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The turning point of that game was the nonsensical substitute of Odoh (who was up against a player on a yellow card) & bringing on Done who is practically incapable of doing anything.
Taylor has had a shocker tonight and itās cost us dear.
Dorsett was absolutely outstanding and the best defender on the pitch by some distance.
Another gut wrenching & frustrating result, but weāre another day closer to January when hopefully RS can do some business. |
Agree about not understanding why Odoh came off, but Done replaced White at LWB who doesnāt look capable of playing 90 minutes. Cashman was the replacement further forward and he spent far too much time dropping off trying to play that same ball tat got OāKeeffe the winner at Port Vale.
Need a centre half, a midfielder who sees danger and the ability to switch formations come January. That was a game we should have seen out at 1-0. |  |
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| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 21:58 - Dec 8 with 3650 views | _Windydale |
You can see we have a squad that can win these sort of games but they're not clicking in the final 3rd. We are working hard though, but looked tired.
Few players disappeared 2nd half
Okeefe doesn't seem to be able to link up with the forwards and goes for the less simple pass.
Beezley was pretty ineffective, pushed off the ball, and not really dominant against any opponent.
Kelly was marked out of the game at times but slips few and poor passes thwarted his game and mistakes.
Taylor has great distribution but needs to work on timing heading.
Cashman didn't do himself any favours running into strange areas of the pitch and putting us under pressure.
Roll on Bristol. Pick ourselves up and go again. |  | | |
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Dorsettās best game yet, he didnāt deserve to lose that. For all the criticism of Taylor, wtf is EOC doing for their winner? |
Defensively EOC certainly didnāt have his best game, but Taylor for me was massively at fault in both goals. The first is inexperienced, shocking defending. The second, positionally, what the hell is he doing? Itās the 91st minute and heās completely out of position?
I watched him during the first half when he made a header into touch, he sort of stood and admired the the fact heād made the header and didnāt think to get back into position. The throw in comes in and Hartlepool have a free man to aim at because of Taylorās lack of concentration. From what Iāve seen this is his major downfall and Iām not sure how you can coach that. | | | |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 22:00 - Dec 8 with 3585 views | 1907 |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 21:56 - Dec 8 by 442Dale |
Agree about not understanding why Odoh came off, but Done replaced White at LWB who doesnāt look capable of playing 90 minutes. Cashman was the replacement further forward and he spent far too much time dropping off trying to play that same ball tat got OāKeeffe the winner at Port Vale.
Need a centre half, a midfielder who sees danger and the ability to switch formations come January. That was a game we should have seen out at 1-0. |
I wasnāt implying that the substitution was one for one, just that the double substitution we made killed our momentum. Could have worded that better in original post. | | | |
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I wasnāt implying that the substitution was one for one, just that the double substitution we made killed our momentum. Could have worded that better in original post. |
I'd like to say the best team was robbed, but that's not true. We gave the game away with two it's of poor defending. Why Cashman for Odoh is baffling. | | | |
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Defensively EOC certainly didnāt have his best game, but Taylor for me was massively at fault in both goals. The first is inexperienced, shocking defending. The second, positionally, what the hell is he doing? Itās the 91st minute and heās completely out of position?
I watched him during the first half when he made a header into touch, he sort of stood and admired the the fact heād made the header and didnāt think to get back into position. The throw in comes in and Hartlepool have a free man to aim at because of Taylorās lack of concentration. From what Iāve seen this is his major downfall and Iām not sure how you can coach that. |
That's the problem with a young inexperienced squad player like max, he will definitely get better I'm sure. With coaching experience and match time. I think Taylor is decent on the ball. He has improved and put some decent tackles and interceptions in. Still young though, and playing because of his future potential and our slim budget. | | | |
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You can see we have a squad that can win these sort of games but they're not clicking in the final 3rd. We are working hard though, but looked tired.
Few players disappeared 2nd half
Okeefe doesn't seem to be able to link up with the forwards and goes for the less simple pass.
Beezley was pretty ineffective, pushed off the ball, and not really dominant against any opponent.
Kelly was marked out of the game at times but slips few and poor passes thwarted his game and mistakes.
Taylor has great distribution but needs to work on timing heading.
Cashman didn't do himself any favours running into strange areas of the pitch and putting us under pressure.
Roll on Bristol. Pick ourselves up and go again. |
Long trip back, rest tomorrow and train Friday before heading down the motorway
Not much respite there, or time to bring the game at Bristol into focus. Confidence seems to have drained away again, for the time being at least
It's going to be a hugely testing time for RS, just keeping the lad's heads up, especially the younger ones. He should by rights give Taylor a break, and probably Beesley but it's who else to bring in. Can't see the formation changing for reasons that've been discussed before |  |
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| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 22:12 - Dec 8 with 3411 views | boromat |
Lynch, O'Connell and Taylor all had poor games today could have been alot worse if it wasn't for Dorsett however saying that it was Dorsett who gave the ball away for one of their goals.
