| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs 09:09 - Jan 19 with 7789 views | numptydumpty |
Would you want that ???
For me, an emphatic NO...
If the playing fields were much more even, then absolutely yes, but it could do to us like what has happened to Luton and many others.
We are on the crest of a wave currently - and I want that to continue for as long as is possible.
Yes this scenario is very unlikely to happen but just wondered what others thought.
It's amazing what's happening at the moment but the Leicester game who have lost seven in a row in the premiership shows the gulf.
Just wondering what others think ?? [Post edited 19 Jan 9:11]
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 21:44 - Jan 19 with 1371 views | wombat |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 11:52 - Jan 19 by numptydumpty |
Great point Dave.
Can see that absolutely.
I would just be wary it could all be destroyed by going up too early, replacing our own exciting talent by bringing in premier league players who some would just be here for the money like previously and it could then destroy our future seasons.
Am just enjoying where we are currently.
But like others have said hope that we don't do what Southampton have done and can achieve a la Brentford or Brighton.etc
Yes and agree younger fans won't have the memories of the charlatans that came here in our last two very challenging attempts at the prem. Probably my thoughts affected by the past but yes I think we are a different club altogether now, i would hope.
Play off Final Alfie Last minute winner !!!
If that happened I do believe Alfie himself would self combust !!!
But no harm dreaming !!! [Post edited 19 Jan 11:55]
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Agree with you up and u til the whoscores the last min winner , has to be Saito scoring for me |  |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 22:34 - Jan 19 with 1249 views | PunteR |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 10:02 - Jan 19 by Westway |
Happily go up, take the Prem money, and happily come back down again. |
Id happily go up, take the money, and happily stay up if we can.
I dont watch the Prem for two reasons. One, because we're not in it. Two, because it seems like a circus and a far cry to what i remember Division 1 used to be.
But im bored of playing the likes of Preston , Swansea, Bristol etc. I want to play against Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs.
Anyone who thinks we shouldn't be aiming for the top league needs to give their head a wobble.
When we dropped back into the championship the buzz word was 'Consolidate '. Consolidate in the championship with billionaire owners (because that's what we have) and then build again and have a proper go at the the prem.
Unfortunately, those owners have been a bunch of useless tw@ts despite all the money they have , and we've now been fighting relegation in the championship for nearly a decade.
Our manager and players will be looking at promotion. We should be too. [Post edited 19 Jan 22:35]
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 22:40 - Jan 19 with 1227 views | PunteR |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 13:50 - Jan 19 by californiahoop |
Tell Bournemouth with crowds of 10k plus, it doesn’t work or Brentford with 18k, Fulham have akso stabilised in the Prem, done sensibly, it can work out! |
Yep. This. 100%
Its the owners holding us back. | |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 22:42 - Jan 19 with 1220 views | Northernr |
I get the sentiment, the Premier League is a horrible thing and following a club like ours in it is a slog, but we can't on the one hand kick the club for not taking the FA Cup seriously while on the other say we don't want to go up. Sport is meant to be about winning, achieving. Of course we should want to go up. |  | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 22:53 - Jan 19 with 1166 views | stainrods_elbow |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 18:09 - Jan 19 by GloryHunter |
If we go up via the playoffs, Marti will immediately be lured away up by another club. Failing that, he will be sacked part-way into the first disastrous PL season. Whichever way, it ends in tears. So no thanks, I don't wish for it. |
Wow! With adverse prognostications like yours, you could give Nostradamus himself a run for his money! |  |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 22:53 - Jan 19 with 1194 views | Geoff78 |
I want us to win every game, so we could end up (miracles do happen, maybe?) being promoted, but I don't want a season in the Prem where we lose almost every game.
Some teams are clever and plan for the 3-4 years:
yr 1 get promoted,
yr 2 use prem money carefully but prob get relegated
yr 3 get promoted with a stronger squad
yr 4 having used 3 years of prem money (2 hrs in prem + 1 yr parachute) we have a much better squad and stay up. 🤞🏻🤞🏻
This may have been the Burnley model somewhat messed up by Company leaving, but still likely to get promoted again. |  | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 23:40 - Jan 19 with 1148 views | connell10 |
Bloody hell , after the Boro game everyone thought we were going down , now the talk of playoffs!!! It's good to dream though and personally I'd love to go up via the playoffs. |  |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 23:46 - Jan 19 with 1121 views | SydneyRs |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 09:19 - Jan 19 by Hayesender |
Take the money and run |
This. A season of mostly misery but if used wisely could really set us up. | | | |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 02:28 - Jan 20 with 1035 views | QPROslo |
Yes, off course I want us promoted. ASAP. | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 03:07 - Jan 20 with 1014 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 22:42 - Jan 19 by Northernr |
I get the sentiment, the Premier League is a horrible thing and following a club like ours in it is a slog, but we can't on the one hand kick the club for not taking the FA Cup seriously while on the other say we don't want to go up. Sport is meant to be about winning, achieving. Of course we should want to go up. |
Of course. I want us to go up, no question. What to do when we get there is up for debate but actually wanting to get there is a no brainer. |  | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 08:22 - Jan 20 with 890 views | saxbend |
Take the money and run is a fine idea in principle, but rarely does it ever happen, and even when it does, it involves a year of morale-destroying defeats and at least one manager sacking, when the manager isn't the problem since the whole plan was not to spend money to try to stay up anyway. And it's even rarer for the club to bounce back within their parachute seasons, and that also comes with a risk of building up a premier league wage bill and remaining in the championship with it and facing a big P&S headache.
