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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 09:59 - Mar 17 by perchrockjack |
Powerful stuff that will lead to a rebuke Id suggest.
Its turned out Gomis has been a poor acquisition and our wide men are truly hopeless at crossing. It has to be the reason why Monk has chosen his formation as we have limited players.
The criticism I have is relying on simply one striker to do the job.
Harking back, Routledge ,lauded by some, to me is absolutely anonymous and his long term contract was a poor decision. Dyer is shot and MONTERO has no end product so plenty to work on over the summer. These are our problems
Cork has been a triffic buy as has Naughton and FAB so not all bad |
Dyer is off form. Routs has been off form but did well IMHO last night and looks like he is getting back to his best. Montero consistently turns his markers inside out when given the chance of decent game time and he will get crosses in that count - as he has done already. I would not write these players off.
I agree Cork is immense and Fab And Kyle are excellent signings. |  |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 10:12 - Mar 17 with 1759 views | JackSomething |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 09:59 - Mar 17 by perchrockjack |
Powerful stuff that will lead to a rebuke Id suggest.
Its turned out Gomis has been a poor acquisition and our wide men are truly hopeless at crossing. It has to be the reason why Monk has chosen his formation as we have limited players.
The criticism I have is relying on simply one striker to do the job.
Harking back, Routledge ,lauded by some, to me is absolutely anonymous and his long term contract was a poor decision. Dyer is shot and MONTERO has no end product so plenty to work on over the summer. These are our problems
Cork has been a triffic buy as has Naughton and FAB so not all bad |
Unfortunately we've had to rely on one striker to do the job since we reached this level.
Graham was backed up by inferior players like Moore and Lita.
Michu (became our striker by default when Graham left) was backed up by Shechter and Moore.
Bony was backed up by Vasquez, N'Gog and Donnelly.
This season seemed to be the first time we finally had two quality strikers. Unfortunately it hasn't worked out. This summer I'd expect to see Gomis leave, with one big-money striker coming in and a younger, cheaper player, possibly on loan.
Agree with you about Naughton, Cork, Dyer and Fabianski, but disagree on Montero and Routledge. Montero is a pure winger and so doesn't really fit in our current formation while Routledge is playing much better recently. He has the versatility to play in the diamond formation. |  |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 10:27 - Mar 17 with 1733 views | perchrockjack |
And welcome back.
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 10:45 - Mar 17 with 1719 views | JackSomething |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 10:27 - Mar 17 by perchrockjack |
And welcome back.
Its been lonesome on here without you |
Cheers Perch. I've been reading regularly, but couldn't be bothered posting considering some of the trolling that's been going on. Seems to have calmed down now thankfully. Perhaps people can actually get back to, you know, enjoying football again. | |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 11:24 - Mar 17 with 1691 views | max936 |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 10:12 - Mar 17 by JackSomething |
Unfortunately we've had to rely on one striker to do the job since we reached this level.
Graham was backed up by inferior players like Moore and Lita.
Michu (became our striker by default when Graham left) was backed up by Shechter and Moore.
Bony was backed up by Vasquez, N'Gog and Donnelly.
This season seemed to be the first time we finally had two quality strikers. Unfortunately it hasn't worked out. This summer I'd expect to see Gomis leave, with one big-money striker coming in and a younger, cheaper player, possibly on loan.
Agree with you about Naughton, Cork, Dyer and Fabianski, but disagree on Montero and Routledge. Montero is a pure winger and so doesn't really fit in our current formation while Routledge is playing much better recently. He has the versatility to play in the diamond formation. |
Spot on about Routs and Montero, might be both classed as wingers, but different players altogether, Montero doesn't have Routs all round game, both could do with working on their end product though, we know Routs has it, but we haven't really seen it from Montero. [Post edited 17 Mar 2015 20:44]
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 12:03 - Mar 17 with 1666 views | monmouth |
Now some of my frustration has left me I'm not so cheesed off. I just think the game was crying out for Montero - or almost any change to get Liverpool guessing again -at 55 minutes. It doesn't matter what Montero actually did when he came on (nobody can see into the future, he could equally have done a 'chambers' on them) we just were getting pumped after they'd worked out and counteracted our first half formation.
