| In game management 19:41 - Aug 15 with 11010 views | baz_qpr |
Really poor, wrong subs at the wrong time.
That game should have finished with Chery Austin Polter and Faurlin on the pitch and we would have easily won it. Midfield was weak, we lacked leaders and failed to retain the ball.
The two Swindon lads, Jet, Doughty, Perch looked league one players. Polter looks very raw and Konchesky reminded me of Luke Young a player that having lost his pace ends up being more of a liability
Positives were Chery, Phillips when he decided to play after 30 minutes Chery who looks a very good player and the two centre halves.
Take Phillips and Austin out and I really fear for us.
The system does not suit Austin either and this is why he is not been snapped up yet.
Ramsey desperately needs an experienced head next to him in that dugout who is going to advise and question these decisions. He desperately needed that win and we threw it away. [Post edited 15 Aug 2015 19:44]
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| In game management on 21:05 - Aug 15 with 2527 views | Doughnut |
First time I've watched them this season and was thoroughly underwhelmed. Chery was only positive today. Polter likes to get in there, which is no bad thing, but his foot co-rdination needs some finessing, to say the least. Rest of em.........well .... 5 bob & a pickled egg and they're thine! I can feel another spell in the wilderness (buckets and all) getting closer. |  | | |
| In game management on 21:05 - Aug 15 with 2528 views | Rangersw12 |
| In game management on 21:01 - Aug 15 by SpiritofGregory |
The parachute payments last for 3 years. The board are not spending like they used to. We need to secure promotion within 3 seasons.
Why should it take years to sort out when Warnock and Amit turned things around in a season after inheriting a madhouse from Flavio? |
Because we had a player like Adel who was unplayable at times and we're in a far worse position now than we were before the promotion season |  | | |
| In game management on 21:15 - Aug 15 with 2474 views | DejR_vu |
| In game management on 20:23 - Aug 15 by Benny_the_Ball |
According to the offish the decision to take off Chery was a tactical one.
Quote from Ramsey: "“To be fair to Cardiff, they got the ball and did very well. When they’re in their flow, you have to allow them to do that."
Really Chris? |
Absolutely clueless. He's way out of his depth. | |
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| In game management on 21:21 - Aug 15 with 2439 views | SpiritofGregory |
| In game management on 20:56 - Aug 15 by YorkRanger |
We were being completely overrun when he made the decision to replace Chery with Doughty. You could see why he made that call... |
Cardiff played like a team with a structure and a plan. Their passing was much more crisp than ours, their manager made changes that paid off. We were luckily to be 2 up.
We don't play like a team, we have a team of individuals, it's the manager's job to put that right. |  | | |
| In game management on 21:53 - Aug 15 with 2315 views | Rangersw12 |
| In game management on 21:21 - Aug 15 by SpiritofGregory |
Cardiff played like a team with a structure and a plan. Their passing was much more crisp than ours, their manager made changes that paid off. We were luckily to be 2 up.
We don't play like a team, we have a team of individuals, it's the manager's job to put that right. |
They had the same team as last year so not surprising they looked more of a team compared to us
You are correct it is the manager to to put that right and hopefully given a chance he will do that but it doesn't help with the stupid transfer window that we're still waiting to see who will be playing for us on the 01st September
On a separate note the sooner they change the window so it closes on the 01 August the better as it's a complete farce at the moment | | | |
| In game management on 21:57 - Aug 15 with 2286 views | CamberleyR |
Predictable. The usual suspects crawl out from under their stones with nothing whatsoever positive to say. |  |
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| In game management on 21:59 - Aug 15 with 2276 views | NW5Hoop |
| In game management on 21:03 - Aug 15 by Jamie |
With Derry, Faurlin & Mackie, we had enough legs to leave Taarabt up top.
With Henry a total passenger & Gladwin looking off the pace, we were getting completely overrun and needed more legs in the second half.
If we are in charge of games, clearly Chery won't be removed for someone like Doughty, but at that point in time today, it was the correct substitution. |
So why, with Henry a total passenger and Gladwin looking off the pace, wasn't one of them removed? Rather than the one player who looked genuinely creative? That's my problem with taking Chery off, that he was doing his job, whereas others weren't.
It reminds me of Matthew Hoggard's response when asked what changes England might make after being beaten in New Zealand a few years back. "The batting failed, so they'll drop a bowler." | | | |
| In game management on 22:44 - Aug 15 with 2092 views | eccles |
Look, you can complain about Ramsey if you like (and some of you really like to) and moan about substitutions till the cows come home, but the sad truth is that today, the players simply weren't good enough. They all lacked quality. they looked disjointed and as far as I could see, failed to have either a plan or any style of play. (partly Ramseys fault, granted)
But.
It's our first home game and just because it was bad, it's far too early to judge either the manager or the players on this performance. This was practically a new team(5 new players making their league home debut). We have to expect it to take a bit of time before we develop some sort of style. If its still as bad as today after 10 or so games then I'll probably be moaning right along with all of you, but for now I'm keeping my powder dry.
