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On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no?
Arrrrrrrrr... This be slipped under me cabin door this maaaarnin',be it another o' them Corn Law pamflets? Own up...which one o' ye sluggards were it?
"WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT COMES INTO FORCE 2020, ITS WORSE THAN THE SO CALLED" DEAL, IF 99% OF THE BRITISH THINK THIS THE DEAL IS BAD JUST LOOK AT THE LISBON TREATY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, LEAVERS AND REAIMERS..“What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all. Check it out if you wish ––>> 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020 This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons!"
Yo Ho!
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Our country is fckd match thread on 11:18 - Jan 17 with 2802 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 11:09 - Jan 17 by CaptainPugwash
Arrrrrrrrr... This be slipped under me cabin door this maaaarnin',be it another o' them Corn Law pamflets? Own up...which one o' ye sluggards were it?
"WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT COMES INTO FORCE 2020, ITS WORSE THAN THE SO CALLED" DEAL, IF 99% OF THE BRITISH THINK THIS THE DEAL IS BAD JUST LOOK AT THE LISBON TREATY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, LEAVERS AND REAIMERS..“What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all. Check it out if you wish ––>> 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020 This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons!"
Yo Ho!
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The most troubling thing is that some people in the UK would actually believe that to be true! I'd be happy if I never hear the word Brexit ever again, especially as an Expat as its all people ever bloody ask me about.
Our country is fckd match thread on 11:18 - Jan 17 by aston_hoop
The most troubling thing is that some people in the UK would actually believe that to be true! I'd be happy if I never hear the word Brexit ever again, especially as an Expat as its all people ever bloody ask me about.
Our country is fckd match thread on 11:18 - Jan 17 by aston_hoop
The most troubling thing is that some people in the UK would actually believe that to be true! I'd be happy if I never hear the word Brexit ever again, especially as an Expat as its all people ever bloody ask me about.
I read this morning of the L version of the B word.
Please, no.
Did I ever mention that I was in Minder?
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Our country is fckd match thread on 11:30 - Jan 17 with 2756 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 11:29 - Jan 17 by Mick_S
I read this morning of the L version of the B word.
Please, no.
Narrrrrr....
That Lemmin' ting be a fabrixation from my ol' shipmate Walt "it be yor round" Disney.Oy've travels the length and bredth o' this flat Earth oshuns and ne'er be brained by ur rodent!
Yo Ho!
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Our country is fckd match thread on 11:37 - Jan 17 with 2724 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 10:45 - Jan 17 by daveB
If we revoke Article 50 then Brexit is dead, we can't do it again which would be a hell of a decision to make
If the current impasse continues frontbenchers across parliament might vote to revoke. If they did there will obviously be trouble.
They might do it on the basis of saying there will -post article 50 withdrawal be a withdrawal by treaty negotiated which includes a full future association agreement to allow the UK to trade with Europe in future and be outside the EU. The article 50 notification was very foolish however much May, Corbyn et al called for it as it put the larger partner in the driving seat one day one and there were people saying so at the time.
Leaving by treaty and unravelling 40 years of integration would take 5 -10 years but would allow something very complicated to happen in a sane manner.UK would be negotiating from a much more secure position. Probably too many headbangers on both sides for something sensible to happen though.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 11:38 - Jan 17 with 2722 views
Oy asks Sadiq The Cerebral Psittacoid fer claaryficashun on this and he sez...and oy quotes... "Arrrrrrrkkkk. It is my considered opinion,and without prejudice,that the entity known as the European Union has but a few scant years to live.It is likened to pumping blood into a corpse to continue further.The UK(or what part still exists thereof)seeking to court the Union will be as an invited party guest finding itself the sole possessor of an empty house the rave PA silent and only a flat Party Six for refreshment.Unholy alliances and holy alliances will form and former currencies will be be revived backed by gold.There will be envious eyes cast eastwards to the Belt And Road Initiative - the filter through which all European thought will flow Sadiq wants a cracker Sadiq wants a cracker
Aaaaaaaarkkk..."
Yo Ho!
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Our country is fckd match thread on 12:05 - Jan 17 with 2640 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 09:59 - Jan 17 by stevec
Kind of losing track with it all but am i right in thinking that if Corbyn decides to sit on his hands for the next two and a half months and refuses to cooperate with the Tories then, by parliamentary procedure, he'll get the No Deal that he's really wanted all along?
Given the Labour Party's close association with the trade unions and the supposed carnage caused to manufacturing by a no deal scenario, why do you think that?
Corbyn is keeping his policy a secret. As others have said, it doesn't look good that he won't at least engage with May. That said, she should have been holding talks with the other party leaders and keeping them informed along the way previously.
"Thank you for supporting Queens Park Rangers Steep Staircase"... and I thought I'd signed up for a rollercoaster.
Labour MP's represent urban remain constituencies ( e.g Manchester, London, Liverpool, Leeds, Cardiff) and leave areas such as Stoke and Sunderland. Labour has a balancing act of those who want a second referendum and those who want to leave. Staying in the customs union is a brexit for those more in the middle. I am a Labour supporter and voted remain holding my nose. There are a lot of faults within the EU looking at issues such as Greece. Also immigration is too high. I live in East London and have seen a population increase drastically in recent years.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 12:47 - Jan 17 with 2538 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 12:08 - Jan 17 by BasingstokeR
Why do you think this? Where did you read that Article 50 can't ever be triggered more than once?
