| In game management 19:41 - Aug 15 with 11289 views | baz_qpr |
Really poor, wrong subs at the wrong time.
That game should have finished with Chery Austin Polter and Faurlin on the pitch and we would have easily won it. Midfield was weak, we lacked leaders and failed to retain the ball.
The two Swindon lads, Jet, Doughty, Perch looked league one players. Polter looks very raw and Konchesky reminded me of Luke Young a player that having lost his pace ends up being more of a liability
Positives were Chery, Phillips when he decided to play after 30 minutes Chery who looks a very good player and the two centre halves.
Take Phillips and Austin out and I really fear for us.
The system does not suit Austin either and this is why he is not been snapped up yet.
Ramsey desperately needs an experienced head next to him in that dugout who is going to advise and question these decisions. He desperately needed that win and we threw it away. [Post edited 15 Aug 2015 19:44]
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| In game management on 09:49 - Aug 16 with 1964 views | Rangersw12 |
Cery was taken off due to fatique
CR said that in one of the local papers |  | | |
| In game management on 10:00 - Aug 16 with 1943 views | daveB |
I thought the 3 changes were the right ones to make. Austin was knackered and Polter did quite well when he came on. Gladwin was having a quiet game and I thought Doughty did well when he came on and Luonga improved when he moved to where Chery had been playing. If we take our chances we win the game, it was far from a disastrous performance. A typical championship match really between two mid table sides.
This thread could have been written before the game though as most have made decisions on the players and managers without giving them a real chance. You'll all get what you want soon, yet another managerial change. So sadly inevitable and quite comical to read the same people who slaughtered Rednapp for playing 4-4-2, for not giving youngsters a chance and only buying 30+ year olds now slating the new guy for doing the exact opposite. |  | | |
| In game management on 10:08 - Aug 16 with 1925 views | Neil_SI |
Likewise, I thought all three substitutions were spot on and the ones I'd have made. They had an impact on the match, and led to us creating several chances we should have scored from to kill the game off, but Austin hit a post, Phillips' one on one was saved (he could have squared to Luongo for a tap in) and Emmanuel-Thomas' flashed the wrong side of the post.
Once Luongo was moved into Chery's position, he became central and pivotal to all this.
But to state the obvious, as I've been hearing it a lot already, that some of our players look like League One players... that's because they are. We've brought some in from League One, and they will need time to develop and adapt. The same can be said of the players brought in from abroad, they will need time to settle and find their feet in this league. |  | | |
| In game management on 10:26 - Aug 16 with 1863 views | thairanger |
Went to charlton and cardiff l am not going to another QPR game home or away untill ramsey has gone or someone with knowledge comes to help.Yesterday was a mess like watching non league.what system was we playing ffs.i am done |  | | |
| In game management on 10:28 - Aug 16 with 1860 views | Jamie |
| In game management on 10:00 - Aug 16 by daveB |
I thought the 3 changes were the right ones to make. Austin was knackered and Polter did quite well when he came on. Gladwin was having a quiet game and I thought Doughty did well when he came on and Luonga improved when he moved to where Chery had been playing. If we take our chances we win the game, it was far from a disastrous performance. A typical championship match really between two mid table sides.
This thread could have been written before the game though as most have made decisions on the players and managers without giving them a real chance. You'll all get what you want soon, yet another managerial change. So sadly inevitable and quite comical to read the same people who slaughtered Rednapp for playing 4-4-2, for not giving youngsters a chance and only buying 30+ year olds now slating the new guy for doing the exact opposite. |
Exactly.
We are getting overrun despite having an extra man in midfield, so what do people want? Take a man out of midfield. Genius.
As you say, in the near future Rambo & Ferdinand will be sacked and Allardyce will come in. Luongo, Gladwin & Polter will be replaced by Carlton Cole, Matt Jarvis & Kevin Nolan and the cnts booing Rambo will be singing 'were Queen's Park Rangers, we play on the floor'....
We are an awful club and fanbase. | | | |
| In game management on 10:31 - Aug 16 with 1847 views | YorkRanger |
| In game management on 10:08 - Aug 16 by Neil_SI |
Likewise, I thought all three substitutions were spot on and the ones I'd have made. They had an impact on the match, and led to us creating several chances we should have scored from to kill the game off, but Austin hit a post, Phillips' one on one was saved (he could have squared to Luongo for a tap in) and Emmanuel-Thomas' flashed the wrong side of the post.
Once Luongo was moved into Chery's position, he became central and pivotal to all this.
