| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor 23:05 - Jan 21 with 7593 views | smuttsontour |
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| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 08:44 - Jan 22 with 2080 views | londonscottish |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 00:24 - Jan 22 by Northernr |
I actually think it's completely the opposite way around - waaaaaay too confident in his own ability, body can't cash the cheques his mind writes. Just needs to keep it simple and build from there. |
I was watching his 1st half performance against Watford. In six attempts he put it out of play five times and passed it to the opposition the other time. All in the space of a few minutes.
In the second half he'd calmed right down - I presume Marti had had a word with him. |  |
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| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 08:48 - Jan 22 with 2041 views | TK1 |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 08:22 - Jan 22 by nix |
I agree. The difference being he wasn't a liability.
Ashby really is and in serial matches. I thought when he came on Marti had thought he'd give him some minutes higher up the pitch where he can do less damage to make up for the Leicester catastrophe and rebuild confidence. The main issue with him is he doesn't learn from his mistakes, which is worrying for him. We've all been saying he needs to just focus on doing the basics better, avoid the grandstanding and thereby eliminate the mistakes. If we've all been saying it then sure as hell Marti has too.
But instead he comes on, tries the difficult/dangerous pass again and again, playing us into the same trouble as at Leicester. Luckily Hull has nowhere near the talent Leicester forwards have and didn't punish us. He also shot when he should have passed. Now if you're Illias Chair or Sam Field with a lot of credit in the bank you can get away with it for a game or two. An Academy boy on loan not so much.
I thought Madsen looked like he was making an effort, not actively doing anything wrong and making a decent block and closing people down, which is probably what Marti asked him to do.
I just genuinely can't see us risking Ashby. Unless we need to play him a certain number of minutes to avoid a humungous additional payment (gasp). Whatever I think we won't ask Jamie Reuben to do us any more favours. |
Interesting how we can all see games/players differently. I thought that, yes, Ashby was calamitous in possession. But he was active, involved, did not hide and won two very important free kicks to relieve pressure consequently (the second of which injured him).
Madsen, on the other hand, jogs around without ever engaging a man with the ball unless so close to him as to be unavoidable. We consequently dropped back about 15-20 yards as soon as he came on. He just stands so far off players - the contrast with Morgan is absolutely shocking, and it's clear why Marti swapped the most expensive signing for a Development squad kid. He clearly has excellent technique with the ball, but I cannot see anything else of use in the Championship. He's just not built for it or engaged with the game whatsoever. You can't jog around like that in this league without having something else incredible to offer, which he doesn't as far as I can see. Just a tidy ten yard pass.
I really see Madsen as a much bigger liability. We can muddle through with Ashby at RB from tome to time and he'll always work hard no matter what. Madsen in the middle feels like we're a man down. (But I'm not claiming to be right here, that's just the way it appears to me). | | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 08:49 - Jan 22 with 2038 views | sdm1508 |
He's 23-24 and had about 50 games in total. That tells you everything you need. Time and again people have seen something that they don't like. I don't want him near the first team. Sadly I think he thinks he is a lot better than he is. Maybe coming from a Premiership club or maybe he thinks he has to be exceptional because of that and tries things he shouldn't even be thinking about.
Runs forward when he should keep his position
Stays still when he should overlap.
Always seems to turn and run into trouble by going in field near his own area.
His decision making is terrible and then the execution of the decision is just as bad.
When he came on, I was like 'Oh f**k' Then for about 30 seconds I thought, 'Ok he is playing furthur forward, his pace might help' Then he got the ball and I was worried we were going to lose | | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 08:56 - Jan 22 with 1971 views | Dono77 |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 08:49 - Jan 22 by sdm1508 |
He's 23-24 and had about 50 games in total. That tells you everything you need. Time and again people have seen something that they don't like. I don't want him near the first team. Sadly I think he thinks he is a lot better than he is. Maybe coming from a Premiership club or maybe he thinks he has to be exceptional because of that and tries things he shouldn't even be thinking about.
