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Bombs at France game and shooting on 15:17 - Nov 14 by WilloW4
I get your point Mate but there seems to be thousands of 'kids' being indoctutrinated into having a 'go' at us, mostly British born, according to world news.
Something similar here, too, but to fight that we need to a) stop giving terrorists the propaganda ammunition they need, ie, that the West hates Muslims and b) reassure local Muslims that the best thing they can do is help prevent these threats growing.
Bombs at France game and shooting on 11:38 - Nov 14 by isawqpratwcity
If you vilify all adherents of Islam then you will fuel a reciprocal action. You will lose the support of the very people, moderate Muslims, who will be most useful in identifying and combating threats. The terrorist propaganda is that we oppress all of Islam and that all Muslims should fight us. We shouldn't help them prove that message.
Bombs at France game and shooting on 15:12 - Nov 14 by isawqpratwcity
I was thinking of Oz when I wrote that. Of that 15 yo who was convinced to go shoot that police aide in Sydney, of that bloke in Melbourne who was being egged on to stab some-one at the Anzac Day Parade by a 14 yo from Britain.
But I don't think it's 'war' yet in Oz, or, imo, Britain. Far more to be gained by keeping these communities welcomed in our society.
Ok I Saw I will stick to the incidents over here. How do you think we could've avoided that murder? In Sydney. Don't you think the internet had something to do with it rather than our oppressive security service? Do you really believe that 15 yo was so downtrodden , so whipped to despair by our oppressive society that he had to resort to murder? Seriously .How could Australia avoided that murder.? He wasn't some ragged arsed youth from the West Bank ,his family were f'cking minted.
That is f'cking superb mate. I've been waiting for something like that for ages. Like the women's Peace Marches in Norn Iron . They were ridiculed and threatened by both sides but they stuck at it and they did make a difference. Looking forward to Muslim peace march ..Does'nt have to be big . Sunni , Shi`ite or whoever.Get them all marching together. Would be cool..
Bombs at France game and shooting on 16:40 - Nov 14 by Pommyhoop
That is f'cking superb mate. I've been waiting for something like that for ages. Like the women's Peace Marches in Norn Iron . They were ridiculed and threatened by both sides but they stuck at it and they did make a difference. Looking forward to Muslim peace march ..Does'nt have to be big . Sunni , Shi`ite or whoever.Get them all marching together. Would be cool..
I agree with you pommyhoop ...but don't expect to see that march in London anytime soon.. And if we do, there will be hundreds of 'radicals' carrying banners saying all sorts of anti shite..( whilst the London taxpayers foot the cost as the Met police 'keep the peace').... Welcome to the NUTHOUSE.......Religion.. I shit it .!!!!!
Bombs at France game and shooting on 16:32 - Nov 14 by BromleyHoop
Being reported on Sky News that one of last nights attackers entered Greece as a refugee earlier this year #Refugeeswelcome.
I said this back during the time that the refugee crisis first began and the only politician to say the same thing was Nigel Farage and he was called a racist for saying so.
Bombs at France game and shooting on 16:51 - Nov 14 by WilloW4
I agree with you pommyhoop ...but don't expect to see that march in London anytime soon.. And if we do, there will be hundreds of 'radicals' carrying banners saying all sorts of anti shite..( whilst the London taxpayers foot the cost as the Met police 'keep the peace').... Welcome to the NUTHOUSE.......Religion.. I shit it .!!!!!
Bombs at France game and shooting on 16:40 - Nov 14 by Pommyhoop
That is f'cking superb mate. I've been waiting for something like that for ages. Like the women's Peace Marches in Norn Iron . They were ridiculed and threatened by both sides but they stuck at it and they did make a difference. Looking forward to Muslim peace march ..Does'nt have to be big . Sunni , Shi`ite or whoever.Get them all marching together. Would be cool..
Who would have known one of last nights bombers entered Europe as a refugee,
Now there is a shock , not
The time for action is now , fcuk all this #prayforparis sh1t from z list celebs & millionaire footballers Same as marching down the street with candles and cardboard messages We need to root out these extremists and get tough with them ,25 year sentences if need be Close down mosques with history of radcallism, shut our borders right away Anyone without a NI number gets deported I await the backlash of being called this and that but fcuk it , I'm sick of this stuff keep happening It will be here soon and it could be anyone of our friends or family involved You can't talk to this lot anyone thinking that is very naive , we cannot keep sweeping this under the carpet
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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Bombs at France game and shooting on 17:54 - Nov 14 with 3260 views
Bombs at France game and shooting on 17:32 - Nov 14 by paulparker
Now there is a shock , not
The time for action is now , fcuk all this #prayforparis sh1t from z list celebs & millionaire footballers Same as marching down the street with candles and cardboard messages We need to root out these extremists and get tough with them ,25 year sentences if need be Close down mosques with history of radcallism, shut our borders right away Anyone without a NI number gets deported I await the backlash of being called this and that but fcuk it , I'm sick of this stuff keep happening It will be here soon and it could be anyone of our friends or family involved You can't talk to this lot anyone thinking that is very naive , we cannot keep sweeping this under the carpet
I still think we should try the Peace March Idea first. Sunnis , Shiites , Wahhabis all linking hands together. None of that hitting themselves till they bleed and burning effigys shit. Just a peaceful march like.
Bombs at France game and shooting on 17:54 - Nov 14 by Pommyhoop
I still think we should try the Peace March Idea first. Sunnis , Shiites , Wahhabis all linking hands together. None of that hitting themselves till they bleed and burning effigys shit. Just a peaceful march like.
You're in oz mate.. Fair enough hugging a tree, but we' re still walking/working/drinking/eating in London..buy yourself a ticket back to London, go on a peace march, travel back to oz, say you've done your bit.. And wait til they have a pop at us again... That's an expensive peace march.
