| The Assisted Dying Bill 18:52 - Nov 12 with 1092 views | raynor94 |
What's everybody's thoughts on this, as long as the safeguards this bill proposes are carried out.
I'd be for it, I've had the misfortune to see a loved one suffer for far to long when the outcome is inevitable |  |
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| The Assisted Dying Bill on 18:57 - Nov 12 with 1079 views | 3swan |
Very difficult subject.
The safeguards can never be 100% but I'm still in favour. I've seen family members suffer, and as you say there was only one outcome.
Not easy but surely in the long term setting up a system that you register your views and update maybe in 20's 30's 40's etc
Even then you might change your view when the time comes but at least there will be some documentation of your views if nothing else. |  | | |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 19:11 - Nov 12 with 1053 views | max936 |
I saw my dear old Mam virtually starve and dehydrate to death because of her illness, it was beyond inhumane and cruel, we don't treat animals like we treat Humans in their final months and weeks, its hateful and disgusting. |  |
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| The Assisted Dying Bill on 19:54 - Nov 12 with 1029 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 19:11 - Nov 12 by max936 |
I saw my dear old Mam virtually starve and dehydrate to death because of her illness, it was beyond inhumane and cruel, we don't treat animals like we treat Humans in their final months and weeks, its hateful and disgusting. |
I was very sorry to hear the story of your Mam, I feel for you and thank you for posting your story.
My mother was ill for a long while and recovered for a number of months, maybe a year, during this time we had conversations about medical intervention if she became ill again, she was clear on three occasions that she had had enough medical procedures. We laughed and cried.
She subsequently had a bad stroke, after a few weeks the doctor said she was not making progress.
Between us the doctor and I agreed " to make her as comfortable as possible". He was a kind and considerate man who did not lead the conversation. I knew I had made the right decision because I had discussed the matter with my mother. I know the doctor assisted with her passing.
I'm sure that from what you say and the way you say it, that we would both make the right decision. I am concerned about those who may not act in the best possible faith. I'm not sure how to build in really good safeguards. |  |
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| The Assisted Dying Bill on 20:28 - Nov 12 with 1008 views | raynor94 |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 19:11 - Nov 12 by max936 |
I saw my dear old Mam virtually starve and dehydrate to death because of her illness, it was beyond inhumane and cruel, we don't treat animals like we treat Humans in their final months and weeks, its hateful and disgusting. |
Same with my wife Max, for the last 3 weeks of her life, she was unconscious but kept alive with medication.
We had a wonderful Doctor who sympathised with the situation and wished he could have done more.
Of course not all situations are the same, but I honestly believe if it is terminal and there is no other outcome allowing somebody to pass away with dignity is beneficial to the patient and the family. | |
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| The Assisted Dying Bill on 20:42 - Nov 12 with 1000 views | onehunglow |
100. % in favour
We allow humans to suffer unbearable pain ,that we don’t feel . It’s why we can pontificate as we do.
If dogs are suffering,we euthanise . | |
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| The Assisted Dying Bill on 21:57 - Nov 12 with 969 views | AnotherJohn |
It is indeed a very difficult subject. My preference in the immediate future would be to explore how much we can improve palliative care. In some instances we are not far off assisted dying as things stand. I heard an interesting presentation about the growing use in many European countries of palliative sedation - meaning putting patients in the later stages of terminal illness into deep sedation until they die. This is the published version.
https://www.jpsmjournal.com/article/S0885-3924(09)00786-6/pdf
Sometimes palliative sedation may be tried for a short time and the patient then awakened to see if symptoms improve, so that it is not always terminal. I'd say terminal sedation is still less common in the UK than some countries, but many doctors do seem to use it near the very end. My own mother was put on a morphine pump for her last few days of life, and never regained consciousness. | | | |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 01:17 - Nov 13 with 925 views | Robbie |
Good mate had a DNR option on his mother during the COVID issue to sign that form .
She was in a Care Centre at that time suffering dementia . place was in lockdown then .
He did not sign the document and his mum lived on for a bit longer .
Covid related or natural causes I never asked that personal question to him .
This issue over a trip to Switzerland or on our acceptance here in the UK is debatable .
Would be suprised if this Ruling gets through in Parliment though .