No, I do not want us to do that. The only way that works is to develop and sell enough players for enough money to be able to build a good chunk of a Premier League squad before you get there. Not counting what Forest have done of course which results in doing a Derby nine times out of ten. |  | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 09:22 - Jan 20 with 779 views | switchingcode |
Christ it’s changed over here only a short while back it was all relegation gloom.Very easy for some to call clubs like Brentford and Bournmouth poxy little clubs because of the size of their crowds not taking on board I doubt if you went up with the PL requirements you would have a capacity of above 16000.
Apart from the really big clubs with 50000 plus gates most will be lucky to take more than 18 million in gate money ok add the 120 +million through the TV money.Ipswich have spent over 100 mill on players so with wages north of 75 mill they ain’t making a profit Ah the parachute payments you all moan about well that doesn’t go a long way if you don’t have relegation clauses in players contracts.Since getting into the Championship I’ve had a good laugh at these so called massive clubs calling us a poxy a little club most still in the championship and some even now in Division 1 . The best thing to do is study how it’s done and replicate it and then when you get there you find it’s not the paradise you thought it would be.
I hope you get promotion the thought of QPR and Fulham in the PL might just wet my appetite as the championship is still my preferred league , | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 09:36 - Jan 20 with 735 views | BAWHoops |
Love the hypothetical!!
I'd love to go up, but wouldn't want the consequences of it!
The idea that you bank the money etc etc is fine until you look at Luton who are involved in another relegation battle this season!
On Luton, everyone talks about their plucky campaign last season... they got 26 points. That's 1 more than when we got relegated in the Hughes/Redknapp season and 4 less than when we went down under Ramsey!!
For the promoted clubs it essentially comes down to your transfer business which itself involves a bit of luck. Ipswich seem to have a gem in Liasm Delap, signed for a chunky fee from a Top 6 Academy. Whilst Cameron Archer is the same profile and is stinking the place out for Southampton! |  |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 09:53 - Jan 20 with 681 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 09:22 - Jan 20 by switchingcode |
Christ it’s changed over here only a short while back it was all relegation gloom.Very easy for some to call clubs like Brentford and Bournmouth poxy little clubs because of the size of their crowds not taking on board I doubt if you went up with the PL requirements you would have a capacity of above 16000.
Apart from the really big clubs with 50000 plus gates most will be lucky to take more than 18 million in gate money ok add the 120 +million through the TV money.Ipswich have spent over 100 mill on players so with wages north of 75 mill they ain’t making a profit Ah the parachute payments you all moan about well that doesn’t go a long way if you don’t have relegation clauses in players contracts.Since getting into the Championship I’ve had a good laugh at these so called massive clubs calling us a poxy a little club most still in the championship and some even now in Division 1 . The best thing to do is study how it’s done and replicate it and then when you get there you find it’s not the paradise you thought it would be.
I hope you get promotion the thought of QPR and Fulham in the PL might just wet my appetite as the championship is still my preferred league , |
Tbf Brentford are a very well run poxy little club. | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 10:01 - Jan 20 with 659 views | Geoff78 |
I want us to win every game, so we could end up (miracles do happen, maybe?) being promoted, but I don't want a season in the Prem where we lose almost every game.
Some teams are clever and plan for the 3-4 years:
yr 1 get promoted,
yr 2 use prem money carefully but prob get relegated
yr 3 get promoted with a stronger squad
yr 4 having used 3 years of prem money (2 hrs in prem + 1 yr parachute) we have a much better squad and stay up. 🤞🏻🤞🏻
This may have been the Burnley model somewhat messed up by Company leaving, but still likely to get promoted again. | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 10:03 - Jan 20 with 656 views | robith |
The thing I really hate is when team's go up, look sunk, sack the manager that got them there, then come down with some no mark and wish they had say, oh I dunno, the guy that got them up?