But to state the obvious, as I've been hearing it a lot already, that some of our players look like League One players... that's because they are. We've brought some in from League One, and they will need time to develop and adapt. The same can be said of the players brought in from abroad, they will need time to settle and find their feet in this league. |
I agree with Neil, Dave and Jamie. I didn't have the energy last night or now to articulate any further... |  | | |
| In game management on 10:34 - Aug 16 with 1835 views | baz_qpr |
| In game management on 10:08 - Aug 16 by Neil_SI |
Likewise, I thought all three substitutions were spot on and the ones I'd have made. They had an impact on the match, and led to us creating several chances we should have scored from to kill the game off, but Austin hit a post, Phillips' one on one was saved (he could have squared to Luongo for a tap in) and Emmanuel-Thomas' flashed the wrong side of the post.
Once Luongo was moved into Chery's position, he became central and pivotal to all this.
But to state the obvious, as I've been hearing it a lot already, that some of our players look like League One players... that's because they are. We've brought some in from League One, and they will need time to develop and adapt. The same can be said of the players brought in from abroad, they will need time to settle and find their feet in this league. |
Sorry Neil I disagree of course you are going to get chances in the last 20 minutes of the game when the opposition have thrown on extra forwards and are piling forward. Its a lot easier to shine when you've been left in acres of space in the 80th minute or are receiving the ball in a 2 on 3 or 3 on 3 situation. There is nothing to say that Chery would not have been pivotal at all if he had remained on the field. Now obviously Ramsey knows Luongo well better than any of us, because IMHO he had done nothing to warrant staying on the pitch in the deep lying position. Our problem throughout the game was the inability of our midfield to control the ball and the lack of leadership in that areas 38% possession tells its own story. It was crying out for Faurlin whose natural position is that deep lying playmaker in a 4-2-3-1 to get his foot on and slow things down a bit rather than the energetic but rather erratic doughty who went tearing around the place but left even bigger holes in front of the defence Likewise given we were not passing short and moving up the field as a team it would have also made sense to bring on Polter alongside Charlie to try and retain the ball.
Re League one players, that was exactly my point, we've gone from one extreme to the other it all feels very Waddock / MacDonald at the moment we need a balance of youth and rawness with experience and nouse. We have only coaches with youth team experience in the dugout (most of the best and successful young managers will have an experienced old head in the dugout) and IMHO we need an old head in alongside Ramsey | | | |
| In game management on 10:38 - Aug 16 with 1826 views | Juzzie |
| In game management on 07:41 - Aug 16 by DejR_vu |
As opposed to the 'happy-clappy' brigade who think it's all great and will work out in the end regardless of what they see. The 'glass half-full' philosophy hasn't exactly been a roaring success so far has it?
Very little to be positive about today, a message board seems the logical place to comment. |
All over LFW like a rash last weekend, all over LFW like a rash this weekend, same repetitive predictable comments, yet nowhere to be seen midweek, even the day after the game. Funny that.
Nothing wrong with criticism etc but It needs balance, criticise a poor performance/result but also comment when we win. The latter just does not happen. I swear some people enjoy us doing badly as it gives them a platform.
I used to do regular "just got back" reports (juzzie jnr and other commitments put a stop to that) and i'd always try and make constructive comments whether we won, drew or lost.
For my tuppence worth i thought cardiff were the better team but we actually had the better chances. I thought Douherty had a good game. "All over the place"? Yes he was, he had to be to clear up stuff other people were not doing.
We had i think 8 home debutants compared to cardiffs settled squad.
Id have liked to have seen us go 442 when Polter came on as it was clear we needed a third goal but Austin was already blowing 10 mins earlier.
I think the financial excesses, and the high expectations that go with it, over the last 5 years or so have spoilt too many.
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| In game management on 10:55 - Aug 16 with 1752 views | WatfordR |
| In game management on 10:08 - Aug 16 by Neil_SI |
Likewise, I thought all three substitutions were spot on and the ones I'd have made. They had an impact on the match, and led to us creating several chances we should have scored from to kill the game off, but Austin hit a post, Phillips' one on one was saved (he could have squared to Luongo for a tap in) and Emmanuel-Thomas' flashed the wrong side of the post.
Once Luongo was moved into Chery's position, he became central and pivotal to all this.
But to state the obvious, as I've been hearing it a lot already, that some of our players look like League One players... that's because they are. We've brought some in from League One, and they will need time to develop and adapt. The same can be said of the players brought in from abroad, they will need time to settle and find their feet in this league. |
First home game, 2-0 up and he takes off the star striker. What happens? The other lot end up scoring twice and getting a draw. Tactically clueless and out of his depth. Its blindingly obvious to anyone who knows anything about football.