Runs forward when he should keep his position
Stays still when he should overlap.
Always seems to turn and run into trouble by going in field near his own area.
His decision making is terrible and then the execution of the decision is just as bad.
When he came on, I was like 'Oh f**k' Then for about 30 seconds I thought, 'Ok he is playing furthur forward, his pace might help' Then he got the ball and I was worried we were going to lose |
He's just not very good at all. Seems to have this ego about him but no idea why. He's just far too casual. It's like he doesn't care if we win or not. He's no better than kakay was as a defender. He wasn't injured when he came off. He needs to decide if he wants a career or not.
Cut out the crap, listen to your coach and players like cook and fox. Get your head down. Oh and stop wandering around like your the big man. You ain't mate.
Hope he turns it around but I can't see it happening unfortunately. | | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 13:35 - Jan 22 with 1654 views | BrianWilson |
Think some of the criticism has been a bit harsh on Ashby. He was poor but asked to play right side of midfield where everything seemed to go wrong for him. Madsen got in a few blocks and clearances in. |  |
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| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 13:47 - Jan 22 with 1575 views | Loftboy2005 |
Didn’t put a good effort in, giving the ball away every time he got a hold of it, but can we send him back to Newcastles he’s absolutely rubbish | | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 13:48 - Jan 22 with 1570 views | Loftboy2005 |
Didn’t put a good effort in, giving the ball away every time he got a hold of it, but can we send him back to Newcastle he’s absolutely rubbish, defined his worst performance I’ve seen of him so far | | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 13:49 - Jan 22 with 1570 views | Loftboy2005 |
Giving the ball away every time he got a hold of it, but can we send him back to Newcastle he’s absolutely rubbish, definitely his worst performance I’ve seen of him so far | | | |
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| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 14:07 - Jan 22 with 1472 views | nix |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 08:48 - Jan 22 by TK1 |
Interesting how we can all see games/players differently. I thought that, yes, Ashby was calamitous in possession. But he was active, involved, did not hide and won two very important free kicks to relieve pressure consequently (the second of which injured him).
Madsen, on the other hand, jogs around without ever engaging a man with the ball unless so close to him as to be unavoidable. We consequently dropped back about 15-20 yards as soon as he came on. He just stands so far off players - the contrast with Morgan is absolutely shocking, and it's clear why Marti swapped the most expensive signing for a Development squad kid. He clearly has excellent technique with the ball, but I cannot see anything else of use in the Championship. He's just not built for it or engaged with the game whatsoever. You can't jog around like that in this league without having something else incredible to offer, which he doesn't as far as I can see. Just a tidy ten yard pass.
I really see Madsen as a much bigger liability. We can muddle through with Ashby at RB from tome to time and he'll always work hard no matter what. Madsen in the middle feels like we're a man down. (But I'm not claiming to be right here, that's just the way it appears to me). |
Of course it's all opinions and you're obviously entitled to yours. But just one last thing: both players were on for around fifteen minutes. In that time Ashby gave possession up nine times and had a 58% pass rate and gave away a foul. Madsen lost possession once and had an 86% pass completion with no fouls. Ashby touched the ball more often but from memory Madsen covered more in defence.
That's why Ashby is more of a liability to me. |  | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 14:14 - Jan 22 with 1417 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 14:07 - Jan 22 by nix |
Of course it's all opinions and you're obviously entitled to yours. But just one last thing: both players were on for around fifteen minutes. In that time Ashby gave possession up nine times and had a 58% pass rate and gave away a foul. Madsen lost possession once and had an 86% pass completion with no fouls. Ashby touched the ball more often but from memory Madsen covered more in defence.
