| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:26 - Sep 15 with 1638 views | Konk |
As a Labour supporter, I think there’s a complete dearth of talent in the parliamentary party at the moment — and that was the case before the likes of Hunt and Reeves declined to serve in the Shadow cabinet (both pi ss poor performers whenever I’ve seen or heard them in the media). I’ve voted unenthusiastically for Labour for years and more out of habit than genuine conviction. I’ve not agreed with many policies and I’ve been completely unconvinced by the senior members of the party. Regardless of which of the four had won the leadership election, I couldn’t see Labour winning the next election, but at least with Corbyn there’s a Labour party that actually believes in something other than being a bit nicer than the Tories, but being almost apologetic about it.
It may well turn out to be a disaster, but I’ll wait and see before rushing to judgement. When people look at the success of Blair, they forget that after 18 years of Tory government, people were ready for a change. Major hadn’t been a popular leader, the Tories were embroiled in a long-running civil war over Europe and Blair ran against Howard, Hague and IDS; hardly the most formidable of rivals. He was very fortunate with his timing. Labour got some basic things wrong at the last election — completely outflanked by the SNP on the subject of austerity and running with Ed Balls as prospective Chancellor being two of the more obvious ones. If Corbyn can convince people he’s not a lunatic, they might respond positively to a Labour leader with genuine Labour convictions in large enough numbers to at least deliver a hung parliament with the chance of then forming a coalition (NB. I doubt he’ll be leader by the GE, but you never know). |  |
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:28 - Sep 15 with 1634 views | paulparker |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:26 - Sep 15 by Konk |
As a Labour supporter, I think there’s a complete dearth of talent in the parliamentary party at the moment — and that was the case before the likes of Hunt and Reeves declined to serve in the Shadow cabinet (both pi ss poor performers whenever I’ve seen or heard them in the media). I’ve voted unenthusiastically for Labour for years and more out of habit than genuine conviction. I’ve not agreed with many policies and I’ve been completely unconvinced by the senior members of the party. Regardless of which of the four had won the leadership election, I couldn’t see Labour winning the next election, but at least with Corbyn there’s a Labour party that actually believes in something other than being a bit nicer than the Tories, but being almost apologetic about it.
It may well turn out to be a disaster, but I’ll wait and see before rushing to judgement. When people look at the success of Blair, they forget that after 18 years of Tory government, people were ready for a change. Major hadn’t been a popular leader, the Tories were embroiled in a long-running civil war over Europe and Blair ran against Howard, Hague and IDS; hardly the most formidable of rivals. He was very fortunate with his timing. Labour got some basic things wrong at the last election — completely outflanked by the SNP on the subject of austerity and running with Ed Balls as prospective Chancellor being two of the more obvious ones. If Corbyn can convince people he’s not a lunatic, they might respond positively to a Labour leader with genuine Labour convictions in large enough numbers to at least deliver a hung parliament with the chance of then forming a coalition (NB. I doubt he’ll be leader by the GE, but you never know). |
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| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:36 - Sep 15 with 1615 views | paulparker |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:26 - Sep 15 by Konk |
As a Labour supporter, I think there’s a complete dearth of talent in the parliamentary party at the moment — and that was the case before the likes of Hunt and Reeves declined to serve in the Shadow cabinet (both pi ss poor performers whenever I’ve seen or heard them in the media). I’ve voted unenthusiastically for Labour for years and more out of habit than genuine conviction. I’ve not agreed with many policies and I’ve been completely unconvinced by the senior members of the party. Regardless of which of the four had won the leadership election, I couldn’t see Labour winning the next election, but at least with Corbyn there’s a Labour party that actually believes in something other than being a bit nicer than the Tories, but being almost apologetic about it.