Far too many outside influences and so called experts having their say sadly . | | | |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 08:53 - Nov 13 with 876 views | onehunglow |
It’s why so many have DNR notices in prominent places at home | |
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| The Assisted Dying Bill on 10:17 - Nov 13 with 835 views | controversial_jack |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 08:53 - Nov 13 by onehunglow |
It’s why so many have DNR notices in prominent places at home |
I think that's probably because of the trauma of resuscitation, especially on older people. It can break ribs and all kinds of complications, it's not a gentle process | | | |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 18:59 - Nov 13 with 754 views | max936 |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 21:57 - Nov 12 by AnotherJohn |
It is indeed a very difficult subject. My preference in the immediate future would be to explore how much we can improve palliative care. In some instances we are not far off assisted dying as things stand. I heard an interesting presentation about the growing use in many European countries of palliative sedation - meaning putting patients in the later stages of terminal illness into deep sedation until they die. This is the published version.
https://www.jpsmjournal.com/article/S0885-3924(09)00786-6/pdf
Sometimes palliative sedation may be tried for a short time and the patient then awakened to see if symptoms improve, so that it is not always terminal. I'd say terminal sedation is still less common in the UK than some countries, but many doctors do seem to use it near the very end. My own mother was put on a morphine pump for her last few days of life, and never regained consciousness. |
They can put people on something called a driver to help, but they didn't for me Mother despite my Wife mentioning it, don't know what the criteria is though. | |
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| The Assisted Dying Bill on 19:14 - Nov 13 with 743 views | SullutaCreturned |
I have long believed we should be allowed this choice as long as there were strong sfaeguards.
Last year on August 23rd cancer took my sister, it was a very long 15 months. I cannot put into words how much I loved my sister, how much she meant to me and watching her die ruined me and 15 months later I am still a changed person, not just me, it affected her husband and children and grandchikdren too. Miost painful of all was my sister watching us suffer with her, I know because she told me. She hated seeing us in so much pain too.
I have to ask, why would anybody be allowed to suffer like that? What kind, caring politician would make someone on while the world of the people they loved fell apart?
Of course this should be availalble and it won't be perfect, it'll need monitoring and adjusting as time passes but it should be brought into law, in my opinion. | | | |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 20:11 - Nov 13 with 731 views | AnotherJohn |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 18:59 - Nov 13 by max936 |
They can put people on something called a driver to help, but they didn't for me Mother despite my Wife mentioning it, don't know what the criteria is though. |
Yes, the device is called a syringe driver, a kind of pump that administers a small amount of powerful anaesthetic via a subcutaneous infusion. Various drugs can be used, including morphine. "Morphine pump", as mentioned in my post, is slang for one type of syringe driver. | | | |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 21:16 - Nov 13 with 697 views | 3swan |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 19:14 - Nov 13 by SullutaCreturned |
I have long believed we should be allowed this choice as long as there were strong sfaeguards.
Last year on August 23rd cancer took my sister, it was a very long 15 months. I cannot put into words how much I loved my sister, how much she meant to me and watching her die ruined me and 15 months later I am still a changed person, not just me, it affected her husband and children and grandchikdren too. Miost painful of all was my sister watching us suffer with her, I know because she told me. She hated seeing us in so much pain too.
I have to ask, why would anybody be allowed to suffer like that? What kind, caring politician would make someone on while the world of the people they loved fell apart?
Of course this should be availalble and it won't be perfect, it'll need monitoring and adjusting as time passes but it should be brought into law, in my opinion. |
Posted from the heart, and brilliantly put into words.
We all know the initial system wouldn't be a perfect answer to all, but we are humans and should be given the choice.
The suffering caused, lives on in others. [Post edited 13 Nov 21:18]
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| The Assisted Dying Bill on 22:10 - Nov 13 with 654 views | builthjack |
Once I lose most of the marbles I would prefer to give the game up. |  |
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| The Assisted Dying Bill on 08:04 - Nov 14 with 616 views | raynor94 |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 18:59 - Nov 13 by max936 |
They can put people on something called a driver to help, but they didn't for me Mother despite my Wife mentioning it, don't know what the criteria is though. |
The gun is a slang word for it, it administers doses of morphine in gradual amounts so the patient is not in pain.
In my experience its certainly not foolproof | |
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| The Assisted Dying Bill on 08:36 - Nov 14 with 595 views | onehunglow |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 22:10 - Nov 13 by builthjack |
Once I lose most of the marbles I would prefer to give the game up. |
Have an uparrow | |
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| The Assisted Dying Bill on 10:40 - Nov 14 with 550 views | controversial_jack |
| The Assisted Dying Bill on 08:04 - Nov 14 by raynor94 |
The gun is a slang word for it, it administers doses of morphine in gradual amounts so the patient is not in pain.
In my experience its certainly not foolproof |
Docs are more and more reluctant to do this thesedays for whatever reason | | | |
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