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| In game management on 10:56 - Aug 16 with 1741 views | Neil_SI |
| In game management on 10:34 - Aug 16 by baz_qpr |
Sorry Neil I disagree of course you are going to get chances in the last 20 minutes of the game when the opposition have thrown on extra forwards and are piling forward. Its a lot easier to shine when you've been left in acres of space in the 80th minute or are receiving the ball in a 2 on 3 or 3 on 3 situation. There is nothing to say that Chery would not have been pivotal at all if he had remained on the field. Now obviously Ramsey knows Luongo well better than any of us, because IMHO he had done nothing to warrant staying on the pitch in the deep lying position. Our problem throughout the game was the inability of our midfield to control the ball and the lack of leadership in that areas 38% possession tells its own story. It was crying out for Faurlin whose natural position is that deep lying playmaker in a 4-2-3-1 to get his foot on and slow things down a bit rather than the energetic but rather erratic doughty who went tearing around the place but left even bigger holes in front of the defence Likewise given we were not passing short and moving up the field as a team it would have also made sense to bring on Polter alongside Charlie to try and retain the ball.
Re League one players, that was exactly my point, we've gone from one extreme to the other it all feels very Waddock / MacDonald at the moment we need a balance of youth and rawness with experience and nouse. We have only coaches with youth team experience in the dugout (most of the best and successful young managers will have an experienced old head in the dugout) and IMHO we need an old head in alongside Ramsey |
Maybe Chery would have been pivotal, but the direct balls in to him were often at head height, and I don't recall him winning a single header, whereas Luongo practically won nearly every header he went for. Sometimes he had no support around him, so it came to nothing, but the occasions he did find a team-mate, we suddenly converted our play into attacking possession.
Chery struggled to pick up the ball to feet in the hole, which, in the main, I think he's excellent at doing but it was just one of those games where it didn't quite click for him. Luongo however managed to get himself on the ball, and then he made good use of those moments. That's all you can ask for really. Last week against Charlton, we hit them on the break and Matt Phillips ran through but played a really poor ball to Chery when we had a terrific opportunity to score. It's those small details, the player still has to make the right decision with the right quality and Luongo definitely has that composure. The reverse ball he played to Austin for when Austin hit the post, as all about Luongo's calmness. He didn't rush himself, where most players there would have blindly crossed or perhaps tried to be clever and play it off the defender for a corner (or lose possession to a goal kick)... but Luongo took his time and fashioned out the type of ball Austin actually wanted, and he went up to Luongo and high fived him for that.
I've commented in another thread about my views on the game, you've seen some things I broadly agree with, but I think your solutions may not have been solutions. Cardiff had more of the ball, so to increase possession you've got to take it off of them, and I'm not sure Faurlin for example has the legs to do that anymore. Of course, he's a good passer and controller of the ball, so if we had the ball in the first place, then perhaps so, but they had the ball more than we did.
We certainly left some holes when pressing — but we also had problems with the lack of speed at the back and front end of the pitch (Austin) and that contributed to the distances between the units between too great, and played into Cardiff's hands.
The changes helped us a little bit in dealing with that to win the ball and create chances, so in that sense, they had an impact, though we did it with the legs rather than closing the distances permanently. But it did bring naivety as well, and there was some erratic-ness to it too, certainly. A second striker may or may not have made it worse, worth considering, but overall I think the changes were right, given the chances we made afterwards. | | | |
| In game management on 10:57 - Aug 16 with 1736 views | PunteR |
| In game management on 10:34 - Aug 16 by baz_qpr |
Sorry Neil I disagree of course you are going to get chances in the last 20 minutes of the game when the opposition have thrown on extra forwards and are piling forward. Its a lot easier to shine when you've been left in acres of space in the 80th minute or are receiving the ball in a 2 on 3 or 3 on 3 situation. There is nothing to say that Chery would not have been pivotal at all if he had remained on the field. Now obviously Ramsey knows Luongo well better than any of us, because IMHO he had done nothing to warrant staying on the pitch in the deep lying position. Our problem throughout the game was the inability of our midfield to control the ball and the lack of leadership in that areas 38% possession tells its own story. It was crying out for Faurlin whose natural position is that deep lying playmaker in a 4-2-3-1 to get his foot on and slow things down a bit rather than the energetic but rather erratic doughty who went tearing around the place but left even bigger holes in front of the defence Likewise given we were not passing short and moving up the field as a team it would have also made sense to bring on Polter alongside Charlie to try and retain the ball.