I thought Routs made some fantastic runs that never got the ball inside from the wing, and was as neat and tidy as anyone else, so can't understand why he is copping it. Sigurdsson was gash, whether because of 'diamond' or form I don't know, but he was garbage last night and has been for a while...yet seems immune from criticism, hmmm.
We sure as hell need someone to score goals, and I'll be honest, whether it works or not, I just prefer wingers on both sides. I think the diamond is here for the season though.
Anyway, whatever my reservations with the inflexibility of GMs overall approach (and surely we all have some don't we? Or does that make me a 'Monk Hater?), that first half was terrific and, if fortune did favour the brave, instead of favouring the fortunate, we'd have probably been 2-0 at half time. [Post edited 17 Mar 2015 12:09]
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 12:12 - Mar 17 with 1643 views | JackSomething |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 12:03 - Mar 17 by monmouth |
Now some of my frustration has left me I'm not so cheesed off. I just think the game was crying out for Montero - or almost any change to get Liverpool guessing again -at 55 minutes. It doesn't matter what Montero actually did when he came on (nobody can see into the future, he could equally have done a 'chambers' on them) we just were getting pumped after they'd worked out and counteracted our first half formation.
I thought Routs made some fantastic runs that never got the ball inside from the wing, and was as neat and tidy as anyone else, so can't understand why he is copping it. Sigurdsson was gash, whether because of 'diamond' or form I don't know, but he was garbage last night and has been for a while...yet seems immune from criticism, hmmm.
We sure as hell need someone to score goals, and I'll be honest, whether it works or not, I just prefer wingers on both sides. I think the diamond is here for the season though.
Anyway, whatever my reservations with the inflexibility of GMs overall approach (and surely we all have some don't we? Or does that make me a 'Monk Hater?), that first half was terrific and, if fortune did favour the brave, instead of favouring the fortunate, we'd have probably been 2-0 at half time. [Post edited 17 Mar 2015 12:09]
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I don't know if I'd call him inflexible, but he doesn't seem to have confidence in making big changes to tactics in-game.
He's changed things to this diamond formation and that's obviously what they're working on in training. He either doesn't have the confidence in his coaching or in the players' ability to change systems during the match. Bearing in mind his relative inexperience, hopefully this is something that will come with time. | |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 12:17 - Mar 17 with 1630 views | Lord_Bony |
That diamond formation worked a treat in second half last night.Siggy at the front looked dangerous. obviously we can only randomly pull it out of the hat until we are sussed out but more of that please. |  |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 12:18 - Mar 17 with 1632 views | monmouth |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 12:12 - Mar 17 by JackSomething |
I don't know if I'd call him inflexible, but he doesn't seem to have confidence in making big changes to tactics in-game.
He's changed things to this diamond formation and that's obviously what they're working on in training. He either doesn't have the confidence in his coaching or in the players' ability to change systems during the match. Bearing in mind his relative inexperience, hopefully this is something that will come with time. |
It is very easy to forget that he is so green, and on that basis, must be one of the most successful managers ever based on outcome per unit of experience or whatever. | |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 12:20 - Mar 17 with 1623 views | max936 |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 10:12 - Mar 17 by JackSomething |
Unfortunately we've had to rely on one striker to do the job since we reached this level.
Graham was backed up by inferior players like Moore and Lita.
Michu (became our striker by default when Graham left) was backed up by Shechter and Moore.
Bony was backed up by Vasquez, N'Gog and Donnelly.
This season seemed to be the first time we finally had two quality strikers. Unfortunately it hasn't worked out. This summer I'd expect to see Gomis leave, with one big-money striker coming in and a younger, cheaper player, possibly on loan.
Agree with you about Naughton, Cork, Dyer and Fabianski, but disagree on Montero and Routledge. Montero is a pure winger and so doesn't really fit in our current formation while Routledge is playing much better recently. He has the versatility to play in the diamond formation. |
Spot on about Routs and Montero, maybe both classed as wingers, but different players altogether, Montero doesn't have Routs all round game, both could do with working on their end product though, we know Routs has it, but we haven't really seen it from Montero. | |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 12:25 - Mar 17 with 1617 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Why everyone thinks some change by Brendan was what caused problems last night I don't know.
The problem was the old one The Passing, which was really good in the first half went completely AWOL at the beginning of the second. With players continuously giving the ball away in dangerous positions.
