| Stevie G 21:57 - Jun 19 with 6242 views | BigKindo |
Had a good run in the England team but very much past his sell by date. Mind you he is not on his own. The defence was shambolic and I don't think I have ever seen Hart make so many positional mistakes from corners. |  | | |  |
| Stevie G on 10:25 - Jun 20 with 1581 views | Mass_Debater |
| Stevie G on 10:24 - Jun 20 by MoonyDale |
No aggression at all, it just gets seriously tiresome when all you hear is how good we are and how our players are world class. We are not world class and have not been for some considerable time. There are certain pundits who should know better, all who are English who drone on about Stevie G, he's the man to sort it out.....Don't worry Stevie G will inspire the lads, he couldn't inspire anyone, did you listen to his press conference a couple of days ago? My god he could put a glass eye to sleep....He's by far not the only one though as stated above by another poster there were at few that should not even be in the squad as they have had their time, they have done nothing but failed. The simple fact that we have the slimmest of chances of still qualifying will give Roy the excuse to stick with the old guard yet again instead of blooding all the young uns....I ask myself this question, are the youngsters in the squad world class or could they become world class in another 4 years....? Would any of them get into the good squads in this tournament? Pessimistic it may be but I just don't see it.....I hope to be proved wrong.. |
I agree with you 100% and think most regular football fans would do too, hence why I queried 'we Englishmen'. |  | | |
| Stevie G on 10:26 - Jun 20 with 1592 views | MoonyDale |
| Stevie G on 09:57 - Jun 20 by 49thseason |
I dont agree that we should "understand our place in world football better" except in the sense of using that understanding to improve things. I personally would not have taken Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard or anyone else that has experienced failure at a previous world cups, I suspect they have failed and realised that their lives have been relatively unaffected by that failure and therefore they have no real fear of failure this time around. Failure is corrosive and we can't seem to break the cycle.
Taking a squad of young players with the potential to be highly competitive in 4 years time would have been my preferred option with the understanding that we did not expect them to progress past the group stage. Our U21s seem to have a reasonable history of relative success but too few seem to progress to the senior squad unlike many other countries that operate a conveyor belt through their junior to senior national squads. |
I completely agree with your point about taking the previous failures to this tournament. But even the new guard are being over hyped already....Will they improve what we have had over the past few years? Let's hope so but let's not build them up to be world class when the case has not been proven.... |  |
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| Stevie G on 10:30 - Jun 20 with 1587 views | funkkk |
| Stevie G on 10:11 - Jun 20 by AtThePeake |
You mean Gary Jones who captained us to our first promotion in over 40 years, top scorer in the season we achieved our joint highest ever finish and has played more times for RAFC than anyone else in history? |
The very same. A good player whose reputation was greatly improved because he visibly 'wanted it'.
What irks me is the suggestion that England players don't care. Hodgson would have to be a complete moron to pick players who fall into that category; his job's at stake!
As an aside David Beckham is England's most capped outfield player but certainly not the best we've ever produced. |  | | |
| Stevie G on 10:37 - Jun 20 with 1576 views | MoonyDale |
| Stevie G on 10:25 - Jun 20 by Mass_Debater |
I agree with you 100% and think most regular football fans would do too, hence why I queried 'we Englishmen'. |
The we Englishmen thing comes from all the so called footballing experts who are deluded in thinking we have a chance in these tournament. In the past four weeks they have been trawled out on TV and radio and have bleated on about how we have what it takes to cope with Italy and smash Uraguay, even as late as half time last night it was still going on...The lads and lasses on the terraces at Dale and at other grounds can see what is going on...Why the hell can't the people who comment on and have played the game? Also if you asked a Jock or a welshman or Ulsterman about our chances they would certainly not be deluded enough to think we had a chance...It seems to be a national England tinted glasses thing with some pundits.....(You can tell it winds me up can't you?) Will the FA show Roy the door? Should they show him the door? Will he pack the side with new young faces? Nah will he hell.... | |
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| Stevie G on 12:21 - Jun 20 with 1514 views | AtThePeake |
| Stevie G on 10:30 - Jun 20 by funkkk |
The very same. A good player whose reputation was greatly improved because he visibly 'wanted it'.
What irks me is the suggestion that England players don't care. Hodgson would have to be a complete moron to pick players who fall into that category; his job's at stake!
As an aside David Beckham is England's most capped outfield player but certainly not the best we've ever produced. |
I don't recall saying Jones was Rochdale's best ever player or Beckham was England's best ever player.