As always we made chances but weren't clinical. Very scrappy game alot of the time where Hartlepool just tried to use their pace up front on the counter, it seems to be something that we can't handle going off a few games so far this season. | |
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| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 22:16 - Dec 8 with 3352 views | mikehunt |
Getting a bit sick of this quite frankly. Injury time goals conceded. Canāt defend crosses. No one can score. I had us un a knife edge with all these draws, hoping we would fall on the right side. Sadly, we have tipped the other way. This ānew, inexperienced sideā has been together half a season now. My patience is wearing thin. Well p*ssed off! |  |
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| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 22:16 - Dec 8 with 3342 views | 1907 |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 22:10 - Dec 8 by D_Alien |
Long trip back, rest tomorrow and train Friday before heading down the motorway
Not much respite there, or time to bring the game at Bristol into focus. Confidence seems to have drained away again, for the time being at least
It's going to be a hugely testing time for RS, just keeping the lad's heads up, especially the younger ones. He should by rights give Taylor a break, and probably Beesley but it's who else to bring in. Can't see the formation changing for reasons that've been discussed before |
And without being overly critical of RS this is where Iād like to see him throw caution to the wind for a change.
Off tonightās showing Iād be more than happy giving OāConnell and Dorsett a run as a back two with White and OāKeeffe either side.
I get there are reservations about OāKeeffe defensively but letās just try it and see what happens.
Broadbent hasnāt featured for weeks, after tonightās showing Iād rather see him get a chance in midfield and either him or Morley play as a DCM on Saturday.
Letās make ourselves a little more unpredictable. [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 22:17]
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| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 22:43 - Dec 8 with 3117 views | pioneer |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 21:50 - Dec 8 by funkkk |
1 defeat in 9 Ć°ÅøāÅĆ°ÅøĀĀ¼ |
The only stat that really matters is points, and its 13 points from last 13 games (or 26 points dropped).
Never mind, Day 2 of the Ashes starting in 45 minutes - that should cheer us up! | | | |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 22:45 - Dec 8 with 3091 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 21:50 - Dec 8 by RotherhamDale |
We're in good form if you ask the manager |
Blinked his way through the post match interview.......why not ask him if Odoh was knackered?
As when Dooley came on Sunday, the arrival of Done tonight is Goodnight Vienna.
He should have mentioned the long suffering fans who trudge up there for a shite show too. | | | |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 23:19 - Dec 8 with 2938 views | DaleFan7 |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 22:45 - Dec 8 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Blinked his way through the post match interview.......why not ask him if Odoh was knackered?
As when Dooley came on Sunday, the arrival of Done tonight is Goodnight Vienna.
He should have mentioned the long suffering fans who trudge up there for a shite show too. |
Two players who shouldn't have been kept in the summer.
Our 8 match unbeaten run quickly turns into 2 wins in 13 games and a loss tonight has us 16th where as a win would have taken us 11th and 4 points off the play offs despite not playing the best at the moment.
We need some recruits in Jan, whether we get them is another story. | | | |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 23:34 - Dec 8 with 2866 views | kel |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 22:45 - Dec 8 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Blinked his way through the post match interview.......why not ask him if Odoh was knackered?
As when Dooley came on Sunday, the arrival of Done tonight is Goodnight Vienna.
He should have mentioned the long suffering fans who trudge up there for a shite show too. |
Why?
Iād be staggered if anyone goes to a match so they can get praise off the manager for doing so? [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 23:37]
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| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 23:39 - Dec 8 with 2848 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 23:34 - Dec 8 by kel |
Why?
Iād be staggered if anyone goes to a match so they can get praise off the manager for doing so? [Post edited 8 Dec 2021 23:37]
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I was just about to post the same.
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| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 23:39 - Dec 8 with 2850 views | Frog |
I think Beesley needs a rest or to go out on loan, confidence must be on the floor. Oh to find a goal scorer in the transfer window...... |  | | |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 23:47 - Dec 8 with 2819 views | kel |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 23:39 - Dec 8 by Frog |
I think Beesley needs a rest or to go out on loan, confidence must be on the floor. Oh to find a goal scorer in the transfer window...... |
And replace him with who? Have you seen the size of the squad? | | | |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 00:11 - Dec 9 with 2778 views | HullDale |
One thing is very clear after tonight - we're missing Newby... for his finishing, his link up play with O'Keeffe & him hoovering up the second balls; Cashman also looks like half the player he was when he doesn't have Newby around. For all my criticism of him not getting stuck in, we don't look like scoring half as much as when he is on the pitch.
