| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 18:54 - Apr 10 with 2154 views | BillyRudd |
Over the last few weeks I have gone from being mildly concerned as to how many players we can retain for Lg2, to being seriously worried that one or two might actually want to stay.
After all they are drawing a wage in an environment where failure and incompetence are not recognised as such, both on and off the field. Indeed not only not recognised but actually praised and rewarded. That is a sure fire recipe for a further downward spiral next season I,m afraid. Sadly the belief that we are a professional football club is being reinforced from within by collective group think. Terms such as "elite football" at the last forum and "brilliant" to describe our performance at Bloomfield Road will live long in my memory when I think of this season. Total hubris. |  | |  |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:23 - Apr 10 with 2007 views | dingdangblue |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 17:55 - Apr 10 by AlexF |
I'm just really sad tonight. In all my years, I dont remember the side capitulating with this kind of whimper. Maybe stats will prove me wrong, but this feels different in a very bad way :( |
Wait till we lose to Swindon on Tuesday! |  |
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:27 - Apr 10 with 1994 views | James1980 |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 18:17 - Apr 10 by BigDaveMyCock |
I would guess that McShane, Ryan and Lund are amongst the club’s higher earners. The problem has been neither of them have been available for nearly enough games to give us a fighting chance. Don’t get me wrong, any manager can be unlucky with injuries. However, when you sign so many players with bad injury records your tweaking serious nipples. |
I would love to know questions relating to those players contracts were amongst those sent to be asked at the forum. | |
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:27 - Apr 10 with 1990 views | Sandyman |
For the first time in many many years, and definitely this century, I paid no attention to what was happening at the game online, radio, TV, mobile, nothing. Found something more interesting to do. Turns out we lost ineptly again.
Players and fans drained of hope and aspiration.
Two parasites leeching undeserved salaries from our meagre coffers are causing this.
They both have to go now, rather than when there is nothing left of the corpse to feed them with. |  | | |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:28 - Apr 10 with 1987 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 18:53 - Apr 10 by 49thseason |
In which case , as Napoleon is reputed to have said "I'd rather have lucky generals than good ones".
There has been no real gut -busting effort all season, they have been off the pace and unable to match the physicality of any other team in the Division. You can play tippy tappy like world beaters but L1 teams are built on power and strength and will hammer tippy tappy played at half-pace in your own half 99 times out of 100.
That the Manager has even attempted to play his pace-less players with these tactics in L1 should have been a sackable offence on the first day of the season. And what's worse is that the Board have encouraged and rewarded this insanity.
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Major surgery is now the only solution, on the pitch, in the managers office and in the Boardroom. I want a manager who understands the demands of lower league football inside out and brings in players capable of playing 46 games at a high tempo, , a backroom staff that gets the players as fit as butchers dogs and then some and a board that has a plan to do more than just keep the club in existence.
I will not pay to watch half hearted football played by passionless footballers at walking pace. Over to you Mr Dunphy..... |
Mr Dunphy also presided over a relegation from the third tier tbf. The Eyre era, where we just amassed players in an arguably far worse way, was on his watch. Mr Dunphy was undoubtedly a brilliant Chairman but his success was inextricably linked to Keith Hill. That option is no longer available.
Wait, there is another (I say in an Alec Guinness Star Wars typee way)... Flicker? | |
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:42 - Apr 10 with 1917 views | Sandyman |
From Radio Bolton today:
Interview with Brian Bloody Awful starts at 53:25 with review from Radio Bolton reporter afterwards.
"It doesn't worry me"
"Genuinely I feel as if we can stay up"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09c7160 | | | |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:51 - Apr 10 with 1862 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:28 - Apr 10 by BigDaveMyCock |
Mr Dunphy also presided over a relegation from the third tier tbf. The Eyre era, where we just amassed players in an arguably far worse way, was on his watch. Mr Dunphy was undoubtedly a brilliant Chairman but his success was inextricably linked to Keith Hill. That option is no longer available.
Wait, there is another (I say in an Alec Guinness Star Wars typee way)... Flicker? |
The conversation of the parallels between the 2011/12 relegation and this one came up in a group of us earlier this week.
2011/12 P46, W8, D14, L24 Scored 47 Conceded 81 - Points 38
2020/21 (so far) P39 W7, D12, L 20 Scored 47 Conceded 70 - Points 33.
The 2011/12 season was inevitably the loss of Hill and Flitcroft to Barnsley in June 2011 and then the shambles of the start of a season that saw Chris O'Grady sold to Sheffield Wednesday after we had played them on the opening day.