Just like they were doing under ML and GM last season.
It looked like they were trying to play the same passes with only half the concentration of the first half.
By far the best passer all game was Shelvey who was continually finding the players in space. | | | |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 12:34 - Mar 17 with 1612 views | JackSomething |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 12:25 - Mar 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Why everyone thinks some change by Brendan was what caused problems last night I don't know.
The problem was the old one The Passing, which was really good in the first half went completely AWOL at the beginning of the second. With players continuously giving the ball away in dangerous positions.
Just like they were doing under ML and GM last season.
It looked like they were trying to play the same passes with only half the concentration of the first half.
By far the best passer all game was Shelvey who was continually finding the players in space. |
Possibly because we all saw Brendan change the team and the results of that change. But just in case the evidence of your own eyes doesn't convince you, here's Brendan praising his own genius in switching tactics for the second half:
http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9763465/Diamond-Is-Brendan-s-Best-Friend.. | |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 13:19 - Mar 17 with 1572 views | ApeShit |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 12:25 - Mar 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Why everyone thinks some change by Brendan was what caused problems last night I don't know.
The problem was the old one The Passing, which was really good in the first half went completely AWOL at the beginning of the second. With players continuously giving the ball away in dangerous positions.
Just like they were doing under ML and GM last season.
It looked like they were trying to play the same passes with only half the concentration of the first half.
By far the best passer all game was Shelvey who was continually finding the players in space. |
Or maybe the extra pressure from Liverpool were causing more of our passes to go astray. |  | | |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 13:28 - Mar 17 with 1566 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 09:51 - Mar 17 by JackSomething |
Let's hear these 'plenty of tactical changes' then. Or are they just empty words with nothing to back them up?
As for nil until midnight, Mignolet had to make two very good saves in the first half, Skrtel cleared Gomis' header off the line and Shelvey's shot from the corner looked like it was on it's way in before the deflection. Meanwhile Liverpool's best chance was a clearance hitting Henderson in his face (which was his best contribution all night. MOM my f*cking arse)
You seem to be getting desperate in your attempts to denigrate Monk. Whatever your feelings on the diamond formation, the first 45 minutes last night was classic Swans. Played through their high pressing tactics with quick passes, then moving the ball forward quickly to take advantage of their midfield being upfield, getting the ball back quickly when it was lost (JJS and Cork excelled at this) and restricting them to long-range efforts.
If we had a striker in form or a bit of luck, we'd have gone in ahead at half-time and who knows? As it was, an experienced manager tweaked his (vastly more expensive and talented) team and neutralised us, while our more inexperienced manager couldn't respond. It's an area where Monk needs to improve and I think he knows it. Doesn't invalidate the first-half performance for any but the one-eyed.
Our January business has effectively replaced Britton and Rangel, both of whom now offer valuable squad cover. Bring in a new left-back and at least one striker in the summer and we're in business. A new winger for Dyer would be nice and if we're sticking with this formation, a better version of Emnes, who can play at the point of the diamond or out wide. Considering the loss of Bony, most journalists and pundits are impressed by how Monk has prevented us from slipping down the league, seems only some of our fans are unconvinced. |
Apart from obviously needing some fresh legs after a very good first-half that took it out of us,it was equally obvious we needed more width in midfield in the second half.
Do you really need me to explain the various ways this could be done?
Equally obvious that Siggy needed to be in the hole if we were going to score from open play (Shelvey was closed down in shooting positions so that left a deflection off Bafe's ample arse as the next most likely).
The first-half was the best for a long time but "classic Swans" is stretching it. |  | | |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 14:02 - Mar 17 with 1537 views | JackSomething |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 13:28 - Mar 17 by WarwickHunt |
Apart from obviously needing some fresh legs after a very good first-half that took it out of us,it was equally obvious we needed more width in midfield in the second half.
Do you really need me to explain the various ways this could be done?
Equally obvious that Siggy needed to be in the hole if we were going to score from open play (Shelvey was closed down in shooting positions so that left a deflection off Bafe's ample arse as the next most likely).
The first-half was the best for a long time but "classic Swans" is stretching it. |
That's more positive than I was expecting from you to be fair. 