That's why Ashby is more of a liability to me. |
I agree. Madsen didn't do a lot wrong last night in his brief cameo. However, unlike Ashby, he's ours so that's probably why his ineffective performances since joining grate more. |  | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 14:30 - Jan 22 with 1349 views | nix |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 14:14 - Jan 22 by Benny_the_Ball |
I agree. Madsen didn't do a lot wrong last night in his brief cameo. However, unlike Ashby, he's ours so that's probably why his ineffective performances since joining grate more. |
I think it's the five year contract, yes, and the big transfer fee. It's disappointing. I'm still hoping he'll become more effective. I haven't written him off. With Ashby I don't want him on even as a sub. | | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 14:57 - Jan 22 with 1221 views | tkqpr |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 23:27 - Jan 21 by FredManRave |
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....to wear the shirt! |  | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 15:25 - Jan 22 with 1113 views | quickpassrotter |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 01:32 - Jan 22 by numptydumpty |
He has a lot of confidence for me, but because of this often takes the difficult option when it's not necessary.
He looks the part and has pace but he misses tackles and has a habit of trying the difficult pass that the opposition very often intercept.
He went off due to injury and I think thats why the frustration. |
I think that one of his problems is that he ''wants to look the part''. That often results in him creating problems for himself and the team. He should try and keep it simple but has a tendency to try something a little special - probably to try and demonstrate he's a bit special - which he clearly is not.. He has unfortunately moved from making some poor and unnecessary decisions and mistakes, to being somewhat of a liability.
He needs to be told what to do and what not to do. There is a footballer in there trying to get out but he's making it hard for himself - the team and us guys. |  | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 15:48 - Jan 22 with 1024 views | numptydumpty |
Perhaps Ashby is on a deal that we can extend his loan into a permanent deal at the end of the season.
Inmy opinon the only reason Madsen and Ashby came on in the last game was to give them a confidence boost in a game the manager clearly felt we were in control of.
Ashby does make mistakes and takes too many risks but has also played a few long balls that have opened up defences also, but he definitely needs to be a lot more careful.
The Hollywood ball often doesn't work unless you have the abilities of a Messi, ie it's potentially disastrous, which has happened with Ashby.
However, what does make me think is , that Ashby is picked consistently over Santos whom isn't even on the bench now. As far as we know Santos is the permanent squad member and Ashbys loan deal finishes at the end of the season.
It would not surprise me that Ashbyn could move permanently at the end of the loan as he clearly is nowhere near the first team selections at Newcastle, even as a squad member he would below the level required, for them.
What are we doing with Santos then also. Probably trying to get rid, I would assume.
We need a decent utility left back that can also play on the right side and perhaps move Ashby and Santos on, but maybe they could move one of them on, not both and then perhaps a signing comes in on loan or purchase. [Post edited 22 Jan 15:50]
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| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 15:59 - Jan 22 with 984 views | gazza1 |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 08:48 - Jan 22 by TK1 |
Interesting how we can all see games/players differently. I thought that, yes, Ashby was calamitous in possession. But he was active, involved, did not hide and won two very important free kicks to relieve pressure consequently (the second of which injured him).
Madsen, on the other hand, jogs around without ever engaging a man with the ball unless so close to him as to be unavoidable. We consequently dropped back about 15-20 yards as soon as he came on. He just stands so far off players - the contrast with Morgan is absolutely shocking, and it's clear why Marti swapped the most expensive signing for a Development squad kid. He clearly has excellent technique with the ball, but I cannot see anything else of use in the Championship. He's just not built for it or engaged with the game whatsoever. You can't jog around like that in this league without having something else incredible to offer, which he doesn't as far as I can see. Just a tidy ten yard pass.
I really see Madsen as a much bigger liability. We can muddle through with Ashby at RB from tome to time and he'll always work hard no matter what. Madsen in the middle feels like we're a man down. (But I'm not claiming to be right here, that's just the way it appears to me). |
How many goals has Madsen cost us?? & how many Ashby?? Ashby is doing the basic things wrong & costing us goals.
