| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) 11:10 - May 10 with 14098 views | essextaxiboy |
CPS says No
Another theory for the election shot dead .......
Only file still open is the one where Farage lost ...............
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:19 - May 10 with 8901 views | stumbleandfall |
Hardly shot dead. It was a major reason. The CPS just bottled it. |  | | |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:25 - May 10 with 8876 views | FDC |
CPS Statement
In order to bring a charge, it must be proved that a suspect knew the return was inaccurate and acted dishonestly in signing the declaration. Although there is evidence to suggest the returns may have been inaccurate, there is insufficient evidence to prove to the criminal standard that any candidate or agent was dishonest.
The Act also makes it a technical offence for an election agent to fail to deliver a true return. By omitting any ‘Battle Bus’ costs, the returns may have been inaccurate. However, it is clear agents were told by Conservative Party headquarters that the costs were part of the national campaign and it would not be possible to prove any agent acted knowingly or dishonestly.
Hmm..... |  | | |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:28 - May 10 with 8857 views | DWQPR |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:19 - May 10 by stumbleandfall |
Hardly shot dead. It was a major reason. The CPS just bottled it. |
Or there genuinely wasn't a case to answer. It seems that because it was an investigation against the Tory party that there is automatic guilt and that there is a cover up. I suspect that the amount of people that have been involved in this case would suggest that if there was a cover up then there would be at least one of two people who would leek information afterwards. Still spending a bit extra on the visit of a battlebus in small cheese when compared to the electoral fraud that was committed in Tower Hamlets.
The reason that there is still one case outstanding is because the case for Thanet South was submitted much later than the other cases. | |
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:31 - May 10 with 8846 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:33 - May 10 with 8838 views | essextaxiboy |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:25 - May 10 by FDC |
CPS Statement
In order to bring a charge, it must be proved that a suspect knew the return was inaccurate and acted dishonestly in signing the declaration. Although there is evidence to suggest the returns may have been inaccurate, there is insufficient evidence to prove to the criminal standard that any candidate or agent was dishonest.
The Act also makes it a technical offence for an election agent to fail to deliver a true return. By omitting any ‘Battle Bus’ costs, the returns may have been inaccurate. However, it is clear agents were told by Conservative Party headquarters that the costs were part of the national campaign and it would not be possible to prove any agent acted knowingly or dishonestly.
Hmm..... |
Hmmm .. what ?
They are the CPS and have seen every page of every file , we are football fans on a MB . | | | |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:34 - May 10 with 8835 views | Toast_R |
Surely a breach of the rules should mean the candidates lose by default and party with the highest vote who didn't cheat, are elected in their place? Simple and a resounding message sent out.
As ever though when politicians corrupt the system, a nod here and wink there and it all gets swept under the carpet. |  | | |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:40 - May 10 with 8823 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:34 - May 10 by Toast_R |
Surely a breach of the rules should mean the candidates lose by default and party with the highest vote who didn't cheat, are elected in their place? Simple and a resounding message sent out.
As ever though when politicians corrupt the system, a nod here and wink there and it all gets swept under the carpet. |
Yep that's why they have not yet charged Blair with contempt of parliament. [Post edited 10 May 2017 11:40]
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:44 - May 10 with 8800 views | FDC |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:33 - May 10 by essextaxiboy |
Hmmm .. what ?
They are the CPS and have seen every page of every file , we are football fans on a MB . |
'Hmm' it seems the CPS are saying they can't prove individuals broke the rules knowingly, because they were instructed by HQ.
it is clear agents were told by Conservative Party headquarters that the costs were part of the national campaign and it would not be possible to prove any agent acted knowingly or dishonestly | | | |
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:44 - May 10 with 8795 views | Rangersw12 |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:28 - May 10 by DWQPR |
Or there genuinely wasn't a case to answer. It seems that because it was an investigation against the Tory party that there is automatic guilt and that there is a cover up. I suspect that the amount of people that have been involved in this case would suggest that if there was a cover up then there would be at least one of two people who would leek information afterwards. Still spending a bit extra on the visit of a battlebus in small cheese when compared to the electoral fraud that was committed in Tower Hamlets.