Going up, sacking Marti in January then going down with like Gregory Vignal as coach would be diabolical |  | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 10:05 - Jan 20 with 646 views | TheChef |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 09:19 - Jan 19 by Hayesender |
Take the money and run |
This.
I mean I'd rather stay in the Championship but you'd have to take the money.
And unlike last time keep faith with the majority of the players that got you promoted, make at most two or three signings that can add value and experience.
And then hope for the best. |  |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 10:55 - Jan 20 with 589 views | TheChef |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 18:33 - Jan 19 by ManinBlack |
I don't think anyone is saying they don't want to go up ever. What they are saying is they want better foundations and more time to get ready. I am saying it is too soon to go up and Marti hasn't had much time to build. He arrived to fight a relegation battle and basically has had to do the same this season after a poor first period of this campaign. Personally I think there is more chance of us turning up another blind alley than getting promoted this season. We are never far from another crisis so it seems as the years relentlessly pass.
Whilst it might be good financially to go up ASAP, it doesn't mean we will be a yo yo club like Fulham were. They managed to use their financial gains when returning to the Championship to hold onto Mitrovic each time they came down. He would bag them 30 goals to get them back up. Eventually this paid off and Fulham stayed up and developed into an established Premiership club without Mitrovic.
If we go up and come straight back down, we don't have a prolific scorer for the Championship to get us straight back up. We would need to find somebody like that in the Premiership and hope he stays with us after relegation and that's the hard part.
Southampton are doing their best to emulate Derby's record of one win and 11 points. Since that catastrophic season for Derby, they have never returned to the Premiership and I would hate to see us have a similar season and then not return to the Premiership for decades.
If we could use the parachute money to challenge at the top of the Championship continually then fine but we could go down to league 1 like Derby or be in the relegation zone like Luton today. How we use the Premiership riches on relegation is the key. |
Much as I'm ambivalent about the PL, the fact that Fulham and Brentford are now more or less 'established' Prem teams (bleurgh) makes me want to prove that we can do the same. | |
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| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 11:50 - Jan 20 with 537 views | Malintabuk |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 12:31 - Jan 19 by WestonsuperR |
If we don’t want to get promoted, the revenue that naturally brings and the memories created by another playoff win then not sure why we are bothering? Surely the aim is to least at least attempt to stay in the highest league possible, even if at times it will be a painful watch.
We were pretty dire in our last top slight season but wouldn't swap that for the win at Wembley and that Zamora moment. |
So sorry fat fingers, no way did imean to down vote that.... my apologies | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 12:19 - Jan 20 with 463 views | GaryHaddock |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 10:03 - Jan 20 by robith |
The thing I really hate is when team's go up, look sunk, sack the manager that got them there, then come down with some no mark and wish they had say, oh I dunno, the guy that got them up?
Going up, sacking Marti in January then going down with like Gregory Vignal as coach would be diabolical |
Yeah, go up, have a good time as best you can, know you are shit, and stick with the long term plan.
The guy who got you up is the most qualified to do it again. |  | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 12:24 - Jan 20 with 435 views | KensalT |
The simple answer to that is Hull in 2019/20.
After 23 games they had 33 points:
https://www.royals.org/tables/211219.php#google_vignette
(apologies for the Fake Hoops link, but it serves a purpose!)
Hull were four points off the playoff places and in Jarrod Bowen had arguably the outstanding talent in the Championship that season.
Instead of pushing on to see what they might achieve they sold their two best players assuming they had enough points on the board to coast through the rest of the season.
They finished in last place with 45 points:
https://uk.soccerway.com/national/england/championship/20192020/regular-season/r
The Championship has too many clubs of similar size and resources for us to ever be taking our foot off the gas and thinking we can be comfortable at this level. Once the other clubs think we're a soft touch they will clamber all over us.
It has been a lean decade since our return to the Championship. We haven't had many sniffs of the top six. But when we get the chance we have to go for it. The fans will expect us to push on, and if we want to keep attracting talented young players and coaches then they will expect it too.
Do you really want to be playing Preston and Blackburn year-in and year-out forever more? | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 13:05 - Jan 20 with 358 views | TK1 |
I want to win every game QPR ever play. I want to win the Championship with 138 points and run across Loftus Road on the day we are given the trophy doing a willy copter at the crying Luton fans. I love watching QPR win.
But I absolutely loath the Premier League from the bottom of my heart. I hate the prices, I hate the politics, I hate VAR with all my soul, I hate the tourists home and away taking photos of teams scoring against their own. I hate the podcasts. I hate all the talking heads. I hate the noise and everything about it. Fcking Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher having an opinion about your team that you are meant to listen to. I hate the fact that clubs are now actively working against their fans keeping season tickets, that in a decade there will be no season tickets.