Madsen needs time, it is very different in midfield where he has played and in the Championship. Last night he did OK when he came on but did no see much of the ball at his feet. | | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 16:43 - Jan 22 with 903 views | sdm1508 |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 13:35 - Jan 22 by BrianWilson |
Think some of the criticism has been a bit harsh on Ashby. He was poor but asked to play right side of midfield where everything seemed to go wrong for him. Madsen got in a few blocks and clearances in. |
I get that but he has been poor wherever he plays. When he was left back, you cut him some slack as not his correct side. This day and age though a professional player should be able to handle that to some degree and know what things to do and not do to deal with that. However he has been poor on the right side too. I can't decide if it is his decision making and execution of those choices or he just thinks he is a lot better than he actually is. Running in field into traffic and then losing the ball, is stupid a couple of times but it is his go to move. Simple passes, half the time not looking up to see an opposition player in the way.
I think some of it is ego to as he can't admit that he isn't as good as he thinks and he just needs to do the basics | | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 16:55 - Jan 22 with 857 views | simmo |
Incredibly overrated, not least by himself, and gets away with a low footballing IQ because of his physical traits. He's fairly pacey, built well for his speed, and is front foot, but he's playing like this role is beneath him, and he knows he will be back in the PL facilities with the other posers soon enough.
Compare him to Alfie Lloyd. Not as talented perhaps, may not have as good a career in the end, and on about 10% of his money - but he has none of the double arm sleeve tattoos or oversized fckin gucci jumpers, and makes the absolute maximum out of his raw attributes by playing like being on that pitch and taking each opportunity is everything to him.
Being subbed as a sub, especially after just 15mins and in extra time when Marti could easily have just let it ride out, is the ultimate embarassment for a player, and he knows it. Take your medicine - preferably back in Newcastle. |  |
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| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 16:58 - Jan 22 with 846 views | R_from_afar |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 08:48 - Jan 22 by TK1 |
Interesting how we can all see games/players differently. I thought that, yes, Ashby was calamitous in possession. But he was active, involved, did not hide and won two very important free kicks to relieve pressure consequently (the second of which injured him).
Madsen, on the other hand, jogs around without ever engaging a man with the ball unless so close to him as to be unavoidable. We consequently dropped back about 15-20 yards as soon as he came on. He just stands so far off players - the contrast with Morgan is absolutely shocking, and it's clear why Marti swapped the most expensive signing for a Development squad kid. He clearly has excellent technique with the ball, but I cannot see anything else of use in the Championship. He's just not built for it or engaged with the game whatsoever. You can't jog around like that in this league without having something else incredible to offer, which he doesn't as far as I can see. Just a tidy ten yard pass.
I really see Madsen as a much bigger liability. We can muddle through with Ashby at RB from tome to time and he'll always work hard no matter what. Madsen in the middle feels like we're a man down. (But I'm not claiming to be right here, that's just the way it appears to me). |
"You can't jog around like that in this league without having something else incredible to offer, which he doesn't as far as I can see".
This is where I am as far as Madsen is concerned. If you play like Taarabt in his pomp, coaches will sometimes let you off if you contribute little when your team is out of possession, although Pep worked hard to make Aguero contribute defensively in spite of the ton of goals he was scoring.
It's odd that we have both a player who is superb at closing down - Smyth - and one who, thus far, is terrible at it, so, Madsen, in the same squad. I still hold out hope that Madsen can be taught to get closer to his man and mark and tackle more effectively. We have seen other members of the squad improve markedly under Marti, so there must be a chance.
As for Ashby, I think he might come good but at the moment, as others have already said, he needs to concentrate on getting the basics right. |  |
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| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 17:22 - Jan 22 with 759 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 16:55 - Jan 22 by simmo |
Incredibly overrated, not least by himself, and gets away with a low footballing IQ because of his physical traits. He's fairly pacey, built well for his speed, and is front foot, but he's playing like this role is beneath him, and he knows he will be back in the PL facilities with the other posers soon enough.