I do agree that with Liverpool's change to a diamond formation to match ours, the logical move would have been to change back to our more standard 4-5-1. However, would that have just led to them having as many chances against us as we did against them in the first half? I appreciate we needed to change something as they came out strong in the second half. However, we weathered the early storm and their chances were drying up before they scored a freak goal. Don't think either side could have complained had it finished 0-0. Once they got their goal, they did a very professional job of closing the game out and we never looked like producing a late charge, despite the substitutions.
We could have brought Montero on, moved Routledge onto the other wing and pushed Siggy up behind Gomis. That would have meant sacrificing one of Ki, Cork and Shelvey though, all of whom had great first halves. I think we would still have ended up losing, but appreciate that we're just speculating. We scored a lucky winner against Man United in a worse performance than this, Liverpool scored a lucky winner last night. Sometimes it's just not your day.
The first half was better than many performances under previous managers against this level of opposition (no away goals conceded since 14th December!) and we did everything we've been praised for in recent years, except scoring a goal of course. If Bony was still here, I think we'd have won last night. Sadly Gomis is likely going to go down as one of our biggest transfer flops. I don't think classic Swans is stretching it, but we'll agree to disagree. | |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 14:14 - Mar 17 with 1527 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 14:02 - Mar 17 by JackSomething |
That's more positive than I was expecting from you to be fair.
I do agree that with Liverpool's change to a diamond formation to match ours, the logical move would have been to change back to our more standard 4-5-1. However, would that have just led to them having as many chances against us as we did against them in the first half? I appreciate we needed to change something as they came out strong in the second half. However, we weathered the early storm and their chances were drying up before they scored a freak goal. Don't think either side could have complained had it finished 0-0. Once they got their goal, they did a very professional job of closing the game out and we never looked like producing a late charge, despite the substitutions.
We could have brought Montero on, moved Routledge onto the other wing and pushed Siggy up behind Gomis. That would have meant sacrificing one of Ki, Cork and Shelvey though, all of whom had great first halves. I think we would still have ended up losing, but appreciate that we're just speculating. We scored a lucky winner against Man United in a worse performance than this, Liverpool scored a lucky winner last night. Sometimes it's just not your day.
The first half was better than many performances under previous managers against this level of opposition (no away goals conceded since 14th December!) and we did everything we've been praised for in recent years, except scoring a goal of course. If Bony was still here, I think we'd have won last night. Sadly Gomis is likely going to go down as one of our biggest transfer flops. I don't think classic Swans is stretching it, but we'll agree to disagree. |
Fair enough!
What does my swede is doing nothing when it's obvious we need to change. If it fails then put it down to experience.
Chucking Montero on at the death and hoping for the best isn't in the best long-term interests of anyone, Monk included. | | | |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 14:18 - Mar 17 with 1518 views | perchrockjack |
Montero is enigmatic For me mainly because he has burning pace and only needs to cross decent for a woukd be tap in.
I'm sure he can be worked on.
If he could cut inside and shoot straight he ll be some player.
Just hope season doesn't drift away. | |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 14:21 - Mar 17 with 1519 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 14:14 - Mar 17 by WarwickHunt |
Fair enough!
What does my swede is doing nothing when it's obvious we need to change. If it fails then put it down to experience.
Chucking Montero on at the death and hoping for the best isn't in the best long-term interests of anyone, Monk included. |
For the first time, I realised in that first half what it is that we are trying to achieve (other than get points) in terms of game plan / style. And I liked it!
Not sure we have the players as yet for it (some we do, some need an upgrade / change) but if we can get that to work, plus have the option of the more standard 'wingers' set up for next season, then I look forward to it. | | | |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 14:59 - Mar 17 with 1496 views | Davillin |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 09:11 - Mar 17 by WarwickHunt |
Expecting a player to perform shit miracles two games running when brought on for only 17 minutes is bonkers (has 73 replaced the magical 60 now?). We improved massively when he came on at Spurs, I don't see the logic in keeping him on the bench until it's too late.
There were plenty of tactical changes that could have been made, bringing Montero was just the most obvious.
WTF Siggy is doing out wide is beyond me.
As for scoring a couple in the first half - I think we'd still be nil if the game had gone on until midnight. |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 15:07 - Mar 17 with 1490 views | Davillin |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 12:25 - Mar 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Why everyone thinks some change by Brendan was what caused problems last night I don't know.