It may well turn out to be a disaster, but I’ll wait and see before rushing to judgement. When people look at the success of Blair, they forget that after 18 years of Tory government, people were ready for a change. Major hadn’t been a popular leader, the Tories were embroiled in a long-running civil war over Europe and Blair ran against Howard, Hague and IDS; hardly the most formidable of rivals. He was very fortunate with his timing. Labour got some basic things wrong at the last election — completely outflanked by the SNP on the subject of austerity and running with Ed Balls as prospective Chancellor being two of the more obvious ones. If Corbyn can convince people he’s not a lunatic, they might respond positively to a Labour leader with genuine Labour convictions in large enough numbers to at least deliver a hung parliament with the chance of then forming a coalition (NB. I doubt he’ll be leader by the GE, but you never know). |
Good post Konk
Problem i can see for Corbyn is the mainstream media,
they will rubbish him , make him out to be a crackpot, a danger to Britain (he may well be, who knows)
everything and anything he says will be shot down as nonsense ,
i agree with you and dont think he will be leader for a GE , maybe the powers that be want an old labour man in charge for now so they can rubbish him and then re introduce a blair clone so "New Labour " can be reborn again | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:52 - Sep 15 with 1594 views | Phildo |
I met someone who had been a senior civil servant in the Blair years and under Major last night. He is still on terms with a lot of the old guard. He told me that the former Blairites believe that the unions made a move to take over the party during Milibands time and are now in total control. He said they do not believe the voting numbers for Corbyn - they think lots of far left activists signed up multiple times to vote. He said the lesson will be how easy it is for extremists to take control of a party in our system now because of low party membership numbers. He also know McDonnell personally and when i asked what he was like he just said 'Barking'. He is retired now so no particular axe to grind and is not a fan of Cameron and co either.
I am not sure I agree with this interpretation of how Corbyn got elected but it is interesting in that it shows what is going on inside the labour party. Going to be very interesting to watch. |  | | |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:56 - Sep 15 with 1587 views | ElHoop |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:36 - Sep 15 by paulparker |
Good post Konk
Problem i can see for Corbyn is the mainstream media,
they will rubbish him , make him out to be a crackpot, a danger to Britain (he may well be, who knows)
everything and anything he says will be shot down as nonsense ,
i agree with you and dont think he will be leader for a GE , maybe the powers that be want an old labour man in charge for now so they can rubbish him and then re introduce a blair clone so "New Labour " can be reborn again |
What's the 'mainstream media' these days then which will rubbish him then?
There isn't one any more. Mainstream media is more about people talking to each other about stuff. Big media, big political parties - all gone. I suspect that he'll end up making a good enough fist of rubbishing himself anyway, but I reckon he'll get a fair chance to prove himself. As good as IDS got anyway, without anywhere near as much concentration of media power. |  | | |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 15:08 - Sep 15 with 1572 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:52 - Sep 15 by Phildo |
I met someone who had been a senior civil servant in the Blair years and under Major last night. He is still on terms with a lot of the old guard. He told me that the former Blairites believe that the unions made a move to take over the party during Milibands time and are now in total control. He said they do not believe the voting numbers for Corbyn - they think lots of far left activists signed up multiple times to vote. He said the lesson will be how easy it is for extremists to take control of a party in our system now because of low party membership numbers. He also know McDonnell personally and when i asked what he was like he just said 'Barking'. He is retired now so no particular axe to grind and is not a fan of Cameron and co either.
I am not sure I agree with this interpretation of how Corbyn got elected but it is interesting in that it shows what is going on inside the labour party. Going to be very interesting to watch. |
Oh the conspiracy theories are in full swing then LOL
Maybe you should call the Sun newspaper with that LOL
Did you know Harold Wilson was a Soviet agent........
"they think lots of far left activists signed up multiple times to vote"
Must be a lot of left activists, 30.000 people joined the Labour party in the last few days... bit late to vote mind. [Post edited 15 Sep 2015 15:36]
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 15:11 - Sep 15 with 1562 views | paulparker |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:56 - Sep 15 by ElHoop |
What's the 'mainstream media' these days then which will rubbish him then?
