| Thought's on this from Les on 15:48 - Oct 13 with 8890 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Misleading headline by the BBC. He actually said ‘SOME of the criticism came because of my colour’.
Bearing in mind I’ve seen posters on here call people ‘big black cnts’ I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that SOME people are anti Ferdinand because of his colour.
He backs the rest of the his interview up about job opportunities with facts so I don’t think he can be criticised for that either.
I hope this thread can pass by nicely. |  | |  |
| Thought's on this from Les on 15:52 - Oct 13 with 8844 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
I'd say eight years in a role he wasn't qualified for or had previous experience of doing was a pretty good opportunity. |  | | |
| Thought's on this from Les on 15:55 - Oct 13 with 8808 views | Hayesender |
| Thought's on this from Les on 15:48 - Oct 13 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Misleading headline by the BBC. He actually said ‘SOME of the criticism came because of my colour’.
Bearing in mind I’ve seen posters on here call people ‘big black cnts’ I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that SOME people are anti Ferdinand because of his colour.
He backs the rest of the his interview up about job opportunities with facts so I don’t think he can be criticised for that either.
I hope this thread can pass by nicely. |
I can honestly say I've never (thankfully) ever heard him described as a black this or that, either on here or in the pub.
What people say or think in private is another matter, but there's fck all anyone can do about that |  |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 16:01 - Oct 13 with 8751 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Thought's on this from Les on 15:55 - Oct 13 by Hayesender |
I can honestly say I've never (thankfully) ever heard him described as a black this or that, either on here or in the pub.
What people say or think in private is another matter, but there's fck all anyone can do about that |
I never said they did. | | | |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:01 - Oct 13 with 8752 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Thought's on this from Les on 15:55 - Oct 13 by Hayesender |
I can honestly say I've never (thankfully) ever heard him described as a black this or that, either on here or in the pub.
What people say or think in private is another matter, but there's fck all anyone can do about that |
well, there was loads of stuff about 'Les's black mates', let's not try and deny that. you don't ever hear other DoF's being criticised for hiring their 'white mates' (which they do all the time). |  |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 16:07 - Oct 13 with 8713 views | JAY |
Given some of the stuff I have seen on facebook I have seen about Les and Chris Ramsey, I'd say this is probably true, as much many won't like to admit it. |  | | |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:07 - Oct 13 with 8711 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Thought's on this from Les on 15:52 - Oct 13 by Wegerles_Stairs |
I'd say eight years in a role he wasn't qualified for or had previous experience of doing was a pretty good opportunity. |
Not sure he said it wasn't a good opportunity?
If the main criteria for a role was 'having done it before' how would anyone ever get any opportunities to move on up? | |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 16:08 - Oct 13 with 8701 views | Hayesender |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:01 - Oct 13 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I never said they did. |
Misread what you said. Slightly regretting starting this thread now, as its only gonna go one way, but I suppose someone would have started one! | |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 16:21 - Oct 13 with 8613 views | ThGrimRanger |
A real shame that he feels this way and it portrays QPR in a very poor light when ultimately we have a great track record for diverse coaching staff, managers and ultimately the DOF.
I believe had Les been white he would copped a very similar level of criticism for his 8 years as QPR DOF. We 've never threatened playoffs in those 8 years and from a squad perspective we're in a right mess.
Budget is used as an excuse but many teams have thrived and been promoted with far less to spend than we've had over this time. |  |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 16:32 - Oct 13 with 8528 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:08 - Oct 13 by Hayesender |
Misread what you said. Slightly regretting starting this thread now, as its only gonna go one way, but I suppose someone would have started one! |
It doesn’t have to go that way.
No ag from me and none from you so far. It’s fine.
It’s an important topic. | | | |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:32 - Oct 13 with 8532 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Hayes,
With all due respect, can you change your OP to reflect that he said "some".
It makes a HUGE difference in context.
"Some of the criticism that came was because of my colour," he said."
And then - the very reasonable:
"I always say to people, 'If I was a bad director of football, it wasn't because of my colour. It was just, I was a bad director of football. If I was a good one, it wasn't going to be because of my colour. It was because of my abilities.'" |  |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 16:34 - Oct 13 with 8512 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:08 - Oct 13 by Hayesender |
Misread what you said. Slightly regretting starting this thread now, as its only gonna go one way, but I suppose someone would have started one! |
You should have no regrets at all, Hayes.
You're right - it would have come up.
I'm going to search out the podcast and have a listen, so thanks for flagging it. | |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 16:35 - Oct 13 with 8488 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:32 - Oct 13 by BrianMcCarthy |
Hayes,
With all due respect, can you change your OP to reflect that he said "some".