The problem was the old one The Passing, which was really good in the first half went completely AWOL at the beginning of the second. With players continuously giving the ball away in dangerous positions.
Just like they were doing under ML and GM last season.
It looked like they were trying to play the same passes with only half the concentration of the first half.
By far the best passer all game was Shelvey who was continually finding the players in space. |
Your last sentence is wishful thinking. In the first half alone, I saw him waste four touches in a row by passing to either an opponent or to no-one. [I wasn't actually recording his passes but informally counted seven wayward passes in total in the first half -- and that without zeroing in on him.] | |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 15:17 - Mar 17 with 1480 views | ApeShit |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 15:07 - Mar 17 by Davillin |
Your last sentence is wishful thinking. In the first half alone, I saw him waste four touches in a row by passing to either an opponent or to no-one. [I wasn't actually recording his passes but informally counted seven wayward passes in total in the first half -- and that without zeroing in on him.] |
You are right, here are the pass completion passes for the match:
Shelvey: 74.2%
Ki: 92.0%
Cork: 91.2%
Quite a significant difference there, however you could argue that Shelvey's pass attempts are attacking where as Cork/Ki tend to play it safe. | | | |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 15:18 - Mar 17 with 1480 views | JackSomething |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 15:07 - Mar 17 by Davillin |
Your last sentence is wishful thinking. In the first half alone, I saw him waste four touches in a row by passing to either an opponent or to no-one. [I wasn't actually recording his passes but informally counted seven wayward passes in total in the first half -- and that without zeroing in on him.] |
He won back possession as many times as he lost it and was superb last night. We all know you have a enormous blind spot when it comes to JJS though Dav. If you can't see he was one of the best players on the pitch last night (for either team), then I'd seriously question your faculties. [Post edited 17 Mar 2015 15:19]
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 15:22 - Mar 17 with 1471 views | JackSomething |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 15:17 - Mar 17 by ApeShit |
You are right, here are the pass completion passes for the match:
Shelvey: 74.2%
Ki: 92.0%
Cork: 91.2%
Quite a significant difference there, however you could argue that Shelvey's pass attempts are attacking where as Cork/Ki tend to play it safe. |
Your last sentence is spot on. It's his role to try things that others won't. He attempts ambitious passes and shoots from distance, so stats are never going to be his friend. Thankfully most of us can see that he's won us points this season with those very attributes.
Having said that, he was too eager at times last night to hit the killer ball, when a few seconds of composure were needed. His increased fitness and work-rate without the ball were good to see though. | |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 15:47 - Mar 17 with 1439 views | Dull1Thomas |
Taylor was a man possessed in the first half and a man dispossessed in the second.
Shelvey was very good in the first half but awful in the second - his pass completion rate is weak and not just because he's trying to be 'creative' and as soon as a couple of passes went astray his head dropped.
Unless there is a medical reason for Montero to playing a few minutes a game I think he'll be leaving in the Summer. Early on in the season he'd smile and acknowledge the support he was getting from the fans in the East - last few appearances - nada!
And Dyer looked like he's had every ounce of confidence has been drained out of him.
IMO as well as strengthening our attack our squad need improving. We only have quality second string players in central defence and right back. | |
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| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 18:44 - Mar 17 with 1391 views | Davillin |
| The Official Swansea City v Liverpool FC Match Day/Night Thread on 15:18 - Mar 17 by JackSomething |
He won back possession as many times as he lost it and was superb last night. We all know you have a enormous blind spot when it comes to JJS though Dav. If you can't see he was one of the best players on the pitch last night (for either team), then I'd seriously question your faculties. [Post edited 17 Mar 2015 15:19]
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Why is it that some PlanetSwans posters have to insult anyone who disagrees with them? [Rhetorical question because I really do know.]
Do I insult you because you can't see his glaring flaws? Do I "question your faculties" because you think he was "one of the best players on the pitch last night"? No, but I do chuckle when I read opinions which fly in the face of reality.
I can't remember a single instance yesterday of him "winning back possession" at all -- let alone as many times as he lost it.
More than once on here I have given purely factual reasons for my opinion [waste of time for some], and not simply exaggerated unsupported opinions. | |
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