The reason that there is still one case outstanding is because the case for Thanet South was submitted much later than the other cases. |
Yeah to be fair history has shown the Tories never cover anything up so people have no reason to be sceptical at all | | | |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:48 - May 10 with 8775 views | Tonto |
So basically they cheated but not in a prosecutable way.
I'm sure someone will be spinning this about how strong and stable this makes the Tories as I type. |  |
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:48 - May 10 with 8774 views | FDC |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:44 - May 10 by FDC |
'Hmm' it seems the CPS are saying they can't prove individuals broke the rules knowingly, because they were instructed by HQ.
it is clear agents were told by Conservative Party headquarters that the costs were part of the national campaign and it would not be possible to prove any agent acted knowingly or dishonestly |
i.e. How is electoral law enforceable in this case? | | | |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:56 - May 10 with 8750 views | DWQPR |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:44 - May 10 by Rangersw12 |
Yeah to be fair history has shown the Tories never cover anything up so people have no reason to be sceptical at all |
Still got a long way to learn from Labour. Look at the number of vote rigging cases over the last decade in Birmingham, (a few times), Blackburn, Tower Hamlets, Bradford, there is quite a list all involving postal voting, which in my view should be scrapped. | |
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:58 - May 10 with 8735 views | essextaxiboy |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:44 - May 10 by FDC |
'Hmm' it seems the CPS are saying they can't prove individuals broke the rules knowingly, because they were instructed by HQ.
it is clear agents were told by Conservative Party headquarters that the costs were part of the national campaign and it would not be possible to prove any agent acted knowingly or dishonestly |
The key words are " it is clear"
All of the MPs involved had an E Mail from the HQ saying that the bus was not to be included in individual cost and was declared centrally which it was it obviously was or someone would be getting prosecuted from central office.
The bus cost was simply put in the wrong column, how much that affected individual voters is incalculable . Most of them probably didnt even see the bus .
If you want to prosecute someone you have to able to prove it . [Post edited 10 May 2017 12:03]
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:09 - May 10 with 8705 views | essextaxiboy |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:56 - May 10 by DWQPR |
Still got a long way to learn from Labour. Look at the number of vote rigging cases over the last decade in Birmingham, (a few times), Blackburn, Tower Hamlets, Bradford, there is quite a list all involving postal voting, which in my view should be scrapped. |
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/labour-fined-20000-for-undeclar
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:10 - May 10 with 8701 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:56 - May 10 by DWQPR |
Still got a long way to learn from Labour. Look at the number of vote rigging cases over the last decade in Birmingham, (a few times), Blackburn, Tower Hamlets, Bradford, there is quite a list all involving postal voting, which in my view should be scrapped. |
Stick them all in prison with Blair | |
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:13 - May 10 with 8681 views | DWQPR |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:10 - May 10 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Stick them all in prison with Blair |
Can we include all politicians in that statement. To be honest I wouldn't trust any of them, just some less than others. Always said that the UK should be managed by a board of directors, some kind of soft dictatorship! | |
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:21 - May 10 with 8653 views | FredManRave |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:13 - May 10 by DWQPR |
Can we include all politicians in that statement. To be honest I wouldn't trust any of them, just some less than others. Always said that the UK should be managed by a board of directors, some kind of soft dictatorship! |
Lets give the Venkys a go. They couldnt do any worse... |  |
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:43 - May 10 with 8614 views | Brightonhoop |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 11:58 - May 10 by essextaxiboy |
The key words are " it is clear"
All of the MPs involved had an E Mail from the HQ saying that the bus was not to be included in individual cost and was declared centrally which it was it obviously was or someone would be getting prosecuted from central office.