For what its worth on tonight:
- Lynch... I thought he was poor tonight. Hesitant, seemed nervous, not communicating well with EOC. Very subdued performance, and something didn't feel quite right.
- Taylor... not great at all - after consistent signs of improvement recently, tonight he had a shocker.
- EOC.. not sure what all this passing from Lynch to him is about, when he only makes passes that Lynch could've made himself... having him back in the 6 yard box invites their players further forward and loses us some positive space. Looked composed most of the time (as expected), but a couple of big errors.
- Dorsett... like a new signing. Still prone to the odd gaff, or pass over the stand, but in general an absolute colossus.
- Morley... I'm beginning to wonder if Lg2 is too physical for him - not winning headers and not wanting to stick his foot in.
- Kelly... IMO his worst appearance for us since he just joined and was gaining fitness. Lots of time being frustrated with other players and not much of the magic we know he is capable of.
- White... invisible tonight. Forgettable performance, but his pace could do damage if utilised correctly.
- Odoh... strange one bringing him off... he had a couple more shots than normal and if he'd stayed on I would've bet money on their RB being sent off. we lost a lot of momentum with that change.
- O'Keeffe... missing Newby, and struggling with end product. Took their men on a few times but ended with poor / average crosses.
- Beesley... looks knackered. Won the ball back a few times but really needs help with the end product. For 2 big men up top, we didn't win many aerial duels.
- Andrews... well taken finish, but easily frustrated when play / decisions not going his way. Newby playing off him (a la Notts Away) will help a lot I think.
- Done... didn't do much at all when he came on. Similar performance to White.
- Cashman... played a similar role to what we have seen Kelly doing, slipped a lot and lost possession in the middle too easily.
Overall, it was lost in midfield tonight in my opinion... they wanted it more, we weren't ratting it down enough and gave them too much time / space to do what they wanted. Its also noticeable that, when other teams win it off us in midfield, their front few split and clearly know who to pass it to and where the others are running to - quick, slick and decisive. We are missing that.
Felt like a really long journey back tonight, not helped by the roadworks and accident on the 62. Feeling pretty deflated, and just hoping we start to show some fight on Saturday. [Post edited 9 Dec 2021 0:13]
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| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 01:43 - Dec 9 with 2633 views | swiggy |
Still up watching the cricket and listening to the commentators bemoaning Englandās lack of luck, perhaps Iām being over critical but is it bad luck that Warner is bowled off a no ball or is it bad bowling for bowling a no ball and heāll now probably get a century now? Is it bad luck nicks not carrying or are the slips positioned too far back? Itās all fine margins.
What Iām getting at is watching the Dale for the last four games weāve drawn two and lost two but arguably been the best team in all four games, is this bad luck or poor play? In my opinion Stevenage weāre a very poor side but we gifted them two goals by poor defending along with missing several chances, Exeter were better but again we should have won on chances created. We struggled against Plymouth in the first half but should have beaten them in the second half but lost again due to poor defending and Hartlepool again were there for the taking but we conceded two crap goals again.
I donāt really know the answer but itās really frustrating to watch us shoot ourselves in the foot time and time again. | | | |
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| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 01:43 - Dec 9 by swiggy |
Still up watching the cricket and listening to the commentators bemoaning Englandās lack of luck, perhaps Iām being over critical but is it bad luck that Warner is bowled off a no ball or is it bad bowling for bowling a no ball and heāll now probably get a century now? Is it bad luck nicks not carrying or are the slips positioned too far back? Itās all fine margins.
What Iām getting at is watching the Dale for the last four games weāve drawn two and lost two but arguably been the best team in all four games, is this bad luck or poor play? In my opinion Stevenage weāre a very poor side but we gifted them two goals by poor defending along with missing several chances, Exeter were better but again we should have won on chances created. We struggled against Plymouth in the first half but should have beaten them in the second half but lost again due to poor defending and Hartlepool again were there for the taking but we conceded two crap goals again.
I donāt really know the answer but itās really frustrating to watch us shoot ourselves in the foot time and time again. |
Some good points but it's your last sentence that sums it up most accurately. |  | | |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 06:56 - Dec 9 with 2393 views | fitzochris |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 00:11 - Dec 9 by HullDale |
One thing is very clear after tonight - we're missing Newby... for his finishing, his link up play with O'Keeffe & him hoovering up the second balls; Cashman also looks like half the player he was when he doesn't have Newby around. For all my criticism of him not getting stuck in, we don't look like scoring half as much as when he is on the pitch.