Eyre was useless and out of his depth and rightly sacked in December 2011. John Coleman came in and we were better but the players were not good enough for League 1 and the damage was done.
Eyre was a shambles with players, formations and tactics - no consistency - wins (from memory) away at bury and QPR yet hammered by Stevenage and Hartlepool at home - one of the worst Dale performances in memory.
Financially, the coffers were full. Money from Hill, Flitcroft and O'Grady and the cup run saw us make a good profit. That profit saw us through the next two season and back to League 1.
This season:
We sacked Hill in February 2019 so knowingly went into 2020/21 with BBM, to whom we have given a new contract. We did not renew the contract of our long term captain in Ian Henderson who has a different memory of a contract negotiation to the club's CEO.
We have played pretty much a standard set of players, similar formations, very set and predictable tactics. The players are collectively not good enough.
We will be relegated again but the coffers are empty. The pandemic and the cost of sacking Hill and Beech are the main reasons though the club won't admit the latter.
It will be hard to stabilise in League 2 with all the off the field problems, an inexperienced manager and a squad that will break up at the end of June. We have a number of players out of contract and no money or plan to replace them. [Post edited 10 Apr 2021 20:14]
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:56 - Apr 10 with 1827 views | nordenblue |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:42 - Apr 10 by Sandyman |
From Radio Bolton today:
Interview with Brian Bloody Awful starts at 53:25 with review from Radio Bolton reporter afterwards.
"It doesn't worry me"
"Genuinely I feel as if we can stay up"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09c7160 |
I bet it doesn't fooking worry him, he's got a full year's salary to look forward to for having the worst home record in the country.... and the biggest set of jelly fish spineless bastards surrounding him. | | | |
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:58 - Apr 10 with 1829 views | James1980 |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:42 - Apr 10 by Sandyman |
From Radio Bolton today:
Interview with Brian Bloody Awful starts at 53:25 with review from Radio Bolton reporter afterwards.
"It doesn't worry me"
"Genuinely I feel as if we can stay up"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09c7160 |
As much as people want him to he isn't going to announce his resignation in one of these interviews.
If he says sorry but I think it is a certainty we are going to be playing in League 2 so I must start preparing for that any miniscule glimmer of fight in the team is probably going to be snuffed out. I'd rather there be some belief that however slight we can still stay up. There needs to be more passion and conviction though. | |
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:07 - Apr 10 with 1776 views | todmordendale |
Change of tactics might help to stay up.
Route 1, hoof it into the penalty area. Two big lads in the middle. 50-50 every time.
Better that all that possession in your own box.
No time for purist theory | | | |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:08 - Apr 10 with 1756 views | D_Alien |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:51 - Apr 10 by RAFCBLUE |
The conversation of the parallels between the 2011/12 relegation and this one came up in a group of us earlier this week.
2011/12 P46, W8, D14, L24 Scored 47 Conceded 81 - Points 38
2020/21 (so far) P39 W7, D12, L 20 Scored 47 Conceded 70 - Points 33.
The 2011/12 season was inevitably the loss of Hill and Flitcroft to Barnsley in June 2011 and then the shambles of the start of a season that saw Chris O'Grady sold to Sheffield Wednesday after we had played them on the opening day.
Eyre was useless and out of his depth and rightly sacked in December 2011. John Coleman came in and we were better but the players were not good enough for League 1 and the damage was done.
Eyre was a shambles with players, formations and tactics - no consistency - wins (from memory) away at bury and QPR yet hammered by Stevenage and Hartlepool at home - one of the worst Dale performances in memory.
Financially, the coffers were full. Money from Hill, Flitcroft and O'Grady and the cup run saw us make a good profit. That profit saw us through the next two season and back to League 1.
This season:
We sacked Hill in February 2019 so knowingly went into 2020/21 with BBM, to whom we have given a new contract. We did not renew the contract of our long term captain in Ian Henderson who has a different memory of a contract negotiation to the club's CEO.
We have played pretty much a standard set of players, similar formations, very set and predictable tactics. The players are collectively not good enough.
We will be relegated again but the coffers are empty. The pandemic and the cost of sacking Hill and Beech are the main reasons though the club won't admit the latter.