Compare him to Alfie Lloyd. Not as talented perhaps, may not have as good a career in the end, and on about 10% of his money - but he has none of the double arm sleeve tattoos or oversized fckin gucci jumpers, and makes the absolute maximum out of his raw attributes by playing like being on that pitch and taking each opportunity is everything to him.
Being subbed as a sub, especially after just 15mins and in extra time when Marti could easily have just let it ride out, is the ultimate embarassment for a player, and he knows it. Take your medicine - preferably back in Newcastle. |
What a mind reader you are.
You must know Ashby better than he knows himself.
And he was taken off as he was injured. Unless you believe Marti Cifuentes is the kind of manager who thinks it’s good to humiliate his players by subbing them due to performance 17 minutes after he put him on? |  | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 17:29 - Jan 22 with 726 views | Dono77 |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 17:22 - Jan 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
What a mind reader you are.
You must know Ashby better than he knows himself.
And he was taken off as he was injured. Unless you believe Marti Cifuentes is the kind of manager who thinks it’s good to humiliate his players by subbing them due to performance 17 minutes after he put him on? |
I don't think he was injured. If he had to come due to being crap and not doing his job then so be it. We aren't a charity.
He overcomplicated what is a very straightforward position to play. Stick to the basics. If he was that good he wouldn't be here. Hope he turns it around but not sure he has the mentality that morgan has.. | | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 17:39 - Jan 22 with 672 views | numptydumpty |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 17:22 - Jan 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
What a mind reader you are.
You must know Ashby better than he knows himself.
And he was taken off as he was injured. Unless you believe Marti Cifuentes is the kind of manager who thinks it’s good to humiliate his players by subbing them due to performance 17 minutes after he put him on? |
Marti is not from the Ainsworth school of management ie hit them hard if they not good.
Ashby was injured. Was evident. Otherwise no chance he is making that sub so late in the day. | |
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| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 17:45 - Jan 22 with 649 views | Gus_iom |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 17:22 - Jan 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
What a mind reader you are.
You must know Ashby better than he knows himself.
And he was taken off as he was injured. Unless you believe Marti Cifuentes is the kind of manager who thinks it’s good to humiliate his players by subbing them due to performance 17 minutes after he put him on? |
Yeah, unless people are genuinely itk, the attack in his character is totally unwarranted.
Can't fault him on effort. | | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 17:53 - Jan 22 with 614 views | simmo |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 17:22 - Jan 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
What a mind reader you are.
You must know Ashby better than he knows himself.
And he was taken off as he was injured. Unless you believe Marti Cifuentes is the kind of manager who thinks it’s good to humiliate his players by subbing them due to performance 17 minutes after he put him on? |
I don't need to read minds when I have eyes. | |
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| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 18:09 - Jan 22 with 561 views | Paddyhoops |
You win some . You lose some .
Morgan has been a revelation. If he keeps progressing he’ll be worth 3 times what we payed for Madsen .
As for Ashbey . I remember saying to My mate at Half time at the Luton game what a terrible footballer he was and then he had a blinder second half . Strange.
He won’t be back here after the summer. He’s had his moments but overall he’s been very disappointing. Praying that Jimmy signs a new contract though or we’ll be very short on that side. | | | |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 19:22 - Jan 22 with 437 views | PeterHucker |
| Ashby throwing the jersey to the floor on 08:32 - Jan 22 by Ad99 |
It's the passing. Reminds me of Terrell Forbes. [Post edited 22 Jan 8:32]
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Very harsh on Terrell Forbes.
He was a pretty solid defender. Not as good going forward but still a reliable fullback and pretty much ever present for our 3 seasons in League 1. Was voted player of the season in 1 of those years too, which I don't remember many having a problem with at the time.
Significantly better player than Harrison Ashby has shown himself to be (so far at least)
History will judge Forbes harshly because of the very unsavoury off-pitch stuff that led to his departure, but I remember him being a popular player up until the details of that started to emerge. |  | | |
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