For what its worth on tonight:
- Lynch... I thought he was poor tonight. Hesitant, seemed nervous, not communicating well with EOC. Very subdued performance, and something didn't feel quite right.
- Taylor... not great at all - after consistent signs of improvement recently, tonight he had a shocker.
- EOC.. not sure what all this passing from Lynch to him is about, when he only makes passes that Lynch could've made himself... having him back in the 6 yard box invites their players further forward and loses us some positive space. Looked composed most of the time (as expected), but a couple of big errors.
- Dorsett... like a new signing. Still prone to the odd gaff, or pass over the stand, but in general an absolute colossus.
- Morley... I'm beginning to wonder if Lg2 is too physical for him - not winning headers and not wanting to stick his foot in.
- Kelly... IMO his worst appearance for us since he just joined and was gaining fitness. Lots of time being frustrated with other players and not much of the magic we know he is capable of.
- White... invisible tonight. Forgettable performance, but his pace could do damage if utilised correctly.
- Odoh... strange one bringing him off... he had a couple more shots than normal and if he'd stayed on I would've bet money on their RB being sent off. we lost a lot of momentum with that change.
- O'Keeffe... missing Newby, and struggling with end product. Took their men on a few times but ended with poor / average crosses.
- Beesley... looks knackered. Won the ball back a few times but really needs help with the end product. For 2 big men up top, we didn't win many aerial duels.
- Andrews... well taken finish, but easily frustrated when play / decisions not going his way. Newby playing off him (a la Notts Away) will help a lot I think.
- Done... didn't do much at all when he came on. Similar performance to White.
- Cashman... played a similar role to what we have seen Kelly doing, slipped a lot and lost possession in the middle too easily.
Overall, it was lost in midfield tonight in my opinion... they wanted it more, we weren't ratting it down enough and gave them too much time / space to do what they wanted. Its also noticeable that, when other teams win it off us in midfield, their front few split and clearly know who to pass it to and where the others are running to - quick, slick and decisive. We are missing that.
Felt like a really long journey back tonight, not helped by the roadworks and accident on the 62. Feeling pretty deflated, and just hoping we start to show some fight on Saturday. [Post edited 9 Dec 2021 0:13]
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I definitely agree with your observations about the back three and Andrews and Beesley last night. However, the opposition deserve a mention here too. In the first half, they seemed more content to let us have the ball in our own half and only got to pressing when we entered theirs, where they then had more bodies. Anything going to Andrews and Beesley centrally wasnāt sticking due to their players already being on top of them (Andrewsā poor first touch wasnāt helping here either).
However, that said, the midfield was actually dictating things for us for a time. The neat passing was going through Morley and Kelly no problem. The former actually played some quality balls out to the flanks. And letās not forget, it was through them that our goal came about. I think OāKeeffee was a threat, too. He beat his man a number of times and won several corners. The problem is, we did nothing with this. Odoh was making lots of runs and keeping them busy but nobody was testing their keeper. This is a major issue for us and has been most of the season.
Hartlepool changed things up a bit though and focused on Liam Kelly. He seemed to get marked out of the game at this point. Hartlepool got one back and were the dominant side thereafter.
Our defence couldnāt cope with their direct approach either. Max Taylor definitely needs to hold his hands up for not cutting out the one for their first and the second was a calamity apart from Dorsettās almost match-saving tackle.
I donāt know how much wiggle room we have in January but Iād certainly be looking at shifting a few things about if possible. [Post edited 9 Dec 2021 7:02]
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| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 09:42 - Dec 9 with 2089 views | kel |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 06:56 - Dec 9 by fitzochris |
I definitely agree with your observations about the back three and Andrews and Beesley last night. However, the opposition deserve a mention here too. In the first half, they seemed more content to let us have the ball in our own half and only got to pressing when we entered theirs, where they then had more bodies. Anything going to Andrews and Beesley centrally wasnāt sticking due to their players already being on top of them (Andrewsā poor first touch wasnāt helping here either).
However, that said, the midfield was actually dictating things for us for a time. The neat passing was going through Morley and Kelly no problem. The former actually played some quality balls out to the flanks. And letās not forget, it was through them that our goal came about. I think OāKeeffee was a threat, too. He beat his man a number of times and won several corners. The problem is, we did nothing with this. Odoh was making lots of runs and keeping them busy but nobody was testing their keeper. This is a major issue for us and has been most of the season.
Hartlepool changed things up a bit though and focused on Liam Kelly. He seemed to get marked out of the game at this point. Hartlepool got one back and were the dominant side thereafter.
