| Sunderland ‘till I die. 19:16 - Dec 27 with 12407 views | Snipper |
Just started watching this on Netflix. The first episode they’re talking about getting back to the Premier League at the first attempt. They got thrashed by Celtic in a friendly at home a week before the season. Their fans were already turning on them.
Just about to watch the second episode of 8. Great viewing. |  | | |  |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 11:21 - Jan 2 with 2364 views | qprd |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 22:14 - Jan 1 by BAWHoops |
What’s amazing is the obsession with transfers
‘We just need one or two more in’
‘We need bodies’
‘The squad isnt big enough’
It’s a disease that’s ripping through football as players are signed for the sake of it.
They started the season with Vaughan and Grabban and ended it up with Fletcher up top.
All along they could’ve had Asoro and Maja playing who seen like good sorts.
Thoroughly enjoyed the documentary.
As for Rodwell, an easy scapegoat. What wage do we think Bain was on driving round in his custom Range Rover with his sparkling watch collection? |
agreed that rodwell was made a scapegoat
both club and player assume a risk when they sign a contract. luke freeman is probably grossly underpaid, but he has to honor his contract, just as sunderland had to honor rodwells contract. when a player overperforms their contract, the club doesn't re-up the wages, so why should a player take a cut when they underperform?
when a club wants to get rid of someone like rodwell, the common strategy is to freeze them out of the squad and make their working life so unbearable that they feel pressured to leave and find playing opportunities elsewhere. not too dissimilar to what we're doing with sylla. for clubs, they get to shift the blame for their bad decision in overpaying a player to the player, who they try to cast as lazy and unwilling to play (even though the player will never get picked). but the strategy is often stupid b/c in rodwell (and syllas case), you dramatically depress the players market value and reduce their likelihood of leaving. why would rodwell leave 70k a week with nothing lined up and a significantly reduced fetching price? having not played for a year, what would his going rate be? not one of us would leave that kind of money on the table
the whole situation actually made bain look stupid, particularly in contrast to lee hoos. qpr had this issue last year with players they had overpaid but whom no one wanted at their market price (such as borysiuk, caulker, etc). what lee hoos did is recognize that the club is better of cutting their losses- mutually terminate the agreement, pay the player off in part to get some (but not full) relief, and let them try to find football somewhere else
but for bain to expect that a player would just walk away from 70k a week with nothing else lined up... that's just the peak of stupidity... his histrionics looked for good a camera, but they really masked his own incompetence. also, it was pretty unprofessional to throw a temper tantrum in front of Ashley fletcher who they had just signed |  | | |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 13:04 - Jan 2 with 2273 views | Northernr |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 10:33 - Jan 2 by terryb |
I can't say i felt too much empathy for them.
In pre-season you had the same message from the managememnt, players & fans -
"We're too good for the Championship."
"We will be back next season in The Premier, where we belong."
"We have players like Cattermole, Rodwell etc. They are good Premier players, never mind The Championship."
None of them had a clue what awaited them due to a naivety which I found incredible.
As to Bain. Words fail me! How can you not tell your employees (scouts) what type of player they should be watching due to budget constrictions?
I also couldn't believe how many staff they employed, especially as they had made 85 redundant after relegation the previous season. A full time Fans Liaison Officer. I doubt that position still exists!
Coleman did go greatly up in my estimation though, for the text he sent to the catering staff etc. In fact, the staff seemed to be lovely people. There were just to many of them! |
I did laugh at Coleman's response to being called a prick by the supporter at the end. "I'm a married man with six kids and you're calling me a prick." Is that how pricks are defined then? Oh he can't be a prick he's had loads of kids.  |  | | |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 13:35 - Jan 2 with 2231 views | Juzzie |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 13:04 - Jan 2 by Northernr |
I did laugh at Coleman's response to being called a prick by the supporter at the end. "I'm a married man with six kids and you're calling me a prick." Is that how pricks are defined then? Oh he can't be a prick he's had loads of kids. |
If he has six kids then he definitely has a prick! |  | | |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 15:59 - Jan 2 with 2157 views | PinnerPaul |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 09:17 - Jan 2 by Northernr |
Absolutely agree on the transfer thing. Everybody, every manager, every fan, constantly talking about "needing a few more bodies in". Not sure if it's the transfer windows and deadline days, 24 hour media, Sky Sports hamming it up causing it or what.
The Observer did a run down of 20 Premier League fans on Sunday and what they thought their team needed to do in January. Only one of them (Brighton) said we're alright actually, don't need anything. Everybody else, including Liverpool, felt signings would be necessary. Three quarters of them felt their team was "desperate" for a new striker.
