| Public sector pay 09:10 - Dec 11 with 9015 views | raynor94 |
Government recommending 2.8% rise, with inflation running at 2.6 %.
Will be interesting to see what the pay review body say, but this looks like a collision course for the government |  |
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| Public sector pay on 22:33 - Dec 11 with 945 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 22:24 - Dec 11 by max936 |
My eldest works in the public sector.
If you're in environmental law what are you doing, look at the state of our rivers and watercourses, fly tipping and other environmental issues, you need to concentrate on those things and not get bogged down by pensioners getting the triple lock. |
That's not what I do, I'm in environmental impact assessment.
But it's the same old story. Less money from government to prosecute people.
That extra £10 billion plus could go a long way. |  | | |
| Public sector pay on 22:43 - Dec 11 with 919 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 22:20 - Dec 11 by majorraglan |
I’ve just had a butchers on Zoopla and there are houses on there for around and under £100k, but a lot of them are for sale on auction platforms and even though the guide price is £100k the reserve is likely to be at least 10% higher. A lot of auction properties are offered on a cash sale basis which limits who can buy them and the 28 day sale/completion requirement will also make it difficult for people starting out in life.
A single person on minimum wage will take home around £18k per annum which will equate to around £1500 cm. Assuming they can buy a £100k property on a 95% mortgage, then if we use Rayners repayment figure of £525 that will leave them around £975.
Factor in council tax ((Band C) £120 per month, gas and electric £150, water £50, house insurance £40, life insurance/sickness cover £30, telephone/broadband £30 that leaves around £450 per month or £5k as “disposable” income. Out of that they’ll need to buy food and potentially run a car etc to get back and forth to work.
You are right - it won’t leave a great deal in the pocket and it won’t encourage a lot of people in to work. [Post edited 11 Dec 22:30]
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So a couple living together or married? come on far to many today want things put on a plate for them.
I'm like Flashberry started off in a very modest property and worked our way up.
I gave an excellent example earlier 95k perhaps you could get it cheaper Pentregethin Road in lovely condition, perfect for a couple starting out on life | |
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| Public sector pay on 07:01 - Dec 12 with 836 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 22:12 - Dec 11 by Whiterockin |
Who is telling public sector workers what pay rise they should have, except the Labour government. |
Plenty of people on this forum and the media. Directly from this forum:-
"Most people would love the 8.8% pay rises they had in April plus the 3% they have been offered as well. Nearly 12% in a year. Most people would be glad with that generous offer" | | | |
| Public sector pay on 08:21 - Dec 12 with 812 views | felixstowe_jack |
Interest aside in Drakeford's budget.
The Senedd have awarded local councils an average increase in their funding of 4.3%. All the labour run councils have been award funding increases above 4.3% including Cardiff and Newport at 5.3% and 5.7% getting the most.
All other councils run by PC, Conservative , independents or no overall control got the least with Vale of Glamorgan , Monmouthshire, Powys and Gwynedd getting 3.2% or less.
Almost as if the funding was based on the colour of the party rather than actual needs.
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| Public sector pay on 09:01 - Dec 12 with 760 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 07:01 - Dec 12 by Scotia |
Plenty of people on this forum and the media. Directly from this forum:-
"Most people would love the 8.8% pay rises they had in April plus the 3% they have been offered as well. Nearly 12% in a year. Most people would be glad with that generous offer" |
Wasn't that by Gwyn in relation to the doctors pay rise and bares no relation to the 2.8% public sector rise that is being discussed. Try again. |  | | |
| Public sector pay on 09:04 - Dec 12 with 757 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 08:21 - Dec 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Interest aside in Drakeford's budget.
The Senedd have awarded local councils an average increase in their funding of 4.3%. All the labour run councils have been award funding increases above 4.3% including Cardiff and Newport at 5.3% and 5.7% getting the most.
All other councils run by PC, Conservative , independents or no overall control got the least with Vale of Glamorgan , Monmouthshire, Powys and Gwynedd getting 3.2% or less.
Almost as if the funding was based on the colour of the party rather than actual needs.
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How much of this increase is going straight back to Westminster through the increase in NI. Labour are just moving money around trying look good, its not working. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 09:05 - Dec 12 with 755 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 09:01 - Dec 12 by Whiterockin |
Wasn't that by Gwyn in relation to the doctors pay rise and bares no relation to the 2.8% public sector rise that is being discussed. Try again. |
I'm discussing public sector pay rises in general, as was the second post in this thread:-
"I wonder what the junior doctors and train drivers could possibly have done to get such favourable pay awards?" | | | |
| Public sector pay on 10:34 - Dec 12 with 709 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 09:05 - Dec 12 by Scotia |
I'm discussing public sector pay rises in general, as was the second post in this thread:-
"I wonder what the junior doctors and train drivers could possibly have done to get such favourable pay awards?" |
Train drivers are paid by private train companies not the taxpayer. Why do footballers get paid so much? | | | |
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| Public sector pay on 12:23 - Dec 12 with 676 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 10:34 - Dec 12 by controversial_jack |
Train drivers are paid by private train companies not the taxpayer. Why do footballers get paid so much? |
It's not my quote.