Its gonna be a long season one way or the other |  | | |
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| In game management on 23:27 - Aug 15 with 1965 views | vegasranger |
I just can't work out our tactics. The passing and movement were very poor. Doughty came on but looked a headless chicken. Gladwin looks completely lost in the system. I noticed Paul Chrichton our new lower league goalkeeping coach giving out instructions to the subs. Where is the experience in the coaching staff? I really like Steve Gallen but he has always been a youth coach. Now number 2 to Ramsay. Team still not really fit. | | | |
| In game management on 23:28 - Aug 15 with 1964 views | wombat |
| In game management on 20:56 - Aug 15 by YorkRanger |
We were being completely overrun when he made the decision to replace Chery with Doughty. You could see why he made that call... |
Then why didn't he take Henry of instead of chery ? Chery was attacking take him off they pushed another man forward and over run us even more . If he had to take chery off due to being unfit replace with polter keep the shape they don't bomb forward or we catch them on the counter attack more, sorry want Ramsey to do wel but he desperately needs somebody alongside him in the dugout |  |
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| In game management on 00:09 - Aug 16 with 1869 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| In game management on 21:05 - Aug 15 by Rangersw12 |
Because we had a player like Adel who was unplayable at times and we're in a far worse position now than we were before the promotion season |
I disagree. We were being run by bonkers Briatore, had players like Vine and Agyemang on our books, and hired managers like Paul Hart. Amit and Warnock turned things around in double quick time. [Post edited 16 Aug 2015 0:17]
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| In game management on 00:10 - Aug 16 with 1869 views | baz_qpr |
| In game management on 20:56 - Aug 15 by YorkRanger |
We were being completely overrun when he made the decision to replace Chery with Doughty. You could see why he made that call... |
Yes we were being overun, we could not maintain possession, it seemed crazy to take Chery off in the 55th minute, who was probably our best player first half in order to push Luongo forward. He could have hooked the ineffectual Luongo who was having a poor game as one of the deep two, neither winning the ball enough or dictating play.
Doughty added energy but gave the ball away a lot and often caught out of position, It was crying out for Faurlin. He could have hooked Gladwin who had no effect on the game pushed Chery wide left if he wanted to keep Luongo on and push him into the 10 position. He could have hooked Gladwin and put on Polter and switched to 4-4-2 so we could actually retain the ball further up the pitch.
Charlie may have been blowing out of his arse but he had just scored and would probably have scored again especially if Polter had been put alongside him. | | | |
| In game management on 00:23 - Aug 16 with 1830 views | baz_qpr |
| In game management on 00:09 - Aug 16 by Benny_the_Ball |
I disagree. We were being run by bonkers Briatore, had players like Vine and Agyemang on our books, and hired managers like Paul Hart. Amit and Warnock turned things around in double quick time. [Post edited 16 Aug 2015 0:17]
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Warnock set that team up and bought to play a very specific way 4-2-3-1. One piano carrier, one deep lying playmaker, an attacking midfield three that played high and close to the striker the full backs at first did not have to cross the half way line or would only do so when we were in the final 3rd a centre forward who could hold up and lay off as well as chip in with goals he had the balance right and the right players for the system. Today we seem to have the wrong players playing in the wrong system. Charlie has to play in a 2, you want Matt Phillips hogging the line and crossing not cutting in. Luongo is supposed to be a box to box but this system requires him to be a deep lying playmaker and dictate play. Perhaps we are still of knowing what Ramsey's first choice eleven is when all fit and in what system. But we need to play to our strengths. I like 4-2-3-1 especially the Warnock version, but with the assets we have now we should be playing 4-4-2 | | | |
| In game management on 00:25 - Aug 16 with 1825 views | Rangersw12 |
| In game management on 00:10 - Aug 16 by baz_qpr |
Yes we were being overun, we could not maintain possession, it seemed crazy to take Chery off in the 55th minute, who was probably our best player first half in order to push Luongo forward. He could have hooked the ineffectual Luongo who was having a poor game as one of the deep two, neither winning the ball enough or dictating play.
Doughty added energy but gave the ball away a lot and often caught out of position, It was crying out for Faurlin. He could have hooked Gladwin who had no effect on the game pushed Chery wide left if he wanted to keep Luongo on and push him into the 10 position. He could have hooked Gladwin and put on Polter and switched to 4-4-2 so we could actually retain the ball further up the pitch.
Charlie may have been blowing out of his arse but he had just scored and would probably have scored again especially if Polter had been put alongside him. |
If we're being overrun in midfield going to a 442 wouldn't of done anything to help that and would of probably of made things worse
Lets not forget last season people were using Ramsey playing 442 as a stick to beat him with
I think it showed today how much we missed Mackie | | | |
| In game management on 00:27 - Aug 16 with 1755 views | Rangersw12 |
“We keep an eye on the ball,” he said. “History is a great teacher, and you do take heed of what has gone on in the past and make sure you don’t end up like that.