Re League one players, that was exactly my point, we've gone from one extreme to the other it all feels very Waddock / MacDonald at the moment we need a balance of youth and rawness with experience and nouse. We have only coaches with youth team experience in the dugout (most of the best and successful young managers will have an experienced old head in the dugout) and IMHO we need an old head in alongside Ramsey |
Not sure you can just throw in any old head into the dugout and expect results. Whoever goes in has to back Ramsey. Those successful No2 roles are usually built on trust and a working relationship over a few years. Not all, obviously.
Francis seems perfect and I would have thought already been approached but he would have to buy into what Ramsey and Ferdinand are doing.
Derry would be a good shout Imo. But again,lacks experience of decision making from the dug out. |  |
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| In game management on 11:29 - Aug 16 with 1661 views | francisbowles |
I also agreed with the substitutions and in fact would have swapped Poulter for Austin a little earlier. Austin, clearly struggling for fitness and was losing every challenge in the air. The ball was not sticking up front and was giving impetus to Cardiff to build attacks. Chery had a decent first half but was no longer contributing. Gladwin ditto.
As an additional observation, we lost Mackie to injury last week as he had to play a hard 90 minutes and almost lost Austin as well by leaving him on until very late in the game. Players below full fitness are more likely to get injuries when fatigued and we have another midweek away game. | | | |
| In game management on 12:13 - Aug 16 with 1614 views | actonman |
I have responded with a post but unable to post due to being blocked for foul language ?
So to sum up ,
New team, needs to gel, rebuilding job, back to our roots etc etc...... Please give it a rest, yes the sentiment is great but from going from spun king a third world country's debt on sh!sters like Sandro etc to paying 2 Bob for league 1 players with a management team with no experience or nouce whatsoever is taking the pss !!!
2 0 up at home with 25 mins to go and we pss it up the wall ???
The team always gets my full support but the way we are going about things on and off the field is a fking joke and is only going to end in tears again. |  | | |
| In game management on 13:18 - Aug 16 with 1537 views | paulparker |
| In game management on 10:28 - Aug 16 by Jamie |
Exactly.
We are getting overrun despite having an extra man in midfield, so what do people want? Take a man out of midfield. Genius.
As you say, in the near future Rambo & Ferdinand will be sacked and Allardyce will come in. Luongo, Gladwin & Polter will be replaced by Carlton Cole, Matt Jarvis & Kevin Nolan and the cnts booing Rambo will be singing 'were Queen's Park Rangers, we play on the floor'....
We are an awful club and fanbase. |
we are an awful fanbase you say
I make you right, you calling fellow QPR fans cnts who BTW spent there hard earned watching 11 blokes being directed by a clown , just about sums up some fans like you,
its called a difference of opinion, id like to see you call these people cnts to there faces ,
oh and who said anything about fat sam ??? no one has
we are an awful club because we have been run into the ground by an owner who doesn't have a clue, an owner who promises a lot but delivers sweet fa , a bloke who has amassed millions of pounds worth of debt , an owner who promised a "dream manager" but gave us mr cheap , our pre season was a joke , our youth system is a joke ,
our style of play and defensive patterns are a joke , taking off our best player after 55 minutes was a joke , so maybe just maybe those who pay there money year in year out are getting the hump and can see since feb what a dogs dinner ramsey is making of the job
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| In game management on 13:50 - Aug 16 with 1490 views | Jamie |
| In game management on 13:18 - Aug 16 by paulparker |
we are an awful fanbase you say
I make you right, you calling fellow QPR fans cnts who BTW spent there hard earned watching 11 blokes being directed by a clown , just about sums up some fans like you,
its called a difference of opinion, id like to see you call these people cnts to there faces ,
oh and who said anything about fat sam ??? no one has
we are an awful club because we have been run into the ground by an owner who doesn't have a clue, an owner who promises a lot but delivers sweet fa , a bloke who has amassed millions of pounds worth of debt , an owner who promised a "dream manager" but gave us mr cheap , our pre season was a joke , our youth system is a joke ,
our style of play and defensive patterns are a joke , taking off our best player after 55 minutes was a joke , so maybe just maybe those who pay there money year in year out are getting the hump and can see since feb what a dogs dinner ramsey is making of the job
so stop taking the moral high ground |
So you booed Ramsey because of the youth system, preseason and debt which have nothing to do with him?
You booed Ramsey for bringing off Chery to try and solidify our midfield when we were being overrun?
As I said PP, IMO you're embarrassing yourself, but you pay your money, you make your choice.
As for Allardyce, who do you think is going to come here when Ramsey & Ferdinand are chased out of the club? [Post edited 16 Aug 2015 13:51]
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| In game management on 14:12 - Aug 16 with 1446 views | paulparker |
| In game management on 13:50 - Aug 16 by Jamie |
So you booed Ramsey because of the youth system, preseason and debt which have nothing to do with him?
