotherham games were so crucial and it proves that this was not part of a careful plan prepared and finalised in the International Break.
The Board have snapped, taken a knee-jerk decision that we can’t ‘rely on Rotherham’, and concluded we could easily go down in May. And with these recent results you can’t argue against this. But it’s a real shame, because the stability has gone out the window again.
Someone mentioned what Ipswich did to Mick McCarthy this time last year (?) and I shudder with the comparison. [Post edited 1 Apr 2019 14:49]
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| McClaren gone - official on 15:02 - Apr 1 with 2470 views | Northernr |
| McClaren gone - official on 14:29 - Apr 1 by NW5Hoop |
When people talk about what Ferdinand does, there seems to be the assumption that he just oversees the first team. Surely he oversees all football operations? And at the levels below the first team —Â the bits the board don't get involved in —Â things are good. The age-group teams are doing very well; we're developing young players for the first time in a couple of generations.
I don't know the inside track at all. But clearly the strategy for the entire club is starting to pay off. The question is: why hasn't that been reflected in the first team yet? First, time — only over the past couple of years have we started to see the first fruits of that strategy come through. But maybe the second is because the director of football is having his influence on the first team held back by the board and their managerial appointees.
I don't know. I don't have an inside track. But do bear in mind that a large chunk of what Ferdinand is doing is very successful. |
Ferdinand and Hoos run the club day to day, Hoos the money side, Ferdinand the football side. But the people with the power and the money are above them, and they're not hands off. If they say we're sacking this manager and appointing this one, that's what happens, or at least has in the last two instances.
The problem with that is those running the club can pursue a strategy - buy from lower leagues for example, buy from Europe for example, promote the kids for example - but if you have a bad run of results or people start screaming the place down on twitter then the people above you can come in and sack a manager you perhaps don't want sacked and appoint a manager that you perhaps don't want, and/or who doesn't fit with the strategy you're trying to pursue.
Whatever they say about how the transfer window has changed the loan market, players available cheaper on loan at the end of August, needed experienced quality players, that was absolutely not the strategy at the start of August and it was not the remit McClaren was brought in on. It was a panic and a return to us ignoring long term plans and strategy in favour of a short term fix demanded by a manager desperate to keep his job. And that's not hindsight either, read my Wigan match preview.
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| McClaren gone - official on 15:43 - Apr 1 with 2236 views | kropotkin41 |
F*ck F*ck f*ck f*ck.......... this is even more depressing than the form since Christmas.
I take it this isn't the April Fool's Day thread then........ |  |
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| McClaren gone - official on 15:43 - Apr 1 with 2233 views | DannyPaddox |
McLaren was sent to us by God to win at Forest. The mission accomplished he should've been sacked on Christmas Day. |  | | |
| McClaren gone - official on 15:54 - Apr 1 with 2158 views | rsonist |
| McClaren gone - official on 15:02 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
Ferdinand and Hoos run the club day to day, Hoos the money side, Ferdinand the football side. But the people with the power and the money are above them, and they're not hands off. If they say we're sacking this manager and appointing this one, that's what happens, or at least has in the last two instances.
The problem with that is those running the club can pursue a strategy - buy from lower leagues for example, buy from Europe for example, promote the kids for example - but if you have a bad run of results or people start screaming the place down on twitter then the people above you can come in and sack a manager you perhaps don't want sacked and appoint a manager that you perhaps don't want, and/or who doesn't fit with the strategy you're trying to pursue.
Whatever they say about how the transfer window has changed the loan market, players available cheaper on loan at the end of August, needed experienced quality players, that was absolutely not the strategy at the start of August and it was not the remit McClaren was brought in on. It was a panic and a return to us ignoring long term plans and strategy in favour of a short term fix demanded by a manager desperate to keep his job. And that's not hindsight either, read my Wigan match preview.
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Didn't the start we have necessitate a compromise in strategy? And didn't the consequent upturn in results vindicate that?
It doesn't make sense to me how introducing additional experience into the team is being presented as a flailing panic abandonment of strategy/values or that McClaren betrayed his remit. (Once he started messing around with Eze and sidelining Bright, then yes sure, knives out). All of these vehement takes negate the fact that emphases change according to context and that everything ultimately is usually things coming down on the wrong side of fine lines drawn as best they could.
"A difference of opinion on how to run the team between them" as Antti puts it is hardly unusual even in productive outfits (see Spurs for instance) and it's hard to see how what's happened this season can be boiled down to something as simple as that. |  | | |
| McClaren gone - official on 16:03 - Apr 1 with 2101 views | derbyhoop |
You can't argue with the results since the turn of the year. OK, there were extenuating circumstances, but when you are losing at home to Rotherham and Bolton, then no manager is going to survive that. And, SM seemed incapable of reversing the situation.