You're right to certain extent I believe, but the companies are government franchises so pay awards need government sign off. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 12:28 - Dec 12 with 672 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Public sector pay on 10:34 - Dec 12 by controversial_jack |
Train drivers are paid by private train companies not the taxpayer. Why do footballers get paid so much? |
Because football is a highly skilled game. Less than 0.01 of the UK population are good enough to be professional football players.
In comparison anyone with a driving licence could easily become a train driver after a short period of training.
Bus drivers and HGV drivers have a much more skilled job than train drivers yet receive half the pay
All train drivers will shortly be paid by the taxpayers when train companies are nationalised.
A lot already are Tfw, Scotland, Northern Rail,
The London taxpayers also fund Tfl where underground drivers get paid a lot more than train drivers. Despite being not required to drive trains on most underground lines. They just sit in the cab opening doors. | |
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| Public sector pay on 14:53 - Dec 12 with 614 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 12:28 - Dec 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Because football is a highly skilled game. Less than 0.01 of the UK population are good enough to be professional football players.
In comparison anyone with a driving licence could easily become a train driver after a short period of training.
Bus drivers and HGV drivers have a much more skilled job than train drivers yet receive half the pay
All train drivers will shortly be paid by the taxpayers when train companies are nationalised.
A lot already are Tfw, Scotland, Northern Rail,
The London taxpayers also fund Tfl where underground drivers get paid a lot more than train drivers. Despite being not required to drive trains on most underground lines. They just sit in the cab opening doors. |
Whether it's easier or not is irrelevant - that's down to your narrow minded opinion, it's the market that decides their pay not the public sector.
All jobs are easy once you become competent and experienced. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 16:10 - Dec 12 with 566 views | KeithHaynes |
Fire fighter ? Military ? Police, Doctors, nurses. They are all jobs which never have a daily script and are always presenting differences scenarios every day and night. |  |
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| Public sector pay on 16:23 - Dec 12 with 547 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 16:10 - Dec 12 by KeithHaynes |
Fire fighter ? Military ? Police, Doctors, nurses. They are all jobs which never have a daily script and are always presenting differences scenarios every day and night. |
I'd put Paramedics alongside the those above should have a yearly pay rise of between 5 and 7.5%. |  |
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| Public sector pay on 17:15 - Dec 12 with 504 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Public sector pay on 14:53 - Dec 12 by controversial_jack |
Whether it's easier or not is irrelevant - that's down to your narrow minded opinion, it's the market that decides their pay not the public sector.
All jobs are easy once you become competent and experienced. |
I think you are the problem always putting opposite views to the majority and never accepting you are wrong.
I think unions certainly affect pay awards particularly in virtual closed shop work areas.
I notice you did noy try counter the argument as to why footballers are so highly paid. | |
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| Public sector pay on 17:23 - Dec 12 with 491 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Public sector pay on 17:15 - Dec 12 by felixstowe_jack |
I think you are the problem always putting opposite views to the majority and never accepting you are wrong.
I think unions certainly affect pay awards particularly in virtual closed shop work areas.
I notice you did noy try counter the argument as to why footballers are so highly paid. |
Footballers are paid obscenely and often it's stupid clubs and greedy agenst who get contracts players barely deserve.
This whole thread is crazy.
OAP's have paid in, the UK has one of the worse pensions in Europe and we are a first world country? Bullshit.
Do publuic sector deserve more, without a doubt but 2.8% of 30k is still more than 4.1% of 12k. 840 versus 492. 492 is 41 per month, hw much did council tax go up, how much have the gas and electric gone up, how much will water go up? | | | |
| Public sector pay on 17:25 - Dec 12 with 474 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 17:23 - Dec 12 by SullutaCreturned |
Footballers are paid obscenely and often it's stupid clubs and greedy agenst who get contracts players barely deserve.
This whole thread is crazy.
OAP's have paid in, the UK has one of the worse pensions in Europe and we are a first world country? Bullshit.
Do publuic sector deserve more, without a doubt but 2.8% of 30k is still more than 4.1% of 12k. 840 versus 492. 492 is 41 per month, hw much did council tax go up, how much have the gas and electric gone up, how much will water go up? |
You are trying to push water uphill, with a few on here | |
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| Public sector pay on 18:37 - Dec 12 with 427 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 17:23 - Dec 12 by SullutaCreturned |
Footballers are paid obscenely and often it's stupid clubs and greedy agenst who get contracts players barely deserve.
This whole thread is crazy.
