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A BIZARRE LOVE TRIANGLE OF Corbyn , Dianne Abbott and Dennis Skinner is not my idea of a FINE TIME, although A PERFECT KISS, from Caroline Flint dressed as Servalan from Blakes 7, would make me feel like ive been TOUCHED BY THE HAND OF GOD.
A JOY DIVISION OF young people dressed as Charlie Bucket, have shown TRUE FAITH in Corbyn . Leaving the 1922 committee in SHELLSHOCK, laughing their fackn heads off in the Wigmore club at the STATE OF THE NATION. A NEW ORDER of David Lammy and Sadiq Khan really is TEMPTATION for me to get on the piss.
I cant wait for the THE UNKNOWN PLEASURES of seeing Corbyn at his first Prime ministers question time in a George Roper demob suit....poor Harriet Harman, SHES LOST CONTROL. It would seem.. .EVERYHINGS GONE GREEN as Corbyn will use solar panels at his cabinet meetings to set the WORLD IN MOTION.Lets hope He does'nt resort to POWER, CORRUPTION AND LIES and proves to be a man of SUBSTANCE.
....And there's a taste in my mouth, As desperation takes hold.
[Post edited 12 Sep 2015 9:15]
The Duke Of New York. A-Number One.
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 00:00 - Sep 15 with 2101 views
It's one thing to have political views on education, but quite another to sacrifice your marriage and the upbringing of your child in the name of those views. The boy has two parents, not one. This was very poor.
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 11:18 - Sep 15 with 1929 views
It's one thing to have political views on education, but quite another to sacrifice your marriage and the upbringing of your child in the name of those views. The boy has two parents, not one. This was very poor.
If your marriage 'breaks down' over where your child goes to Secondary school, it's probably not that secure anyway... It seems odd that his wife would be with a man, who she knew had far left beliefs, and then decide to not be married to him anymore when he makes a decision based on those principles.
ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 11:20 - Sep 15 with 1926 views
Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 11:18 - Sep 15 by simmo
If your marriage 'breaks down' over where your child goes to Secondary school, it's probably not that secure anyway... It seems odd that his wife would be with a man, who she knew had far left beliefs, and then decide to not be married to him anymore when he makes a decision based on those principles.
I can't go along with that Simmo. He is first and foremost a parent.
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 11:34 - Sep 15 with 1905 views
I'm Labour but I never voted for Blair, to far to the right but I'm not left wing, some middle ground must be found, none of the others would have been better or won an GE
I'm willing to wait a year or so for things to settle and see what polices they come up with, from their mouths and not the right wing press, I include the BBC in that.
Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 11:20 - Sep 15 by ElHoop
I can't go along with that Simmo. He is first and foremost a parent.
But first and foremost you haven't a clue about the inner workings of his marriage, the extent of love between he and his wife and where it was all heading anyway prior to 'school-gate'. Anyone married knows you don't go judging other relationships, it's just not possible and you never truly understand another couple's dynamic. It may be more convenient to judge Corbyn on this basis to underpin preconceived ideas but it can only be fallacious.
Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 11:40 - Sep 15 by jamois
But first and foremost you haven't a clue about the inner workings of his marriage, the extent of love between he and his wife and where it was all heading anyway prior to 'school-gate'. Anyone married knows you don't go judging other relationships, it's just not possible and you never truly understand another couple's dynamic. It may be more convenient to judge Corbyn on this basis to underpin preconceived ideas but it can only be fallacious.
Look it's not compulsory to agree with me on this one. It's something that I've quite strong views about. I don't think that any politician should be hung up for a) aspiring to a universal educational system and b) in the meantime wanting the best education for his/her child. I think that it's possible to aspire to both. It's not like the kid has any real choice as to which school he goes to, so I think that the mother is correct in seeking the best option for him, and in any event Corbyn only has a 50% interest in the discussion unless he's a sexist.
Furthermore, if he wasn't prepared to compromise over this then why would he compromise over anything else as Labour leader? And if he will compromise over Labour policy then why wouldn't he compromise over his son's education? Which is more important? I agree that we don't know all of the facts about his various marriages, but if we only discussed things about which we knew all of the facts, it would be pretty quiet round here. As it stands, I find this episode worrying.
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 12:16 - Sep 15 with 1851 views
It's a debateable point but I would argues that the reasons Labour lost in May were that a) they were not seen as economically credible by the electorate b) they were out of touch on widespread concern over the level of immigration, allowing UKIP to garner votes which, ultimately, cost Labour seats
Has the election of Corbyn convinced the electorate (the majority out of all 25m of them) that they are better on those two major issues? IMHO, the answer is a resounding NO, which is why I repeat my assertion that in the next GE they could easily do worse than they did in 1983 under Michael Foot. Foot was a charismatic left-winger who had many a run-in with the party establishment.