There isn't one any more. Mainstream media is more about people talking to each other about stuff. Big media, big political parties - all gone. I suspect that he'll end up making a good enough fist of rubbishing himself anyway, but I reckon he'll get a fair chance to prove himself. As good as IDS got anyway, without anywhere near as much concentration of media power. |
ok your then your papers , news channels, poltical chat shows , radio phone ins ,
social media outlets ,
at the end of the day the media will want him to be what they want him to be
either an old wacky socialist with far out ideas or a fist pumping MP who is going to change things and stuff it to cameron
i could be totally wrong ( and more than likely will be) but i do think in 3 or 4 years time we will see a Blair clone and another "new Labour " emerge out of this | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 15:22 - Sep 15 with 1536 views | ElHoop |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:52 - Sep 15 by Phildo |
I met someone who had been a senior civil servant in the Blair years and under Major last night. He is still on terms with a lot of the old guard. He told me that the former Blairites believe that the unions made a move to take over the party during Milibands time and are now in total control. He said they do not believe the voting numbers for Corbyn - they think lots of far left activists signed up multiple times to vote. He said the lesson will be how easy it is for extremists to take control of a party in our system now because of low party membership numbers. He also know McDonnell personally and when i asked what he was like he just said 'Barking'. He is retired now so no particular axe to grind and is not a fan of Cameron and co either.
I am not sure I agree with this interpretation of how Corbyn got elected but it is interesting in that it shows what is going on inside the labour party. Going to be very interesting to watch. |
I don't think that the unions are in a position to take over anything - they are skint and their numbers are declining all of the time. They and the Labour party need to be more relevant - they just seem boring and riddled with tired old cliches.
With regard to who actually voted, I suspect that a lot of young people signed up. My own eldest son, previously politically disinterested paid his £3 and voted for Corbyn. He's perceived as interesting in a very dull game, so quite a few young people took it upon themselves to spend £3 to get him in I think, but I also think that existing members of the Labour Party also preferred him. It's like £3 is an affordable act of sabotage for kids fed up with the existing political mafia. | | | |
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 15:40 - Sep 15 with 1506 views | Konk |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 15:11 - Sep 15 by paulparker |
ok your then your papers , news channels, poltical chat shows , radio phone ins ,
social media outlets ,
at the end of the day the media will want him to be what they want him to be
either an old wacky socialist with far out ideas or a fist pumping MP who is going to change things and stuff it to cameron
i could be totally wrong ( and more than likely will be) but i do think in 3 or 4 years time we will see a Blair clone and another "new Labour " emerge out of this |
He’ll fail to get a fair hearing from sections of the press, but he needs to help himself. Refusing to talk to the press when he came out of the meeting the other night was pretty poor. He was probably knackered and the last thing he needed was hostile press hassling him in the early hours, but it was like one of those, “Will you resign? Will you be resigning? Will you resign?” door-steppings you get when a minister’s been caught embezzling funds whilst humping a dog at the Despatch box. All he had to do was flash them a smile and say, “It’s been a long day, we’ll have some news for you in the morning, now if you’ll excuse me I’m off to bed”.
I was actually impressed with him during the Hustings debates — he stayed calm and got his point across whilst Burnham, Cooper and Kendall were having a pop and desperately trying to expose him as some sort of lunatic liability. On the argument against austerity, I think he has the potential to win a lot of people over to Labour’s cause and get disaffected Labour voters back on board. | |
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 15:53 - Sep 15 with 1481 views | ElHoop |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 15:11 - Sep 15 by paulparker |
ok your then your papers , news channels, poltical chat shows , radio phone ins ,
social media outlets ,
at the end of the day the media will want him to be what they want him to be
either an old wacky socialist with far out ideas or a fist pumping MP who is going to change things and stuff it to cameron
i could be totally wrong ( and more than likely will be) but i do think in 3 or 4 years time we will see a Blair clone and another "new Labour " emerge out of this |
I don't think that enough people listen to or watch anything in particular in enough depth to be massively influenced in sufficient numbers.