It will be hard to stabilise in League 2 with all the off the field problems, an inexperienced manager and a squad that will break up at the end of June. We have a number of players out of contract and no money or plan to replace them. [Post edited 10 Apr 2021 20:14]
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Hill went in February 2019 |  |
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:14 - Apr 10 with 1729 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:08 - Apr 10 by D_Alien |
Hill went in February 2019 |
Fixed my typo - Thanks DA. | |
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:17 - Apr 10 with 1701 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 19:51 - Apr 10 by RAFCBLUE |
The conversation of the parallels between the 2011/12 relegation and this one came up in a group of us earlier this week.
2011/12 P46, W8, D14, L24 Scored 47 Conceded 81 - Points 38
2020/21 (so far) P39 W7, D12, L 20 Scored 47 Conceded 70 - Points 33.
The 2011/12 season was inevitably the loss of Hill and Flitcroft to Barnsley in June 2011 and then the shambles of the start of a season that saw Chris O'Grady sold to Sheffield Wednesday after we had played them on the opening day.
Eyre was useless and out of his depth and rightly sacked in December 2011. John Coleman came in and we were better but the players were not good enough for League 1 and the damage was done.
Eyre was a shambles with players, formations and tactics - no consistency - wins (from memory) away at bury and QPR yet hammered by Stevenage and Hartlepool at home - one of the worst Dale performances in memory.
Financially, the coffers were full. Money from Hill, Flitcroft and O'Grady and the cup run saw us make a good profit. That profit saw us through the next two season and back to League 1.
This season:
We sacked Hill in February 2019 so knowingly went into 2020/21 with BBM, to whom we have given a new contract. We did not renew the contract of our long term captain in Ian Henderson who has a different memory of a contract negotiation to the club's CEO.
We have played pretty much a standard set of players, similar formations, very set and predictable tactics. The players are collectively not good enough.
We will be relegated again but the coffers are empty. The pandemic and the cost of sacking Hill and Beech are the main reasons though the club won't admit the latter.
It will be hard to stabilise in League 2 with all the off the field problems, an inexperienced manager and a squad that will break up at the end of June. We have a number of players out of contract and no money or plan to replace them. [Post edited 10 Apr 2021 20:14]
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Good post, but Beech was manager when we were hammered at home by Stevenage and Hill was sacked in March 2019, not February 2020.
As I posted to James the other day, BBM is now in his third season as a manager, albeit this is looking like the only one that will go the distance for him. |  |
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:30 - Apr 10 with 1634 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:17 - Apr 10 by TVOS1907 |
Good post, but Beech was manager when we were hammered at home by Stevenage and Hill was sacked in March 2019, not February 2020.
As I posted to James the other day, BBM is now in his third season as a manager, albeit this is looking like the only one that will go the distance for him. |
Completely forgotten we had Beech in there. That is how bad a season it was.
It's an interesting point you make about BBM being in his third season as a manager. I make it 102 games including today.
5 wins in the last 31 is woeful, for any manager in all competitions since the start of November.
BBM had Hill's squad for the first batch of games as manager and the "new manager" effect.
You'll have the data I am sure but his win percentage must be one of lowest, if not the lowest of all time? | |
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:42 - Apr 10 with 1560 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:30 - Apr 10 by RAFCBLUE |
Completely forgotten we had Beech in there. That is how bad a season it was.
It's an interesting point you make about BBM being in his third season as a manager. I make it 102 games including today.
5 wins in the last 31 is woeful, for any manager in all competitions since the start of November.
BBM had Hill's squad for the first batch of games as manager and the "new manager" effect.
You'll have the data I am sure but his win percentage must be one of lowest, if not the lowest of all time? |
I haven't got the data to hand, but you might have set me my spreadsheet task for the weekend! | |
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:46 - Apr 10 with 1545 views | 442Dale |
Posted after Pompey, now updated after the last two games, think these are right for league matches:
Some stats...
18/19 after BBM took over: 6 wins in 11 games. 20 points
The two seasons since: 17 wins in 73 games. 69 points.
Home form stats...
18/19 4 wins in 6 games, one defeat. 13 points.
Two seasons since: 6 wins in 35 games . 31 points |  |
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:57 - Apr 10 with 1484 views | EllDale |
I’m beginning to wonder if we can include Humphrys in our list of regularly injured players?
If the odds were always stacked against us staying in League 1 from day one at least let’s show some fighting spirit and go down bravely.
This air of complacency starts in the boardroom and filters down to the pitch via the managers office.
And looking at the squad there are too many non-league purchases who are out of their depth if truth be told, too many journeymen pros who no-one else wants, too many injury plagued has beens.