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 12:20 - Sep 15 with 1848 views
Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 12:16 - Sep 15 by derbyhoop
It's a debateable point but I would argues that the reasons Labour lost in May were that a) they were not seen as economically credible by the electorate b) they were out of touch on widespread concern over the level of immigration, allowing UKIP to garner votes which, ultimately, cost Labour seats
Has the election of Corbyn convinced the electorate (the majority out of all 25m of them) that they are better on those two major issues? IMHO, the answer is a resounding NO, which is why I repeat my assertion that in the next GE they could easily do worse than they did in 1983 under Michael Foot. Foot was a charismatic left-winger who had many a run-in with the party establishment.
Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 11:34 - Sep 15 by 2Thomas2Bowles
I'm Labour but I never voted for Blair, to far to the right but I'm not left wing, some middle ground must be found, none of the others would have been better or won an GE
I'm willing to wait a year or so for things to settle and see what polices they come up with, from their mouths and not the right wing press, I include the BBC in that.
Nobody ever admits to voting for Blair.How the f*ck did he get elected? Come on,own up.
Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 12:03 - Sep 15 by ElHoop
Look it's not compulsory to agree with me on this one. It's something that I've quite strong views about. I don't think that any politician should be hung up for a) aspiring to a universal educational system and b) in the meantime wanting the best education for his/her child. I think that it's possible to aspire to both. It's not like the kid has any real choice as to which school he goes to, so I think that the mother is correct in seeking the best option for him, and in any event Corbyn only has a 50% interest in the discussion unless he's a sexist.
Furthermore, if he wasn't prepared to compromise over this then why would he compromise over anything else as Labour leader? And if he will compromise over Labour policy then why wouldn't he compromise over his son's education? Which is more important? I agree that we don't know all of the facts about his various marriages, but if we only discussed things about which we knew all of the facts, it would be pretty quiet round here. As it stands, I find this episode worrying.
its an interesting one.
He so loved the world that he sacrificed his only son.
I remember those words every sunday been dragged to church.
I guess Corbyn feels the same. He wants a free education system available to all and the abolition of fees. Its very noble that all children should be able to access the same system.
In my view it's bonkers but you have to admire a guy who has risked his wife and child for what he truly believes in.
I know I wouldn't.
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 13:11 - Sep 15 with 1744 views
I'm not a Corbyn or labour support. But some of the over reaction to his election has been ridiculous. He's a threat to national security give us a break. Sun's headline today outlining him as a Hypocrite - a complete load of rubbish http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/15/the-sun-newspaper-corbyn-privy-counci The media seem intent on personal attacks. Stick to the politics, I'm sure his old school left wing thinking will make it hard enough to win an election. It just seems anyone who doesn't come the accepted group, is torn to shreds
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 13:15 - Sep 15 with 1739 views
Having done state schools then fee-paying (didn't pay) I would never in a million years send any child of mine to a state school. (not in inner London anyway)
How dare anyone want to take away that choice.
Beer and Beef has made us what we are - The Prince Regent
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 13:32 - Sep 15 with 1724 views
I find the Corbyn appointment depressing. Political suicide.
Corbyn has been an outsider his whole life. With no influence or future in the Labour Party he’s been well placed to sit on the back benches, making lots of noise and attacking decisions at every opportunity on a populist platform. And let’s be honest, who can argue with a lot of the far left’s principles, especially when it comes to fairness and helping the most in need. The problem is, in reality, it’s not about the principles you hold but how you can persuade the people and businesses of this country to come with you and buy into your vision. History has shown you can’t ‘command’ people and certain parts of our way of life can be tweaked but generally have to be accepted. You can’t force people to do things, so in the end it comes down to getting a balance — ‘old labour in our hearts, new labour in our means’ as Gordon Brown once said.
This romantic view of the anti-establishment leader that’s willing to stand up for the most needy is all well and good, but Britain has never been a revolutionary country. Your far more likely to succeed in bringing about change (however small), if you work within the establishment and don’t frighten middle England. With Corbyn and his mate at the helm that’s just not going to happen. As I said at the beginning, as an outsider it’s easy to take pot shots and argue at everything. When your suddenly in a position of influence and need to have support, it’s not so easy.
Although very different, the appointment of Corbyn brings back memories of Paul Harte — you just know it isn’t going to work.
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 22:37 - Sep 14 by 1BobbyHazell
Very interesting post captain. Like you say the Tories are never going to genuinely represent a man like yourself and the Labour of the Blair years did little for the UK worker whilst continuing many a Thatcher agenda.
Which is why Corbs is generating a bit of excitement, as you say, you find yourself agreeing with some things he says. I'd suggest making sure that in the following weeks/months you listen to things from him straight from the horses mouth and not via a 'journalists' opinion/spin/deliberate misrepresentation of him. Listen directly to him, cast aside pre judgements and the 'he's a lunatic cries' of those who have never heard him speak and make your own mind up. True democracy.
but bob I can see corbin pulling out some crazy stuff as regards immigration/boycoting Israel I saw some where plus other stuff the nuclear arms I could be persuaded on and to spend the money on us the people the country. most importantly what I hope he remembers is the labour party was set up to help uk workers not to play games for the political classes esp north london champagne socialist types that I really do despise and feel that they despise me. Which is half the reasoni distance my self from them they seem to look down on my type now. Corbin could rebuild the north england again taking the pressure of londonhe could do a lot of good but cecertain things like keeping the uk togerther i just can not see him doing it (might not be a bad thing )?