Our defence couldnāt cope with their direct approach either. Max Taylor definitely needs to hold his hands up for not cutting out the one for their first and the second was a calamity apart from Dorsettās almost match-saving tackle.
I donāt know how much wiggle room we have in January but Iād certainly be looking at shifting a few things about if possible. [Post edited 9 Dec 2021 7:02]
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Excellent summary and pretty much echoes what I thought. Iāll add that Dorsett didnāt deserve to be on a losing side last night as he was superb. Heās proved me wrong anyway with his last few performances and I hope he kicks on now and keeps it up.
Thank god for this place and the measured responses as if I only had Twitter to keep in touch with all things Dale Iād be climbing the walls after some of the tripe posted on there last night. | | | |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 09:42 - Dec 9 with 2087 views | 49thseason |
We certainly are not getting any rub of the green at the moment. In fitness terms we still seem to be the month behind everyone else that we were at the start of the season. Our very young and inexperienced side is getting no help from senior players, linesmen not giving offside decisions, incorrectly taken corners, and a ball that ricochets off the Captains backside into the unobstructed path of an onrushing forward. We are 5 more games before the window opens and to be honest I am more concerned about exits than entrances.
I think the recruitment work is clearly ongoing with the Odoh deal this week, so I imagine there will be some shapeshifting in January. We need 30+ points now from 26 games , basically continuing recent form.
Like it or not, we always seem to have a run of poor form at this time of year , 2 games a week combined with injuries, heavy pitches and miserable training conditions take their toll now. Probably more so for players who can hardly be described as battle hardened and that is why the older players are such a huge disappointment, White, Done, Doolan, have added nothing and Keohane is likely out for several weeks exactly when you need him. We need leaders.
Unfortunately you have to question the premise on which this side was assembled , is it really possible to sign 8 or 9 youngsters and expect decent results from a wafer- thin squad? I am starting to think not. We need 2 or 3 more players capable of driving the rest of the team and that has to be the January focus. |  | | |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 10:26 - Dec 9 with 1986 views | jonahwhereru |
I listened to Pools managerās assessment. He basically said they had to change thinks up to break up our possession and passing, and that they targeted the space behind the centre half (Taylor it would seem). Dropping on to Kelly and exploiting one weakness seem like a very simple easy adjustments to make to turn it around, which last night we didnāt seem to have the answer to.
Last season Beesley had a catalogue of injuries, which enabled him to be fresh all the times on the pitch. He has been on the pitch virtually non stop this season, and imo needed to be. But the effort he puts into games does mean he needs to be given a rest and freshen up. This wonāt be popular, but ahead of the festive games I can see Done being paired with Andrews
OāKeefe has played nearly every minute this season. If he is going to be our player beyond the end of the this loan spell, He will need a break, but with no Jimmy that canāt happen.
McNulty is back in the squad, but being left footed he would be a replacement for Dorsett, and that aināt broke so donāt fix it.
Look I am loving the fact we are able to give any team a game this season, and be entertaining. So I am not downbeat
Bit rambling this post, sorry.
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| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 11:01 - Dec 9 with 1903 views | 1907 |
| Hartlepool (a) Match Thread on 09:42 - Dec 9 by 49thseason |
We certainly are not getting any rub of the green at the moment. In fitness terms we still seem to be the month behind everyone else that we were at the start of the season. Our very young and inexperienced side is getting no help from senior players, linesmen not giving offside decisions, incorrectly taken corners, and a ball that ricochets off the Captains backside into the unobstructed path of an onrushing forward. We are 5 more games before the window opens and to be honest I am more concerned about exits than entrances.
I think the recruitment work is clearly ongoing with the Odoh deal this week, so I imagine there will be some shapeshifting in January. We need 30+ points now from 26 games , basically continuing recent form.
Like it or not, we always seem to have a run of poor form at this time of year , 2 games a week combined with injuries, heavy pitches and miserable training conditions take their toll now. Probably more so for players who can hardly be described as battle hardened and that is why the older players are such a huge disappointment, White, Done, Doolan, have added nothing and Keohane is likely out for several weeks exactly when you need him. We need leaders.
Unfortunately you have to question the premise on which this side was assembled , is it really possible to sign 8 or 9 youngsters and expect decent results from a wafer- thin squad? I am starting to think not. We need 2 or 3 more players capable of driving the rest of the team and that has to be the January focus. |
Weāre missing someone like Doolan in the middle of the pitch! They donāt need to even be a decent player jury a gnarly, experienced old pro who will b0llock the players when required, do the simple things well and drag us through games. | | | |
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