Have you ever seen England players celebrate a win like they did last night? You can see that other team's players visibly want it. You don't see that visible desire to win from England players - which I'd suggest goes some way to explaining why we're going home and they're going through. |  |
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| Stevie G on 12:35 - Jun 20 with 1496 views | rod_leach |
If Rooney could finish like Suarez, we'd have won. |  | | |
| Stevie G on 12:38 - Jun 20 with 1491 views | fitzochris |
| Stevie G on 10:37 - Jun 20 by MoonyDale |
The we Englishmen thing comes from all the so called footballing experts who are deluded in thinking we have a chance in these tournament. In the past four weeks they have been trawled out on TV and radio and have bleated on about how we have what it takes to cope with Italy and smash Uraguay, even as late as half time last night it was still going on...The lads and lasses on the terraces at Dale and at other grounds can see what is going on...Why the hell can't the people who comment on and have played the game? Also if you asked a Jock or a welshman or Ulsterman about our chances they would certainly not be deluded enough to think we had a chance...It seems to be a national England tinted glasses thing with some pundits.....(You can tell it winds me up can't you?) Will the FA show Roy the door? Should they show him the door? Will he pack the side with new young faces? Nah will he hell.... |
From the first whistle, Andy "I have forgotten I'm Irish" Townsend set about dismantling the Uruguay back four, proclaiming how England's attack would run them ragged.
Before the game, Mark "I have forgotten I'm Irish" Lawrenson did likewise.
Tyldesley and Chiles did their level best to dismiss the Uruguayans but for Suarez.
It didn't come to pass and, as usual, it was England's defence that looked the shakiest of the two.
Some of the pundits talk sense - Andros Townsend, Rio Ferdinand and Hoddle to name a few - but, in the main, it is almost as if they have been briefed to be sycophantic to the point of being unreasonable in their belief of England's prowess.
I'm quite sure the England players and management don't thank them for it and the level-headed fans certainly don't.
You wonder what purpose it actually serves. |  |
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| Stevie G on 12:43 - Jun 20 with 1484 views | funkkk |
| Stevie G on 12:21 - Jun 20 by AtThePeake |
I don't recall saying Jones was Rochdale's best ever player or Beckham was England's best ever player.
Have you ever seen England players celebrate a win like they did last night? You can see that other team's players visibly want it. You don't see that visible desire to win from England players - which I'd suggest goes some way to explaining why we're going home and they're going through. |
Indeed not, I was showing that a large number of appearances has zero influence on how I judge a player you obviously felt it was an important point.
I've never once seen England win a tournament game and thought they didn't celebrate hard enough. What a strange thought process! I certainly wouldnt have wanted any over the top celebrations last night even if we had won as progress still wouldn't have been secured. Besides I'm pretty sure there was plenty of celebrations after we beat Sweden in our last tournament. | | | |
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| Stevie G on 12:59 - Jun 20 with 1457 views | fitzochris |
| Stevie G on 12:35 - Jun 20 by rod_leach |
If Rooney could finish like Suarez, we'd have won. |
The same could be said for the tame shots of Sturridge et al, especially given the so-called fallibility of Fernando Muslera.
The other issue was that Arevalo was all over Rooney for most of the game, which he was doubtless asked to do. [Post edited 20 Jun 2014 13:03]
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| Stevie G on 13:41 - Jun 20 with 1401 views | TomRAFC |
We are really short of tackling central midfielders at the moment. Rodwell looked a great prospect but has barely seen the pitch in far too long.
Jack Wilshere is not a central midfielder. He is just physically too weak and gets hustled off the ball by any player sensible enough to close him down. | |
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| Stevie G on 14:13 - Jun 20 with 1385 views | widgibob |
| Stevie G on 10:37 - Jun 20 by MoonyDale |
The we Englishmen thing comes from all the so called footballing experts who are deluded in thinking we have a chance in these tournament. In the past four weeks they have been trawled out on TV and radio and have bleated on about how we have what it takes to cope with Italy and smash Uraguay, even as late as half time last night it was still going on...The lads and lasses on the terraces at Dale and at other grounds can see what is going on...Why the hell can't the people who comment on and have played the game? Also if you asked a Jock or a welshman or Ulsterman about our chances they would certainly not be deluded enough to think we had a chance...It seems to be a national England tinted glasses thing with some pundits.....(You can tell it winds me up can't you?) Will the FA show Roy the door? Should they show him the door? Will he pack the side with new young faces? Nah will he hell.... |
It's not just these "experts" who cause all the hype. Before, at half time and even after the game we are bombarded with adverts of players going past eleven killer football robots
flicking up in the air and bycle kicking it in the goal from 60yards out, just to sell limited edition football hair gell. It's just like a McDonald's. You see the advert for a big mc it's about half a foot tall with salad and sauce ouzing out but when you go get one it looks like a blind frogs made it by sitting on it. Your weeweed off and vow never again, then as you leave you see an ad for bacon supreme wonder burger and you. Go "Ooo that looks good" and the circle starts again. All the face painted,car flag sporting, only watch football in the pub so they can shout and drink without actually watching the game belive the adverts more than real life. I'm just talking testicles now |  |