“To actually consolidate is a task in itself. We’ve lost a lot of players and got a new players and we’ve not spent a lot of money, and some came in at the end of pre-season.
“I’m not the only manager who will be saying that. But it’s more important we have a more pragmatic approach, and look as high as we can.” | | | |
| In game management on 00:31 - Aug 16 with 1748 views | baz_qpr |
| In game management on 00:25 - Aug 16 by Rangersw12 |
If we're being overrun in midfield going to a 442 wouldn't of done anything to help that and would of probably of made things worse
Lets not forget last season people were using Ramsey playing 442 as a stick to beat him with
I think it showed today how much we missed Mackie |
We were being over run because nothing was sticking up front, we could have gone 4-4-2 with Polter and Austin pressed higher and would probably have won the game. I'm no fan of 4-4-2 but if you've got Austin you need to play 2 up front whether that's flat 4-4-2 or a diamond or 3 at the back otherwise you are wasting your best asset | | | |
| In game management on 00:34 - Aug 16 with 1744 views | Rangersw12 |
| In game management on 00:31 - Aug 16 by baz_qpr |
We were being over run because nothing was sticking up front, we could have gone 4-4-2 with Polter and Austin pressed higher and would probably have won the game. I'm no fan of 4-4-2 but if you've got Austin you need to play 2 up front whether that's flat 4-4-2 or a diamond or 3 at the back otherwise you are wasting your best asset |
Austin played up top on his own for the majority of the season in the Championship last time so don't see where this myth he cant do it now has come from
End of the day Austin will be gone soon anyway so we need to get the majority of the players used to a settled system that suits them and looking at the squad 433 or 4231 is the way to go IMO [Post edited 16 Aug 2015 0:37]
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| In game management on 00:58 - Aug 16 with 1697 views | eccles |
CR has stated that he would like another 2 or 3 signings before the window closes. On todays evidence I hope that him and Les have got a new centre forward up their sleeves for when Charlie leaves cause if we have to rely on seb and jet to get the goals then its going to be painful.
We need another keeper. Another centre back (Ream?) and a striker. Not for the first time, we need a new "spine"
I think that over the next couple of weeks things will change at the club as we'll no doubt lose our better players. By the end of the month we'll have a better idea where we are. | | | |
| In game management on 03:32 - Aug 16 with 1613 views | vegasranger |
While players are getting to understand each other , surely it would be better to play 4-4-2? At least today we would have had 8 players banked in front of Cardiff, instead of players losing shape so quickly try to play the pressing game. Doughty was all over the place when he should have been in the centre with Henry. | | | |
| In game management on 07:09 - Aug 16 with 1564 views | Northolt_Rs |
| In game management on 00:27 - Aug 16 by Rangersw12 |
“We keep an eye on the ball,” he said. “History is a great teacher, and you do take heed of what has gone on in the past and make sure you don’t end up like that.
“To actually consolidate is a task in itself. We’ve lost a lot of players and got a new players and we’ve not spent a lot of money, and some came in at the end of pre-season.
“I’m not the only manager who will be saying that. But it’s more important we have a more pragmatic approach, and look as high as we can.” |
Not exactly 'Once more unto the breach' type stuff is it? The guy is clueless. |  |
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| In game management on 07:41 - Aug 16 with 1533 views | DejR_vu |
| In game management on 21:57 - Aug 15 by CamberleyR |
Predictable. The usual suspects crawl out from under their stones with nothing whatsoever positive to say. |
As opposed to the 'happy-clappy' brigade who think it's all great and will work out in the end regardless of what they see. The 'glass half-full' philosophy hasn't exactly been a roaring success so far has it?
Very little to be positive about today, a message board seems the logical place to comment. | |
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| In game management on 08:09 - Aug 16 with 1499 views | Hooped_Pullie |
Would rather not be negative - and it is early days - but can't see the grounds for optimism. The team is crying out for direction, purpose and tactical nous - and would benefit greatly from the reassurance of an experienced head.
I did not agree that giving the job to Ramsey was a good idea. Can see him getting more and more out of his depth as the weeks go by, it's a bit like watching a man wading into deep waters until he's fully engulfed (which on this evidence, won't take long).
Agree that we missed Mackie today, hope he won't be out for long. Wolves midweek looks like it could render next Saturday's Rotherham game a relegation six-pointer - in August !!!
Some sort of record there... | | | |
| In game management on 08:30 - Aug 16 with 1447 views | swissqpr |
We deserved the 3 Points.Indeed Cardiff was all over us but created only half chances but we missed 3 150% sitters with the lead and the post help them also.To sub Cher was okay 'cause he didn't work hard defensely and we created the chances without him so didn't missed him much in front.Really positive was also after 2 shocking corners another player took the standarts,last year wasnt so and we looked really dangerous on the counter.Although the equalizer was a wondershoot it looks like Green could do better. | | | |
| In game management on 08:30 - Aug 16 with 1446 views | CamberleyR |
No he didn't. Get West London Sport's headline writer said it. | |
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