The decent players looked demoralised on today’s performance.
It’s time for Messrs Bottomley and BBM to fall on their swords. And take Lee Riley with them and let him get back to coaching under 12s
We are rapidly becoming a laughing stock and it hurts. | | | |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 21:02 - Apr 10 with 1462 views | seasidedale |
Knowing the incompetence of the club, we will get relegated and then sack BBM costing us 12 month wages when he could have gone now (or end of season) for a lot less. Fingers crossed this will happen | | | |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 21:14 - Apr 10 with 1397 views | Cedar_Room |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:57 - Apr 10 by EllDale |
I’m beginning to wonder if we can include Humphrys in our list of regularly injured players?
If the odds were always stacked against us staying in League 1 from day one at least let’s show some fighting spirit and go down bravely.
This air of complacency starts in the boardroom and filters down to the pitch via the managers office.
And looking at the squad there are too many non-league purchases who are out of their depth if truth be told, too many journeymen pros who no-one else wants, too many injury plagued has beens.
The decent players looked demoralised on today’s performance.
It’s time for Messrs Bottomley and BBM to fall on their swords. And take Lee Riley with them and let him get back to coaching under 12s
We are rapidly becoming a laughing stock and it hurts. |
The writing was on the wall with signings like Newby. Joined us from Chorley who finished rock bottom of the National League the season before, totalling 4 wins and only 31 goals all season. The worst by some considerable distance. How the hell did we expect him to make the step up to League 1 from that?? And let me say he’s far from the worst we’ve brought in - but it’s indicative of the ridiculous demands we made of players who were totally out of their depth. |  | | |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 21:23 - Apr 10 with 1372 views | Cedar_Room |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 20:30 - Apr 10 by RAFCBLUE |
Completely forgotten we had Beech in there. That is how bad a season it was.
It's an interesting point you make about BBM being in his third season as a manager. I make it 102 games including today.
5 wins in the last 31 is woeful, for any manager in all competitions since the start of November.
BBM had Hill's squad for the first batch of games as manager and the "new manager" effect.
You'll have the data I am sure but his win percentage must be one of lowest, if not the lowest of all time? |
BBM win percentage is now at 29.4%
Graham Barrow was 32.3%
Coleman was 26.9%
Eyre was 22.2%
I think previous seasons favour BBMs overall score as if we just counted this season he would be on 19.5% in all competitions
(Most of these stats are from Wikipedia so others may have more accurate numbers) | | | |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 21:27 - Apr 10 with 1353 views | EllDale |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 21:14 - Apr 10 by Cedar_Room |
The writing was on the wall with signings like Newby. Joined us from Chorley who finished rock bottom of the National League the season before, totalling 4 wins and only 31 goals all season. The worst by some considerable distance. How the hell did we expect him to make the step up to League 1 from that?? And let me say he’s far from the worst we’ve brought in - but it’s indicative of the ridiculous demands we made of players who were totally out of their depth. |
Ah but we were told in a podcast that Newby was always going to be signed in the summer no matter who else was signed.
A project.
Championed by Lee Riley. | | | |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 21:45 - Apr 10 with 1302 views | dingdangblue |
I think that was O'Connell's 4rd own goal against us? Bristol Rovers,Sunderland and Newcastle last season and today.
Is this a Dale record?
E OG han [Post edited 10 Apr 2021 21:55]
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 21:47 - Apr 10 with 1289 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 16:34 - Apr 10 by D_Alien |
Today marks the day when the awarding of BBM's contract extension instead of his outright dismissal sees us not just struggling but finally set adrift at the foot of the table
Merit awards all round for our talented leadership, on and off the field |
Reward for Failure!........it's the way of the World these days. | | | |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 21:58 - Apr 10 with 1237 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 21:45 - Apr 10 by dingdangblue |
I think that was O'Connell's 4rd own goal against us? Bristol Rovers,Sunderland and Newcastle last season and today.
Is this a Dale record?
E OG han [Post edited 10 Apr 2021 21:55]
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Looks like it might be. There's quite a few on three, including Keith Hill. | |
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| Match Thread: Fleetwood vs Rochdale on 22:36 - Apr 10 with 1461 views | Shun |
I can’t wait for it to come out that we’ve secretly given McLaughlin, McShane, Ryan, Done and all our other unfit overpaid players contract extensions.
‘Your contract expires June 2021, I believe, Ryan?’
‘June 2025, Graham.’ |  | | |
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