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| Stevie G on 17:57 - Jun 20 with 1313 views | nordenblue |
| Stevie G on 12:35 - Jun 20 by rod_leach |
If Rooney could finish like Suarez, we'd have won. |
If any of our midfield played like Pirlo wed have beat Italy too,the fact is we dont and we didn't.1 opposition player is not the reason for a defeat, collectively we aren't good enough and wont be for the near future | | | |
| Stevie G on 18:59 - Jun 20 with 1288 views | D_Alien |
| Stevie G on 12:35 - Jun 20 by rod_leach |
If Rooney could finish like Suarez, we'd have won. |
If Rooney could finish like Rooney, we'd have won |  |
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| Stevie G on 19:42 - Jun 20 with 1260 views | SuddenLad |
| Stevie G on 18:59 - Jun 20 by D_Alien |
If Rooney could finish like Rooney, we'd have won |
Rooney DID finish like Rooney. From 3 yards but not often enough. |  |
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| Stevie G on 20:05 - Jun 20 with 1224 views | KenBoon |
The biggest problem now is Dyke and his idiotic plans. This farce gives him excuses to damage the Football clubs that are still Football clubs and pander to the Brands at the top of the pyramid, who care nothing for the National team. I include England in those Brands too. The FA need a half-decent England team to pay for Wembley.
Dyke was one of the architects of the Premier League. 22 years later he's making it even more powerful, whilst it continues to under invest in English Football. The biggest scandal in our game is how we can have a top division which creates so much money, yet most of the clubs are in debt, the clubs below receive next to nothing and most of the clubs are businessmen's play things or tax write-offs.
If he wants to solve the problem then it's simple. A strict over-seas rule for Youth academies in 4 years and First teams in 8 years (4 in the entire Squad). It gives our rich clubs and rich Premier League plenty of time to invest heavily in making World Class local Footballers, rather than importing any half-decent footballer. |  | | |
| Stevie G on 09:56 - Jun 21 with 1160 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Stevie G on 23:25 - Jun 19 by AtThePeake |
Suarez's character, for all it's shortcomings, is the character of a winner. He wanted to win that game more than all of England's players combined. |
That's one of the problems though. We keep on going on about character, passion and/or pride. What won it was Suarez's excellent reading of the game and finishing and what lost it was that we didn't have that level of ability in our ranks.
If Suarez did any briefing to his Uruguay team mates it will be that Gerrard will give the ball away in tight situations. The Italians picked up on this as well.
I'd also love to know when Superman has single handedly got England out of the shite? His game for England has been precisely part of the problem.
I don't want Superman running around at 100 miles a fookin hour to the delight of people dressed in St George's outfits shouting "come on" in an ever so passionate way, I just want someone who doesn't give the ball away in their own half please. [Post edited 21 Jun 2014 9:57]
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| Stevie G on 11:57 - Jun 21 with 1122 views | macro |
England have done exactly as expected, played poorly and basically been outclassed. I couldn't see the positives from the Italy game, we matched the Italians for a while but didn't have enough noise or skill. Fully expect Costa Rica to win on Tuesday.
Gerard is past it, jagielka, Henderson and wellbeck aren't good enough and woy bless him is out of touch tactically. There's a glimmer of hope for 2016 but i don't expect us to be good enough then either. |  | | |
| Stevie G on 12:00 - Jun 21 with 1121 views | downunder |
| Stevie G on 20:05 - Jun 20 by KenBoon |
The biggest problem now is Dyke and his idiotic plans. This farce gives him excuses to damage the Football clubs that are still Football clubs and pander to the Brands at the top of the pyramid, who care nothing for the National team. I include England in those Brands too. The FA need a half-decent England team to pay for Wembley.
Dyke was one of the architects of the Premier League. 22 years later he's making it even more powerful, whilst it continues to under invest in English Football. The biggest scandal in our game is how we can have a top division which creates so much money, yet most of the clubs are in debt, the clubs below receive next to nothing and most of the clubs are businessmen's play things or tax write-offs.
If he wants to solve the problem then it's simple. A strict over-seas rule for Youth academies in 4 years and First teams in 8 years (4 in the entire Squad). It gives our rich clubs and rich Premier League plenty of time to invest heavily in making World Class local Footballers, rather than importing any half-decent footballer. |
Bang on Boony. There are signs of a few players getting the technique and skill levels required, but until ALL players have the skill and technique, we will continue to be second rate. Attitude, will to win etc. will come with confidence in ability, and ability in depth. With the imports, not enough players get the chance to play against the best. You could blame the governments of the past...Money talks, and not many UK people have the money. |  | | |
| Stevie G on 23:32 - Jun 21 with 1023 views | modelboydave |
Some interesting thoughts on here but in this country we like to find a scapegoat. So a few observations
A. Gerard was at fault for both goals. The first goal came after Gerard didn't win the ball in midfield , 4 other phases of play followed before JAGIELKA let Suarez run off him and score. All the pundits agreed the Everton man was at fault.