The bus cost was simply put in the wrong column, how much that affected individual voters is incalculable . Most of them probably didnt even see the bus .
If you want to prosecute someone you have to able to prove it . [Post edited 10 May 2017 12:03]
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Because the entity they keep referring to is HQ, presumably CPS cannot prosecute bricks and mortar.
It's a highly succesful fraud by the Conservative Party that saw them grossly overspend beyond the law, rules and limits set down for all and precisely what got those 30 MP's elected. And was achieved leaving no one person liable.
And if May cannot manage her Party HQ then she is too stupid to run the country. [Post edited 10 May 2017 12:45]
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:49 - May 10 with 8595 views | essextaxiboy |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:43 - May 10 by Brightonhoop |
Because the entity they keep referring to is HQ, presumably CPS cannot prosecute bricks and mortar.
It's a highly succesful fraud by the Conservative Party that saw them grossly overspend beyond the law, rules and limits set down for all and precisely what got those 30 MP's elected. And was achieved leaving no one person liable.
And if May cannot manage her Party HQ then she is too stupid to run the country. [Post edited 10 May 2017 12:45]
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Cameron had been the Prime Minister not May although strictly speaking Parliament had been dissolved and they were all only candidates .. as they are now . | | | |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:53 - May 10 with 8568 views | Brightonhoop |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:49 - May 10 by essextaxiboy |
Cameron had been the Prime Minister not May although strictly speaking Parliament had been dissolved and they were all only candidates .. as they are now . |
May has not sought to rule the dodgy 30 out of this Election despite clear evidence Law on spending was broken and hidden fraudulently. This is now on her watch.
Along with the 110 files on Lords and MP's she lost at the HO relating to the Saville enquiry and Dolphin House and really ought to be assisting the police with their enquiries.
She is utterly incompetent. | | | |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:57 - May 10 with 8552 views | Trance_Trousers |
Who do you vote for Brighton? |  |
| Once you`ve had black you never go back......... |
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| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:58 - May 10 with 8546 views | Brightonhoop |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:57 - May 10 by Trance_Trousers |
Who do you vote for Brighton? |
None of your business. | | | |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 13:02 - May 10 with 8529 views | FDC |
You've got to give it to ETB, when he backs someone he really backs someone. | | | |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 13:03 - May 10 with 8526 views | Phildo |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 12:43 - May 10 by Brightonhoop |
Because the entity they keep referring to is HQ, presumably CPS cannot prosecute bricks and mortar.
It's a highly succesful fraud by the Conservative Party that saw them grossly overspend beyond the law, rules and limits set down for all and precisely what got those 30 MP's elected. And was achieved leaving no one person liable.
And if May cannot manage her Party HQ then she is too stupid to run the country. [Post edited 10 May 2017 12:45]
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You are making a few jumps there.
Basically electoral law is an ass. National spending (like the bus) is dealt with by the electoral commission- which they did a few months ago with record fines. Local overspend is criminal hence today's outcome. The structure of the way the law is enforced meant this was always the likely outcome. The regulation of election expenses has the national/local divide hence the system is a fail. |  | | |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 13:11 - May 10 with 8491 views | Brightonhoop |
| Tory Electoral fraud (n/t) on 13:03 - May 10 by Phildo |
You are making a few jumps there.
Basically electoral law is an ass. National spending (like the bus) is dealt with by the electoral commission- which they did a few months ago with record fines. Local overspend is criminal hence today's outcome. The structure of the way the law is enforced meant this was always the likely outcome. The regulation of election expenses has the national/local divide hence the system is a fail. |
So it is worth any Party overspending on National allowances and taking the fines to fraudulently corrupt British Parliamentary Democracy getting MP's elected that may not have been elected if not for the overspend.
I agree clearly the system and Law have failed spectaularly.
If May had an ounce of Integrity she would stand down all those involved and resign herself. No wonder she called the Election. | | | |
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