You booed Ramsey for bringing off Chery to try and solidify our midfield when we were being overrun?
As I said PP, IMO you're embarrassing yourself, but you pay your money, you make your choice.
As for Allardyce, who do you think is going to come here when Ramsey & Ferdinand are chased out of the club? [Post edited 16 Aug 2015 13:51]
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I didn't boo
I haven't booed anyone since seamen against forest
But those who did they are justified in doing so ,
Yes your right not all of it is down to Ramsey but this club has been run in an awful fashion
I'm only surprised it's taking this long for the natives to start venting their frustrations
Yesterday was dire , and that's down to Ramsey we ain't the oy new club with new players
So let's stop that as an excuse
As for fat Sam no one has mentioned Him and I don't want him either at the club
We could have gone for
War burton, clough, Adkins , McNamara, Lennon , it's called doing your homework
Not appointing your best mate because he is cheap | |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| In game management on 14:20 - Aug 16 with 1425 views | Jamie |
We scored after Chery went off. But don't let facts get in the way Clive. | | | |
| In game management on 14:28 - Aug 16 with 1406 views | Jamie |
| In game management on 14:12 - Aug 16 by paulparker |
I didn't boo
I haven't booed anyone since seamen against forest
But those who did they are justified in doing so ,
Yes your right not all of it is down to Ramsey but this club has been run in an awful fashion
I'm only surprised it's taking this long for the natives to start venting their frustrations
Yesterday was dire , and that's down to Ramsey we ain't the oy new club with new players
So let's stop that as an excuse
As for fat Sam no one has mentioned Him and I don't want him either at the club
We could have gone for
War burton, clough, Adkins , McNamara, Lennon , it's called doing your homework
Not appointing your best mate because he is cheap |
Of course we aren't the only club with new players, but ours had never played together as an 11, whereas every player in the Cardiff side had played together last season.
If we are not even giving Ramsey 180 minutes to build a squad, then no wonder we are so fcked.
I don't think you realise that Les is to all intents and purposes our manager. Ramsey is our head coach because he is a highly respect coach that Les works well with. When Rambo is booed out, Les will go with him.
As for your list of managers, thats irrelevant, I asked who you think is going to replace Ferdinand/Ramsey when they are chased out. With Rubinho at the helm, we will end up with Allardyce or someone very similar, packing the team with 'experience', whilst those who demanded young and upcoming players, and are now demanding experience, once again demand young and upcoming players.
As said, we are a horrible club at the moment, where the grass is always greener. | | | |
| In game management on 14:54 - Aug 16 with 1381 views | daveB |
disagree he was the best player on the pitch, i thought he played ok nothing special and we looked far more of a threat after he went off | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 17:04 - Aug 18 with 1229 views | SpiritofGregory |
| In game management on 21:05 - Aug 15 by Rangersw12 |
Because we had a player like Adel who was unplayable at times and we're in a far worse position now than we were before the promotion season |
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| In game management on 00:25 - Aug 19 with 1146 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| In game management on 13:50 - Aug 16 by Jamie |
So you booed Ramsey because of the youth system, preseason and debt which have nothing to do with him?
You booed Ramsey for bringing off Chery to try and solidify our midfield when we were being overrun?
As I said PP, IMO you're embarrassing yourself, but you pay your money, you make your choice.
As for Allardyce, who do you think is going to come here when Ramsey & Ferdinand are chased out of the club? [Post edited 16 Aug 2015 13:51]
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I don't buy the assertion that Ramsey had nothing to do with pre-season. He must take his share of the blame for an extremely poor one.
I also don't buy Ramsey's tactical explanation for the Chery substitution as he later contradicted himself by stating that when Cardiff are in full flow, you have to leave them to it. Subbing Chery was totally the wrong call and you're embarrassing yourself by trying to defend it. |  | | |
| In game management on 01:10 - Aug 19 with 769 views | GetMeRangers |
| In game management on 10:57 - Aug 16 by PunteR |
Not sure you can just throw in any old head into the dugout and expect results. Whoever goes in has to back Ramsey. Those successful No2 roles are usually built on trust and a working relationship over a few years. Not all, obviously.
Francis seems perfect and I would have thought already been approached but he would have to buy into what Ramsey and Ferdinand are doing.
Derry would be a good shout Imo. But again,lacks experience of decision making from the dug out. |
If you listen to this weeks Podcast, there is an excellent interview with Gerry Francis. Aside from a great chat about Stan, he talks about QPR approach to him over the summer and despite saying he would love to come back and help CR , he had commitments to WBA. His opinion was that CR needed help
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https://soundcloud.com/west-twelve-media/west-12s-messi |  | | |
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