Chelsea are currently fending off bids of £25m for Callum Hudson-Odoi, who's barely played, and is 18 years old. Sarri says he can't pick him because he's under pressure to win games. Chelsea are also trying to spend £60m on Pulisic, who is 20 years old. Signing a kid is somehow less of a risk than playing the one you have.
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The 'media' have a lot to answer for.
365 days of the year the 'Football Gossip' pages on the BBC teletext is made up of 95% transfer 'rumours' from the newspapers
It never stops and there will be 6/7 'stories' about 'possible' summer transfers published on 1st Feb! | | | |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 19:29 - Jan 2 with 2085 views | brad |
watching it too.........compelling viewing!! | | | |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 21:41 - Jan 2 with 2023 views | Konk |
Chris Coleman and Kit Symons - both managed us, but initially did okay and both faded badly. Both probably nice blokes, but not convinced that either is any sort of deep thinker. Coleman always said that his main strength was getting players to believe in themselves, and I suspect he might not have much else to offer.
Every time I saw Jonny Williams, I was struck by how gentle and unfootbally he seemed. I could see him playing keyboards in a band in some evangelical mega-church. It was like an episode of Faking it. Good luck to the lad. Oh, and that Sports psychologist was fu cking great, "So, it seems to me, you like encouragement, yeah?"
Martin Bain - I know they were having a sh it time, but he didn't seem the most upbeat of characters. No idea what he's like off camera, but I wouldn't want to get sat opposite him at the Christmas party.
Always liked Sunderland as a club - loyal support, usually travel very well and the two Sunderland families I know are both lovely people. Hope they bounce back. [Post edited 2 Jan 2019 22:52]
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| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 04:47 - Jan 3 with 1936 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
After reading these posts I watched 6 straight episodes and found it so interesting yet very frustrating to be honest.
I have a quick question if anybody could enlighten me.How was Roddwell getting paid if he was never playing on matchdays.He said he was fit yet it looked like he didnt want to play or CC didnt pick him.What did that do in the dressing room to morale .Maybe the answer will come in later episodes .
I see clearly now how QPR survived comfortably after watching this.We had a top class keeper and defenders who bled blue for the club.
Sunderland had a useless keeper (Camp )it looked like or maybe it just showed him picking the ball out of the net all the time .
John O Shea used to be the captian for Ireland yet he looked totally lost in this documentary game after game along with the others .
I cant wait to see the rest but know there is no happy ending sadly |  | | |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 11:44 - Jan 3 with 1803 views | londonscottish |
Got to the end. Thought provoking. But a broken operation.
Absent owner. Isolated chairman. Lack of a proper joined up plan/budget. Ineffective managers/coaches. Disaffected players.
Coleman and Symons seemed nice enough but increasingly out of their depth.
The new owners looked well smarmy and pleased with themselves.
And Coleman's wife looked liked she'd lost a fight with a plastic surgery clinic. She just looked plastic. Very odd.
Anyway, I hope it works out for the club. Short's £500k a week (gulp...) has at least left them with the legacy of a great stadium, training facility and community programme. And they're still getting huge gates.
No wonder the smarmy new owners were rubbing their hands. Slash tons of backroom staff and get a scouting/youth set up going to dramatically reduce the wages and it could all start to make sense. |  |
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| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 13:19 - Jan 3 with 1715 views | qprd |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 04:47 - Jan 3 by CLAREMAN1995 |
After reading these posts I watched 6 straight episodes and found it so interesting yet very frustrating to be honest.
I have a quick question if anybody could enlighten me.How was Roddwell getting paid if he was never playing on matchdays.He said he was fit yet it looked like he didnt want to play or CC didnt pick him.What did that do in the dressing room to morale .Maybe the answer will come in later episodes .
I see clearly now how QPR survived comfortably after watching this.We had a top class keeper and defenders who bled blue for the club.
Sunderland had a useless keeper (Camp )it looked like or maybe it just showed him picking the ball out of the net all the time .
John O Shea used to be the captian for Ireland yet he looked totally lost in this documentary game after game along with the others .
I cant wait to see the rest but know there is no happy ending sadly |
Re rodwell: the way almost every contract works is that you get a guaranteed wage (irrespective of whether you play or not), and a bonus for meeting certain incentives (appearances, goals, etc).