I see that Watson is a computer gamer and that Greek geezer Varoufakis worked in computer gaming - my son is massively into it too and he signed up to vote for Corbyn. I'm developing a theory that computer gamers are going to take over the world, but whilst that really is barking mad, I think that these people do think in somewhat different ways - they've gone digital or something I fear! I don't understand computer games anyway. | | | |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 16:05 - Sep 15 with 1455 views | TheBlob |
I think he needs a manager,one who can steer him through some awkward situations eg. actually meeting the public.Shame Max Clifford is banged up really. |  |
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 16:29 - Sep 15 with 1428 views | captainmycaptian |
Got to agree with those who say we will see a new new labour appearing after Corbin with out doubt this is to kill of the real left and have another Blair after we pis sed of with the Tories helping the rich. I think it will be in the form of chucker what's his name ? Spouting Obama type drivel change ect hope I am wrong but I think the political lot work hand in glove like a pantomime and the only ones paying for it are the people. |  | | |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 16:39 - Sep 15 with 2337 views | Konk |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 16:05 - Sep 15 by TheBlob |
I think he needs a manager,one who can steer him through some awkward situations eg. actually meeting the public.Shame Max Clifford is banged up really. |
He seemed very relaxed mixing with the general public when I saw him out and about round my way the other week. Think he might just struggle with mixing with the media.
Impressed to see Simon Danczuk all over the media this morning airing his concerns about whether or not Corbyn would wear a white poppy on Remembrance Sunday. Very helpful and something that everyone should be focussing on two months before the event. It's gonna be like the Terry & Bridge, Terry &Ferdinand, Terry & June handshakes all over again... | |
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 17:22 - Sep 15 with 2298 views | TacticalR |
I noticed in yesterday's papers there were a lot of 'Corby wants to get rid of the army' stories. (Surely he loves such nationalised industries?).
I didn't see any 'Corby ate my hamster' or 'My three-in-a-bed romp with Jezza' stories, but it can only be a matter of time. |  |
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 17:39 - Sep 15 with 2272 views | Dorse |
'Jezza Sez Yessir to Lezza' - Mr Corbyn agrees to speak at the LGBT conference
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 17:39 - Sep 15 with 2272 views | Konk |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 17:22 - Sep 15 by TacticalR |
I noticed in yesterday's papers there were a lot of 'Corby wants to get rid of the army' stories. (Surely he loves such nationalised industries?).
I didn't see any 'Corby ate my hamster' or 'My three-in-a-bed romp with Jezza' stories, but it can only be a matter of time. |
RED LUNATIC PLOTS END OF BRITISH LIFE
Concerned MOD sources today revealed that Corbyn is a cold war sleeper plotting to hand the keys to No.10 over to his handlers in the Kremlin/Beijing/Paris once he has destroyed the British economy, banned the English language and dismantled the armed forces, police forces and cub scout movement. In a shocking development they also revealed that the Queen will be forced to work as a sex slave in a damp bedsit, whilst Prince Philip will be ridden like a donkey on Blackpool beach... | |
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 17:42 - Sep 15 with 2266 views | TacticalR |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 17:39 - Sep 15 by Konk |
RED LUNATIC PLOTS END OF BRITISH LIFE
Concerned MOD sources today revealed that Corbyn is a cold war sleeper plotting to hand the keys to No.10 over to his handlers in the Kremlin/Beijing/Paris once he has destroyed the British economy, banned the English language and dismantled the armed forces, police forces and cub scout movement. In a shocking development they also revealed that the Queen will be forced to work as a sex slave in a damp bedsit, whilst Prince Philip will be ridden like a donkey on Blackpool beach... |
I thought the British capitalist class had already outsourced the economy to Beijing? | |
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 17:54 - Sep 15 with 2243 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Well the Tories have just handed Labour 500k + votes
Tax credits cuts passes Commons vote | |
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 17:57 - Sep 15 with 2237 views | simmo |
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 18:20 - Sep 15 with 2210 views | TheBlob |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 17:39 - Sep 15 by Konk |
RED LUNATIC PLOTS END OF BRITISH LIFE
Concerned MOD sources today revealed that Corbyn is a cold war sleeper plotting to hand the keys to No.10 over to his handlers in the Kremlin/Beijing/Paris once he has destroyed the British economy, banned the English language and dismantled the armed forces, police forces and cub scout movement. In a shocking development they also revealed that the Queen will be forced to work as a sex slave in a damp bedsit, whilst Prince Philip will be ridden like a donkey on Blackpool beach... |
No need since we're already in bed with the Russians and the Chinese,the French can do one as per usual.