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 13:57 - Sep 15 with 1676 views
Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 13:32 - Sep 15 by PhilmyRs
I find the Corbyn appointment depressing. Political suicide.
Corbyn has been an outsider his whole life. With no influence or future in the Labour Party he’s been well placed to sit on the back benches, making lots of noise and attacking decisions at every opportunity on a populist platform. And let’s be honest, who can argue with a lot of the far left’s principles, especially when it comes to fairness and helping the most in need. The problem is, in reality, it’s not about the principles you hold but how you can persuade the people and businesses of this country to come with you and buy into your vision. History has shown you can’t ‘command’ people and certain parts of our way of life can be tweaked but generally have to be accepted. You can’t force people to do things, so in the end it comes down to getting a balance — ‘old labour in our hearts, new labour in our means’ as Gordon Brown once said.
This romantic view of the anti-establishment leader that’s willing to stand up for the most needy is all well and good, but Britain has never been a revolutionary country. Your far more likely to succeed in bringing about change (however small), if you work within the establishment and don’t frighten middle England. With Corbyn and his mate at the helm that’s just not going to happen. As I said at the beginning, as an outsider it’s easy to take pot shots and argue at everything. When your suddenly in a position of influence and need to have support, it’s not so easy.
Although very different, the appointment of Corbyn brings back memories of Paul Harte — you just know it isn’t going to work.
totally agree. None of his policies will happen. Said it a million times. Politicians don't run countries high ranking civil servants do.
He'll go into a meeting with some high ranking financial civil servant. I know you promised that mr corbyn but its not going to happen. Lets do it this way instead.
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:00 - Sep 15 with 1670 views
Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 13:32 - Sep 15 by PhilmyRs
I find the Corbyn appointment depressing. Political suicide.
Corbyn has been an outsider his whole life. With no influence or future in the Labour Party he’s been well placed to sit on the back benches, making lots of noise and attacking decisions at every opportunity on a populist platform. And let’s be honest, who can argue with a lot of the far left’s principles, especially when it comes to fairness and helping the most in need. The problem is, in reality, it’s not about the principles you hold but how you can persuade the people and businesses of this country to come with you and buy into your vision. History has shown you can’t ‘command’ people and certain parts of our way of life can be tweaked but generally have to be accepted. You can’t force people to do things, so in the end it comes down to getting a balance — ‘old labour in our hearts, new labour in our means’ as Gordon Brown once said.
This romantic view of the anti-establishment leader that’s willing to stand up for the most needy is all well and good, but Britain has never been a revolutionary country. Your far more likely to succeed in bringing about change (however small), if you work within the establishment and don’t frighten middle England. With Corbyn and his mate at the helm that’s just not going to happen. As I said at the beginning, as an outsider it’s easy to take pot shots and argue at everything. When your suddenly in a position of influence and need to have support, it’s not so easy.
Although very different, the appointment of Corbyn brings back memories of Paul Harte — you just know it isn’t going to work.
Agree with a lot of that.
I'm not so bothered by his politics; some I agree with, some I don't, but that's true of most politicians. Obviously some people on here will hate his politics, but most of them wouldn't vote Labour even if Margaret Thatcher came back from the dead and was elected leader of the Labour Party.
But he's 66 and he's never held any sort of political office. Ken Livingstone has similar politics but he's at least been mayor of London. Even if Corbyn is 100% right about everything, making him PM is like making NorthernR manager of QPR, it's a different skill set.
And his supporters just don't look representative of Britain as a whole. I don't mind them, a lot of them are a lot like me, but to be PM you've got to appeal across the board not just to one sub-set. Blair had Mandleson, Gordon Brown and Prescott at the top table - say what you like about all those guys, that's quite a spread of social and political backgrounds in just those four names.
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:16 - Sep 15 by BazzaInTheLoft
Another dead thread where no one is really reading what each other is saying but are still happy to throw their own tuppence worth in.
Agreed mate. Everyone is taking their opinion here as fact. Corbyn unelectable etc, etc No-one on here as any idea how the political landscape will pan out over the next 5 years . Lets just all watch this space!
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Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:25 - Sep 15 with 1632 views
Labour Leadership Result at 11am !! on 14:16 - Sep 15 by BazzaInTheLoft
Another dead thread where no one is really reading what each other is saying but are still happy to throw their own tuppence worth in.
makes a change as the blame normally lies with those those nasty right wing extremists who seem to hijack polical threads on here with there own nasty right wing agendas
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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