It makes a HUGE difference in context.
"Some of the criticism that came was because of my colour," he said."
And then - the very reasonable:
"I always say to people, 'If I was a bad director of football, it wasn't because of my colour. It was just, I was a bad director of football. If I was a good one, it wasn't going to be because of my colour. It was because of my abilities.'" |
Mischievousness or poor editing from the BBC I think. | | | |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:38 - Oct 13 with 8453 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
One elephant in the room is our record since he left though.
I suspect history will prove him to be more of a bail out bucket than a iceberg. | | | |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:39 - Oct 13 with 8455 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:35 - Oct 13 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Mischievousness or poor editing from the BBC I think. |
One or the other, Bazz. | |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 16:41 - Oct 13 with 8442 views | Monkey_Roots |
It is very naughty how they drop the word 'some'... click me!!
It seem to be a reasonable assertion from Les, and he even notes that he made the mistake of deviating from the plan.
Still naused it all up though. |  | | |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:47 - Oct 13 with 8399 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:35 - Oct 13 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Mischievousness or poor editing from the BBC I think. |
However it happened, it is an irresponible headline: either careless or, more likely, someone hoping it'll gather lots of clicks so people can row about it on social media. And of course it's worked. | |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 16:51 - Oct 13 with 8341 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:07 - Oct 13 by Antti_Heinola |
Not sure he said it wasn't a good opportunity?
If the main criteria for a role was 'having done it before' how would anyone ever get any opportunities to move on up? |
Going by the BBC article, it seems he's complaining about a lack of opportunities, no? As I said, eight years in that role given his experience and lack of success seems a pretty good opportunity. | | | |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:54 - Oct 13 with 8337 views | Hayesender |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:32 - Oct 13 by BrianMcCarthy |
Hayes,
With all due respect, can you change your OP to reflect that he said "some".
It makes a HUGE difference in context.
"Some of the criticism that came was because of my colour," he said."
And then - the very reasonable:
"I always say to people, 'If I was a bad director of football, it wasn't because of my colour. It was just, I was a bad director of football. If I was a good one, it wasn't going to be because of my colour. It was because of my abilities.'" |
That's the BBC editing I'm afraid Brian. The only bit I typed is in the title bar | |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 17:10 - Oct 13 with 8261 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:51 - Oct 13 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Going by the BBC article, it seems he's complaining about a lack of opportunities, no? As I said, eight years in that role given his experience and lack of success seems a pretty good opportunity. |
Ah, you mean an isolated opportunity for one person. Right.
Everything is fine then.
The amount of times people seem to wilfully misrepresent Les must be profoiundly irritating for him. | |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 17:22 - Oct 13 with 8182 views | paulhoop2 |
I was the first to bring this up months ago and got slaughtered for it but I still believe there is a significant majority that did criticise him because of this I’m afraid. Considering there are a number of issues that were not down to him and recruitment is overseen by Andy belk who has escaped any criticism at all | |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 17:26 - Oct 13 with 8157 views | Rangersw12 |
| Thought's on this from Les on 15:48 - Oct 13 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Misleading headline by the BBC. He actually said ‘SOME of the criticism came because of my colour’.
Bearing in mind I’ve seen posters on here call people ‘big black cnts’ I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that SOME people are anti Ferdinand because of his colour.
He backs the rest of the his interview up about job opportunities with facts so I don’t think he can be criticised for that either.
I hope this thread can pass by nicely. |
He also had the "Black Mafia" stuff on Facebook and Twitter
Ultimately he did some good stuff and some bad stuff . Still a legend in my eyes and glad he left before it got really toxic.
He did a good job for the owners and took the flak they should have got [Post edited 13 Oct 2023 17:30]
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| Thought's on this from Les on 17:36 - Oct 13 with 8088 views | Mick_S |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:35 - Oct 13 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Mischievousness or poor editing from the BBC I think. |
That’s what I got baz. |  |
| Did I ever mention that I was in Minder? |
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| Thought's on this from Les on 17:51 - Oct 13 with 8012 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Unfortunately there will always be a minority of people who will always be small minded and bigoted. Makes me laugh as some of the abuse he received may well have been singing his name when he was banging them in for us.
Top player, a sh!t DOF, but colour should have no bearing on either of those statements for me. | | | |
| Thought's on this from Les on 18:02 - Oct 13 with 7968 views | colinallcars |
| Thought's on this from Les on 16:35 - Oct 13 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Mischievousness or poor editing from the BBC I think. |
Grist to the mill for the BBC. |  | | |
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