OAP's have paid in, the UK has one of the worse pensions in Europe and we are a first world country? Bullshit.
Do publuic sector deserve more, without a doubt but 2.8% of 30k is still more than 4.1% of 12k. 840 versus 492. 492 is 41 per month, hw much did council tax go up, how much have the gas and electric gone up, how much will water go up? |
Trouble is that in some areas of public service, the pay is not enough to recruit and retrain staff.
What happen then? Either the service gets poorer or immigrants come in and take up the slack. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 18:42 - Dec 12 with 406 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 16:10 - Dec 12 by KeithHaynes |
Fire fighter ? Military ? Police, Doctors, nurses. They are all jobs which never have a daily script and are always presenting differences scenarios every day and night. |
Just got in from work after dealing with the most horrendous child protection issue, coordinating children’s services and the police.
Children’s services shut shop at 5pm and directed me to the emergency worker who is one person on a phone. It took the police 7 hours to attend. Not their fault, they’re flat out.
This work won’t appear in any league table, performance measure or inspection report.
This kind of thing happens regularly.
Can’t imagine why people aren’t coming into the profession. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 18:46 - Dec 12 with 393 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 18:37 - Dec 12 by Gwyn737 |
Trouble is that in some areas of public service, the pay is not enough to recruit and retrain staff.
What happen then? Either the service gets poorer or immigrants come in and take up the slack. |
That's not going to happen in most education posts. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 18:52 - Dec 12 with 385 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 18:46 - Dec 12 by Whiterockin |
That's not going to happen in most education posts. |
There’s around 4000 vacancies in England at this time. Recruitment targets are consistently missed and the population is growing.
That not taking into account non specialists.
Round my way, there are large numbers of northern Irish, Canadians and south Asians coming in. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 19:03 - Dec 12 with 363 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 22:33 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
That's not what I do, I'm in environmental impact assessment.
But it's the same old story. Less money from government to prosecute people.
That extra £10 billion plus could go a long way. |
Well go and do an "environmental impact assessment" on our rivers and environment, what do you think the impact of all that pollution is doing?
Have you actually achieved anything ? sitting in the office drinking coffee and talking about it won't solve the problem, so many different job titles that lap over onto each other ends up with nothing getting done except keeping those with those titles drawing wages whilst yapping like cockle women. | |
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| Public sector pay on 19:20 - Dec 12 with 338 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 18:52 - Dec 12 by Gwyn737 |
There’s around 4000 vacancies in England at this time. Recruitment targets are consistently missed and the population is growing.
That not taking into account non specialists.
Round my way, there are large numbers of northern Irish, Canadians and south Asians coming in. |
Are there not more teachers leaving the profession than the sector is able to recruit. That is without the extra teachers promised, paid for out of the vat going on private school fees. Would you agree that those joining the profession now are well below the standard of 10 years ago. The education sector is broken like the NHS and just throwing money at the problem will not solve it. Politicians like to say they are increasing the budget just to appease voters, when in fact they need to stop playing party politics and sort the problem out. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 19:21 - Dec 12 with 332 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Public sector pay on 19:03 - Dec 12 by max936 |
Well go and do an "environmental impact assessment" on our rivers and environment, what do you think the impact of all that pollution is doing?
Have you actually achieved anything ? sitting in the office drinking coffee and talking about it won't solve the problem, so many different job titles that lap over onto each other ends up with nothing getting done except keeping those with those titles drawing wages whilst yapping like cockle women. |
This has really rattled your cage, eh? | | | |
| Public sector pay on 19:24 - Dec 12 with 312 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Public sector pay on 18:37 - Dec 12 by Gwyn737 |
Trouble is that in some areas of public service, the pay is not enough to recruit and retrain staff.
What happen then? Either the service gets poorer or immigrants come in and take up the slack. |
I imagine retention is quite hard too.
Rayns, it's much easier to push water uphill when it's frozen, just get a decent pair of gloves. At the rate of Uk pensions and the cutting of the WFA those gloves will come in very handy in cold weather too  | | | |
| Public sector pay on 19:25 - Dec 12 with 309 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 19:20 - Dec 12 by Whiterockin |
Are there not more teachers leaving the profession than the sector is able to recruit. That is without the extra teachers promised, paid for out of the vat going on private school fees. Would you agree that those joining the profession now are well below the standard of 10 years ago. The education sector is broken like the NHS and just throwing money at the problem will not solve it. Politicians like to say they are increasing the budget just to appease voters, when in fact they need to stop playing party politics and sort the problem out. |
5 - 10 years ago I’d have agreed with you but there have been fast improvements since then.
The sector was pretty slow to accept research based practice but that has changed quite dramatically and it the older teachers who are running to keep up atm.
As I said that’s a pretty recent thing.
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I don’t the the education part is broken, it’s picking up the bits that once were health and social services that has really made things difficult. [Post edited 12 Dec 19:28]
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