No,Jeremy may turn out to be the Judas Goat - dragging his radical chums to oblivion.Having been deposed by a moderate then everyone will breathe a sigh of relief and tread over each other in a stampede to the polling booths in support of Even Newer Labour. | |
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 19:13 - Sep 15 with 2177 views | Dorse |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 18:20 - Sep 15 by TheBlob |
No need since we're already in bed with the Russians and the Chinese,the French can do one as per usual.
No,Jeremy may turn out to be the Judas Goat - dragging his radical chums to oblivion.Having been deposed by a moderate then everyone will breathe a sigh of relief and tread over each other in a stampede to the polling booths in support of Even Newer Labour. |
It will be re-branded like a perfume ad:
'La Bour No:3 - pour l'homme, pour femme'
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 20:08 - Sep 15 with 2140 views | HollowayRanger |
from what I can tell
corbyn will be for the poor
is pro immigration
pro unions
more tax the of the middle class
tax and more tax for high earners
hates royal family
wants out of nato
scrap our nuclear weapons
give up falklands
also noticed he wouldnt sing national anthem today at st pauls as they remembered the battle of Britain 75 years ago today ,how can we have a leader who wont sing the countrys national anthen!!!! |  |
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| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 20:57 - Sep 15 with 2103 views | Brightonhoop |
There's a perfect storm brewing.
Unions are now saying if Cameron can scrap Union and Workers rights in EU Legislation, including the Human Rights Act, what's the point of being in the EU? And will steer Labour to leave the EU. They have a point.
The Tories are making fools of themselves as usual, all kinds of scare stories insulting the intelligence of the electorate. This discussion could not and would not have happened under Milliband. And the Press, lead by Sky and Murdoch, dont like having to play by different rules, and Corbyn has stuck it right up 'em in a matter of days.
I like the fact Corbyn did not sing the National Anthem, and talked afterwards of his pride of his mother as an air raid warden in the War and his father in the Home Guard, both were decorated for their work. Not sure you can be more patriotic than that, but that's not a media agenda. The media are great at shutting down debate. They have more in common with ISIS than they realise. The way they are depicting Corbyn, you ge t the impression they would not give a second thought to beheading him.
The point of winning the second world war, and regarding those honoured today with the reverance they richly deserve taking on the Lufftwaffe, was to secure freedoms in the UK that would entitle any man to choose whether or not to sing the National Anthem. That irony seems lost, however, and if elected I sincerely hope Corbyn cuts the BBC's Charter to ribbons and let's them sink for the worthless entity and financial burden on the UK they have become.
I think also Cameron is trying to pick a fight with the remaining Unions in the UK, thinking he can take them on and win like Thatcher did with the NUM, only Cameron hasn't got the whit or the b4lls she had, and will suffer a crushing defeat. Said it before 2020 is too late, Family Tax Credits will now dissapear as of last nights vote in HoC, 500,000 more families condemned to survive on less.
The Tories now have a fight on their hands and they are not ready, fat, complacent, arrogant and spineless. They present as the political wing of Corporate terrorists. The Unions are on a crest of a wave. And the only way to bring about change will be to bring Cameron down via a vote of no confidence, likely generated through a General Strike, in the months ahead.
I wonder what the US make of it all? UK's possible exit from Nato and scrapping Trident to spend the Billions on national infrastructure health and education instead. Interesting times ahead, that's for sure. |  | | |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 21:01 - Sep 15 with 2099 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:16 - Sep 15 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Another dead thread where no one is really reading what each other is saying but are still happy to throw their own tuppence worth in. |
That's what I do with all of 'em. | | | |
| Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 21:07 - Sep 15 with 2094 views | RosieG |
The best bit of the saturday morning was when the Liebour NEC idiot said "can we do this quick as Chelsea kick off at 12.30"
So Chelsea scum are really left wing, they will take the wind of a few on here.
Are Rangers right wing? I am thank god. | | | |
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