Once the club signs that piece of paper, they are basically bound to pay the player for the duration of the contract, regardless of whether the player plays or not. If you're injured, you still get the full wage. In Rodwells case, he seemed available to play, but the club wanted to freeze him out and force him to find football elsewhere
Clubs do have the right to terminate the contract and tell the player to F off. but they are obligated to still pay the player
Clubs can sometimes terminate a player's contract and not have to pay the player. This is usually "for cause", where the player does something hes not supposed to do under contract. For instance, the club can terminate and not pay if you get arrested, commit a crime, injure yourself whilst engaging in a prohibited activity (such as playing another sport, skiing, riding a motorcycle), etc. If you recall, Sunderland terminated Gibsons contract after his drink driving
Unfortunately for clubs, the contracts are drafted in such a way so as to make it difficult to terminate a contract, even if a player is a d*ck, out of shape, etc. for instance, you would've thought that Qpr would've been able to terminate caulkers agreement given all the stupid stuff he had done with the law, but they had to settle a payoff with him. | | | |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 13:35 - Jan 3 with 1687 views | Northernr |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 11:44 - Jan 3 by londonscottish |
Got to the end. Thought provoking. But a broken operation.
Absent owner. Isolated chairman. Lack of a proper joined up plan/budget. Ineffective managers/coaches. Disaffected players.
Coleman and Symons seemed nice enough but increasingly out of their depth.
The new owners looked well smarmy and pleased with themselves.
And Coleman's wife looked liked she'd lost a fight with a plastic surgery clinic. She just looked plastic. Very odd.
Anyway, I hope it works out for the club. Short's £500k a week (gulp...) has at least left them with the legacy of a great stadium, training facility and community programme. And they're still getting huge gates.
No wonder the smarmy new owners were rubbing their hands. Slash tons of backroom staff and get a scouting/youth set up going to dramatically reduce the wages and it could all start to make sense. |
To be fair, new owner seems to be doing alright. Very highly rated young manager, looking very likely to get promoted. | | | |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 23:20 - Jan 3 with 1522 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 13:19 - Jan 3 by qprd |
Re rodwell: the way almost every contract works is that you get a guaranteed wage (irrespective of whether you play or not), and a bonus for meeting certain incentives (appearances, goals, etc).
Once the club signs that piece of paper, they are basically bound to pay the player for the duration of the contract, regardless of whether the player plays or not. If you're injured, you still get the full wage. In Rodwells case, he seemed available to play, but the club wanted to freeze him out and force him to find football elsewhere
Clubs do have the right to terminate the contract and tell the player to F off. but they are obligated to still pay the player
Clubs can sometimes terminate a player's contract and not have to pay the player. This is usually "for cause", where the player does something hes not supposed to do under contract. For instance, the club can terminate and not pay if you get arrested, commit a crime, injure yourself whilst engaging in a prohibited activity (such as playing another sport, skiing, riding a motorcycle), etc. If you recall, Sunderland terminated Gibsons contract after his drink driving
Unfortunately for clubs, the contracts are drafted in such a way so as to make it difficult to terminate a contract, even if a player is a d*ck, out of shape, etc. for instance, you would've thought that Qpr would've been able to terminate caulkers agreement given all the stupid stuff he had done with the law, but they had to settle a payoff with him. |
Thank you for that excellent response ,I just felt bad that the team were sinking fast with tired bodies and he did not help out or it looked that way . | | | |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 09:24 - Jan 4 with 1409 views | LowerloftLad |
everyone is sunderland has convinced themselves there such a big club that it has to be mentioned every 5minutes. the whole club is deluded from top to bottom |  |
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| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 10:26 - Jan 4 with 1363 views | Konk |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 09:24 - Jan 4 by LowerloftLad |
everyone is sunderland has convinced themselves there such a big club that it has to be mentioned every 5minutes. the whole club is deluded from top to bottom |
They are a big club. You don’t get 46,000+ playing Bradford at home on Boxing Day in 3rd place, in the 3rd division unless you’re a big club. Took almost 8,000 to Blackpool on NYD. Given the size of the place, the economics of the area and the fact they have spent the past 7(?) years either on the brink of relegation or getting relegated, with an absentee owner, to be averaging over 30k in that division is excellent. Not Man Utd, but still a big, historic club, and the fans I know are suitably humble about their post heyday achievements. I’d love to see them win something one day. | |
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| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 13:19 - Oct 11 with 950 views | Toast_R |
I see old Wild Thing is talking to them about the manager job.
Interesting choice, can make or break his career. |  | | |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 13:37 - Oct 11 with 911 views | Miss_Terraces |
| Sunderland ‘till I die. on 13:19 - Oct 11 by Toast_R |
I see old Wild Thing is talking to them about the manager job.
Interesting choice, can make or break his career. |
Good chance to show his music off  | |
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