I know within a few weeks up there I'd hate it even more, that there are millions of other things I'd hate that I don't even know about yet.
I'd like to win the league with 138 points and say, 'Thanks, we'll defend this next season'. Then have a big parade and loads of drink and drugs.
I know that would be incredibly unpopular and would never happen in a million years and instead I'll be spending twice as much to watch us lose 0-4 to Bournemouth home and away. But I'd prefer it. | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 14:08 - Jan 20 with 209 views | saxbend |
And if we do go up one thing I definitely don't want to see is us signing the players signed one year prior by the teams who ended up getting relegated, especially if they were promoted the season before. Nor do I want to see us sign players who've already achieved it all and have no hunger to work twice as hard at a smaller club for a mid table finish. Oir recruitment has to reflect what we're doing now in terms of finding players that no-one else is looking at who fit the plan but increase the overall ability of the squad. | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 14:27 - Jan 20 with 174 views | KensalT |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 13:05 - Jan 20 by TK1 |
I want to win every game QPR ever play. I want to win the Championship with 138 points and run across Loftus Road on the day we are given the trophy doing a willy copter at the crying Luton fans. I love watching QPR win.
But I absolutely loath the Premier League from the bottom of my heart. I hate the prices, I hate the politics, I hate VAR with all my soul, I hate the tourists home and away taking photos of teams scoring against their own. I hate the podcasts. I hate all the talking heads. I hate the noise and everything about it. Fcking Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher having an opinion about your team that you are meant to listen to. I hate the fact that clubs are now actively working against their fans keeping season tickets, that in a decade there will be no season tickets.
I know within a few weeks up there I'd hate it even more, that there are millions of other things I'd hate that I don't even know about yet.
I'd like to win the league with 138 points and say, 'Thanks, we'll defend this next season'. Then have a big parade and loads of drink and drugs.
I know that would be incredibly unpopular and would never happen in a million years and instead I'll be spending twice as much to watch us lose 0-4 to Bournemouth home and away. But I'd prefer it. |
Hard to argue with any of that.
The Premier League isn't really sport anymore. Not unless your idea of sport is lions v Christians in the Coliseum.
But you raise an interesting question:
Are we legally obligated to accept promotion if we earn it?
I found the same question on a Reddit thread from twelve years ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1guzi0/is_it_possible_for_a_league_winn
Apparently there are clubs in Germany who refuse promotion to their third division because it forces them to become professional and undertake stadium upgrades.
The PL and EFL are completely separate legal entities. Leicester successfully argued that point last season when the PL tried to impose PSR penalties on them in the EFL:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c6281v4k082o
Although that did require some clever accounting.
Obviously it's a hypothetical question. The reason Championship finances are crazy is because clubs overspend in their desperation to wet their beak in the PL, even if only for one year.
Aside from anything else you would need the PL TV money to pay the players their Championship promotion bonuses!
And if a promoted club did turn around and say we're happy where we are thank you very much, the players and coaches would be straight on to their agents and unions to protest.
So love it or loathe it we are stuck with the PL. At least until the super-elite decide to take their ball away and play amongst themselves. | | | |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 14:32 - Jan 20 with 160 views | GaryHaddock |
| If a miracle happened and we went up via the playoffs on 14:27 - Jan 20 by KensalT |
Hard to argue with any of that.
The Premier League isn't really sport anymore. Not unless your idea of sport is lions v Christians in the Coliseum.
But you raise an interesting question:
Are we legally obligated to accept promotion if we earn it?
I found the same question on a Reddit thread from twelve years ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1guzi0/is_it_possible_for_a_league_winn
Apparently there are clubs in Germany who refuse promotion to their third division because it forces them to become professional and undertake stadium upgrades.
The PL and EFL are completely separate legal entities. Leicester successfully argued that point last season when the PL tried to impose PSR penalties on them in the EFL:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c6281v4k082o
Although that did require some clever accounting.
Obviously it's a hypothetical question. The reason Championship finances are crazy is because clubs overspend in their desperation to wet their beak in the PL, even if only for one year.
Aside from anything else you would need the PL TV money to pay the players their Championship promotion bonuses!
And if a promoted club did turn around and say we're happy where we are thank you very much, the players and coaches would be straight on to their agents and unions to protest.
So love it or loathe it we are stuck with the PL. At least until the super-elite decide to take their ball away and play amongst themselves. |
‘Apparently there are clubs in Germany who refuse promotion to their third division because it forces them to become professional and undertake stadium upgrades’
This happens now and again in non league here. Some non league clubs get a lot of income from selling seats viewing the pitch where you can have a beer but I think the ban kicks in at National League or National League regional level,
This might be out of date now, but rumour had it that Dulwich Hamlet were subject to this. | | | |
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