Eustace is going to be left carrying the can until the end of the season. Let's hope we can scramble another 4-5 points in that time.
But, as things currently stand, I'd have a lot of money on us to get relegated next year.
As to a replacement, Ainsworth has to be the popular and quite a sound choice. But, 6 months at Loftus Road could end his managerial career and he doesn't deserve that. Whoever comes in is going to have one hell of a job. Parachute payments ending, 3 loanees going back, including our top scorer. Freeman, our most creative player, likely to be sold - if only to balance the books. All of the senior defenders, bar Leistner out of contract. And next to no money to fund replacements. |  |
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| Times saying SM could go this week... on 16:06 - Apr 1 with 2086 views | rsonist |
| Times saying SM could go this week... on 13:02 - Apr 1 by WestbourneR |
I’m with Northern - what an irritating post.
You’re doubting the credibility of what he says but haven’t nothing to back it up... except your own assumptions.
So you’re basically accusing him of doing something, without foundation, that you’ve actually just done yourself.
Northern puts blood sweat and tears into being accurate and avoiding conjecture. His track record speaks for itself.
What have you got?
It’s this kind b*ll*cks that brought us Brexit. What a nob |
Lol you what?
Northern's made definitive clear-cut assertions which are either conjecture (however educated) or founded on evidence we are not privy to. I'm not claiming a single thing I've said is anything other than interpretation - the onus isn't on me to back anything up.
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| McClaren gone - official on 16:13 - Apr 1 with 2047 views | TacticalR |
Not Northernr producing fake news again?? |  |
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| McClaren gone - official on 16:18 - Apr 1 with 2024 views | oldmisery |
| McClaren gone - official on 16:03 - Apr 1 by derbyhoop |
You can't argue with the results since the turn of the year. OK, there were extenuating circumstances, but when you are losing at home to Rotherham and Bolton, then no manager is going to survive that. And, SM seemed incapable of reversing the situation.
Eustace is going to be left carrying the can until the end of the season. Let's hope we can scramble another 4-5 points in that time.
But, as things currently stand, I'd have a lot of money on us to get relegated next year.
As to a replacement, Ainsworth has to be the popular and quite a sound choice. But, 6 months at Loftus Road could end his managerial career and he doesn't deserve that. Whoever comes in is going to have one hell of a job. Parachute payments ending, 3 loanees going back, including our top scorer. Freeman, our most creative player, likely to be sold - if only to balance the books. All of the senior defenders, bar Leistner out of contract. And next to no money to fund replacements. |
If you believe the media/bookies though Eustace will only have the one game in charge as we will probably be making an appointment within the next week AND SHERWOOD IS THE HOT FAVOURITE!
Well, I haven't renewed my season ticket yet and if they do appoint that egomaniac, I probably won't.
Surely Fernandes and his merry men would undertake a considered recruitment process for managerial posts in their day jobs so why would the club leak such information to the press within hours of 'Supermac's' departure? It's just the same old managerial merry-go-round featuring the same tired old names who have consistently failed elsewhere. Jesus, Mary and Joseph will we never do things in a proper, business-like manner? | | | |
| McClaren gone - official (n/t) (n/t) on 16:18 - Apr 1 with 2024 views | NW5Hoop |
| McClaren gone - official (n/t) (n/t) on 14:46 - Apr 1 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
LF wanted CR and JFH and did not want NW back
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Ramsey was only appointed after Fernandes had already announced he was appointing his "dream manager". And then failed to secure Clement. So he was being put into a job he knew the chairman didn't want him for as a last-ditch "Errr, there's no one else left" move. He did no worse than any other QPR manager of recent times and got a shedload of abuse for it, some of it racist, including being jeered for substitutions that got us a 3-0 win against MK Dons.
Warnock, if you recall, announced that he would be happy to be QPR's director of football. I'm not surprised Ferdinand didn't want him back if it meant leaving his own job. Great as the job Warnock did first time round was, he wasn't going to be able to do it all over again at a club where he couldn't buy players. Don't forget how many people he brought in before or during that promotion season: Kenny, Hill, Orr, Walker (loan fee), Derry, Taarabt, Smith, Mackie, Vaagen Moen, Hulse … it was not cheap. He spent plenty of money. [Post edited 1 Apr 2019 18:32]
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| McClaren gone - official on 16:21 - Apr 1 with 2004 views | qprd |
Holloway's response is why he's no longer manager. classless, uncalled for and undisciplined
david mcintyre tweeted somethign to the effect that the board didnt like having a child at the wheel. brentford comments, his millwall antics... there's a reason he got the sack | | | |
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