B. The second goal. Gerrards mistimes a header and flicks it backwards. For some reason known only to them, Cahill and JAGIELKA had gone to sleep and let Suarez get in the behind them. Awful defending in no way Gerrards fault. The type of park defending you see on a Sunday morning. Again the defenders at fault.
As someone who watches england in the flesh Gerrard always receives the biggest cheer. You don't realize watching a game on TV the running he does ( or did) He's normally englands man of the season every year. He has been immense.....but that's the past.
As for now he is still out best crosser of the ball and best dead ball deliverer. The problem for Gerrard is that he is judged on the Gerrard of 2006. But his role has changed. He is not that player any more.
I'm sure he will retire at the end of this World Cup and people will only realize how good he still is when he is gone.
I would be fascinated to see how many goals Gerrard has created for england in the last 5 years. |  |
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| Stevie G on 05:48 - Jun 22 with 991 views | firgrovedale51 |
| Stevie G on 23:32 - Jun 21 by modelboydave |
Some interesting thoughts on here but in this country we like to find a scapegoat. So a few observations
A. Gerard was at fault for both goals. The first goal came after Gerard didn't win the ball in midfield , 4 other phases of play followed before JAGIELKA let Suarez run off him and score. All the pundits agreed the Everton man was at fault.
B. The second goal. Gerrards mistimes a header and flicks it backwards. For some reason known only to them, Cahill and JAGIELKA had gone to sleep and let Suarez get in the behind them. Awful defending in no way Gerrards fault. The type of park defending you see on a Sunday morning. Again the defenders at fault.
As someone who watches england in the flesh Gerrard always receives the biggest cheer. You don't realize watching a game on TV the running he does ( or did) He's normally englands man of the season every year. He has been immense.....but that's the past.
As for now he is still out best crosser of the ball and best dead ball deliverer. The problem for Gerrard is that he is judged on the Gerrard of 2006. But his role has changed. He is not that player any more.
I'm sure he will retire at the end of this World Cup and people will only realize how good he still is when he is gone.
I would be fascinated to see how many goals Gerrard has created for england in the last 5 years. |
Best post on here.
At last someone who watches all of the game not just a ball watcher , the header Gerrard just got to should have been a defensive header , so where was the defence?
Answer is they were sleeping which is why Suarez got the run on them.
In that game Jagielka and especially Cahill were very poor. | | | |
| Stevie G on 09:53 - Jun 22 with 954 views | BigKindo |
| Stevie G on 11:57 - Jun 21 by macro |
England have done exactly as expected, played poorly and basically been outclassed. I couldn't see the positives from the Italy game, we matched the Italians for a while but didn't have enough noise or skill. Fully expect Costa Rica to win on Tuesday.
Gerard is past it, jagielka, Henderson and wellbeck aren't good enough and woy bless him is out of touch tactically. There's a glimmer of hope for 2016 but i don't expect us to be good enough then either. |
........ and Woy wants Stevie to be around until after the Euros in 2016. | | | |
| Stevie G on 10:24 - Jun 22 with 938 views | Daley_Lama |
| Stevie G on 09:53 - Jun 22 by BigKindo |
........ and Woy wants Stevie to be around until after the Euros in 2016. |
England won the Euro under 17s a month ago, the future is bright if we get the B Team division. |  |
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| Stevie G on 11:02 - Jun 22 with 909 views | midlandsdale |
Rooney try as he does, just isn't good enough. Over rated for sure. Gerard has been a great player in the past but again no longer up to the standard. This could be said of a few others too especially in defence.
Key issue as many have said is who do you replace them with. It's ok having a go at the manager but as has often been said it's a thankless job. We have tried the best of our own and some good foreign coaches. All with the result. |  | | |
| Stevie G on 11:20 - Jun 22 with 891 views | MoonyDale |
| Stevie G on 05:48 - Jun 22 by firgrovedale51 |
Best post on here.
At last someone who watches all of the game not just a ball watcher , the header Gerrard just got to should have been a defensive header , so where was the defence?
Answer is they were sleeping which is why Suarez got the run on them.
In that game Jagielka and especially Cahill were very poor. |
Ahh so I take it that all of us who state that Stevie G is past his best and needs to retire are ball watchers whilst you who "Watches the game" Know the real truth that SG is still the dogs nuts? In the words of Georgie D that is utter dog shite.... | |
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