During the debate on Tuesday the attorney general bloke said if we did this and then tried to invoke article 50 again it would need approval from the EU for us to do it which would be unlikely
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Our country is fckd match thread on 12:49 - Jan 17 with 2528 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 12:09 - Jan 17 by Mytch_QPR
Given the Labour Party's close association with the trade unions and the supposed carnage caused to manufacturing by a no deal scenario, why do you think that?
Corbyn is keeping his policy a secret. As others have said, it doesn't look good that he won't at least engage with May. That said, she should have been holding talks with the other party leaders and keeping them informed along the way previously.
good reason it's being kept secret because he doesn't have a plan. He spoke on Andrew Marr last weekend and some of his ideas for how he would deal with Brexit were a non starter
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Our country is fckd match thread on 13:00 - Jan 17 with 2493 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 12:49 - Jan 17 by daveB
good reason it's being kept secret because he doesn't have a plan. He spoke on Andrew Marr last weekend and some of his ideas for how he would deal with Brexit were a non starter
He's working on it, but he has a big batch of jam to sort out first.
"Thank you for supporting Queens Park Rangers Steep Staircase"... and I thought I'd signed up for a rollercoaster.
Our country is fckd match thread on 12:48 - Jan 17 by daveB
During the debate on Tuesday the attorney general bloke said if we did this and then tried to invoke article 50 again it would need approval from the EU for us to do it which would be unlikely
As I understand it the original treaties surrounding the EU left no procedure for a country to withdraw and article 50 was quickly put in place to rectify this omission. Is it then the case that the AG is saying article 50 can be invoke unilaterally by any country only once. We would be a member of a club which legally we could never leave without the permission of the other members whatever rules that club might impose.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 13:08 - Jan 17 with 2479 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 18:27 - Jan 16 by BucksRanger
Some light relief.
Nice! Have some more light, utterly random, relief:
It made me chuckle and lifted the gloom for one brief moment. It's dedicated to LFW's very own resident tar
RFA
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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Our country is fckd match thread on 13:14 - Jan 17 with 2458 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 12:48 - Jan 17 by daveB
During the debate on Tuesday the attorney general bloke said if we did this and then tried to invoke article 50 again it would need approval from the EU for us to do it which would be unlikely
Without seeing what you're referencing - Geoffrey Cox might've been being a bit disingenuous dependent on what he exactly said...
Withdrawing Art.50 doesn't mean you can never ever trigger it again in future at all.
The CJEU ruling said the UK could withdraw / revoke Art.50 as per this article explainer...
"However, once the UK has revoked Article 50, there would be nothing stopping it from deciding to leave again. So this would be quite difficult to police, and in practice it could potentially be used to reset the two year negotiating period. This would probably make other EU member states, and officials, extremely angry however. "
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Our country is fckd match thread on 13:24 - Jan 17 with 2423 views
"However, once the UK has revoked Article 50, there would be nothing stopping it from deciding to leave again. So this would be quite difficult to police, and in practice it could potentially be used to reset the two year negotiating period. This would probably make other EU member states, and officials, extremely angry however. "
At this stage I think the EU Member states are already pretty angry / embarrassed for us anyway. If it takes revoking Article 50 to stop our country getting totally f--ked by a no deal that's come about by the total incompetence, dithering and lies from politicians over the last two years I'm all for it.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 13:29 - Jan 17 with 2408 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 13:08 - Jan 17 by R_from_afar
Nice! Have some more light, utterly random, relief:
It made me chuckle and lifted the gloom for one brief moment. It's dedicated to LFW's very own resident tar
RFA
Kipper me capstans! That be "The Flying Dustman"Cut Throat Jake's scow!He be loaded wi' eelektronic gear on be'alf o' the Rooskies.Jammed the Diebold mershines while becalmed orf Floridy... got that there flaxen 'aired Trumpy in the Whoite 'ouse.A fine toim we 'ad burnin' the place down back in the day!
Yo Ho!
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Our country is fckd match thread on 13:32 - Jan 17 with 2399 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 09:27 - Jan 17 by FDC
That performance by Gove (during which he did not mention May once! Quite transparently a leadership pitch) was absolutely vile, a greatest hits rundown of three years worth of unsubstantiated smears and innuendo. Honestly, a real microcosm of all that is wrong with British politics. Just a load of posh toffs have a jolly old time laughing at their mate's debate-club grandstanding. Cynical ad hominem politics at its worst.
I couldn’t watch more than a minute or two of that garbage.What a bunch of hypocritical w@nkers the Tory mps are.117 of them didn’t think she was fit to run their party,but all of them voted that she was fit to run the country.
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Our country is fckd match thread on 13:38 - Jan 17 with 2376 views
Our country is fckd match thread on 12:09 - Jan 17 by Mytch_QPR
Given the Labour Party's close association with the trade unions and the supposed carnage caused to manufacturing by a no deal scenario, why do you think that?
Corbyn is keeping his policy a secret. As others have said, it doesn't look good that he won't at least engage with May. That said, she should have been holding talks with the other party leaders and keeping them informed along the way previously.
The policy Corbyn is keeping secret is called 'No Deal'.
As for the trade unions, many believe the EU acts in the interests of big business and against the interests of workers and they'd be right.
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