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Bombs at France game and shooting on 18:38 - Nov 14 with 3145 views
Bombs at France game and shooting on 18:20 - Nov 14 by WilloW4
You're in oz mate.. Fair enough hugging a tree, but we' re still walking/working/drinking/eating in London..buy yourself a ticket back to London, go on a peace march, travel back to oz, say you've done your bit.. And wait til they have a pop at us again... That's an expensive peace march.
Ah come on mate . Dialogue is the key . Socialize don't radicalize.
Go to 10 .14 if you cant be arsed to watch the lot..
Bombs at France game and shooting on 17:54 - Nov 14 by Pommyhoop
I still think we should try the Peace March Idea first. Sunnis , Shiites , Wahhabis all linking hands together. None of that hitting themselves till they bleed and burning effigys shit. Just a peaceful march like.
I enjoyed the article in the Telegraph and he should be applauded for taking that stance.I also wish the silent majority of decent Muslims expressed the same sentiments about hunting down their own bad apples. One question that I do have though is about the Muslim communities in this country.Do the divisions that lead to Muslims killing fellow Muslims in other parts of the world exist here? Are there seperate mosques here for Sunni and Shia Muslims?And if they can live together peaceably here,why can't it happen elsewhere?
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Bombs at France game and shooting on 21:14 - Nov 14 with 2861 views
And people wonder why this sh!te happens. As soon as somebody opens their mouth in support of IS or whatever they call themselves, they should be put on a plane out of here the next day along with their immediate and extended family. No ifs no buts. Gone. End of. But no, do nothing and just observe while they and their skumbag wives and children live off the state.
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Bombs at France game and shooting on 21:18 - Nov 14 with 2855 views
Bombs at France game and shooting on 15:15 - Nov 14 by Dorse
I can't subscribe to the idea that atrocities like this are the inevitable result of a belief in the metaphysical. That is overly simplistic and, frankly, ignores the issue in favour of saddling up a personal hobby horse. I have said on previous threads that this conflation of belief, faith, religion and politics in order to make a straw man to defeat is unhelpful and makes all further argument redundant as it becomes a competition to see who can shout the loudest.
Rational thought, reason and faith are in no way antithetical to one another. The issue is how leaders use them to control a narrative in order to achieve their end. It has ever been so. Faith is simply a hope for the future based on a belief. We all experience this; it is a fundamental human trait. But it can be, and is, exploited from our politicians telling us that their policies will result in the best of all possible worlds to an advertiser showing pretty women throwing themselves at people wearing Lynx. We choose to either adopt or reject the offer based on what we hope for the future.
Those responsible for this atrocity have freely chosen to adopt a narrative that is at odds with what the rest of their religious peers believe and hope for their collective future. These imbeciles seem to have missed the simple fact that at the end of every single one of their rak'ah, in all of their salah, they pray for peace in the world! To call them Muslim is to akin to calling every Irishman a terrorist because of the Troubles. Or every QPR fan a kunt because of that cretin pictured saluting at Nurnburg during the 06 World Cup.
They are deluded, self-obsessed idiots who desperately want to feel that their pointless little lives have more value than everyone else's because only they can prevent the desecration of their planet by filthy ideologies that don't jibe with their insular, Walter Mitty-like zeitgeist.
The West is evil? Where are all the innocent Muslims from Syria et al, on whose behalf they claim to struggle, running to? For fcuk's fcuking sake. The implication is, therefore, that only the terrorists have got their religion right, otherwise all the others would be delighted to stay! Since that isn't the case, I'm forced to conclude that the opposite is true.
Fcuk it. I've had enough of this shite.
Peace.
Good post mate
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Bombs at France game and shooting on 22:37 - Nov 14 with 2728 views
Bombs at France game and shooting on 17:54 - Nov 14 by Pommyhoop
I still think we should try the Peace March Idea first. Sunnis , Shiites , Wahhabis all linking hands together. None of that hitting themselves till they bleed and burning effigys shit. Just a peaceful march like.
And invite the Israelis and Palestinians, Pakistanis and Indians, North and South Koreans while you're at it.
And people wonder why this sh!te happens. As soon as somebody opens their mouth in support of IS or whatever they call themselves, they should be put on a plane out of here the next day along with their immediate and extended family. No ifs no buts. Gone. End of. But no, do nothing and just observe while they and their skumbag wives and children live off the state.
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That shit looks like the US version of the Daily Mail to be fair.
Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
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Bombs at France game and shooting on 00:34 - Nov 15 with 2568 views
Bombs at France game and shooting on 23:38 - Nov 14 by Bluce_Ree
That shit looks like the US version of the Daily Mail to be fair.
What difference does that make? Unless you are denying this event even took place or denying that these people and their views exist? Also reported in the Bedford Post as well anyway
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Bombs at France game and shooting on 00:56 - Nov 15 with 2547 views
Bombs at France game and shooting on 16:20 - Nov 14 by Pommyhoop
Ok I Saw I will stick to the incidents over here. How do you think we could've avoided that murder? In Sydney. Don't you think the internet had something to do with it rather than our oppressive security service? Do you really believe that 15 yo was so downtrodden , so whipped to despair by our oppressive society that he had to resort to murder? Seriously .How could Australia avoided that murder.? He wasn't some ragged arsed youth from the West Bank ,his family were f'cking minted.
That Sydney one was difficult. It might have been avoided if more attention was being paid to who he was associating with and what views he was expressing at home, definitely at school, the mosque etc.
I resent bitterly the internet controls introduced by Abbott and Brandis, and I condemn the ALP for not standing up more for the right to privacy. Metadata certainly is a very useful tool against terrorism, but I would not have it used against journalists, bikies, common criminals or Joe Blow on the street without demonstrable, pertinent cause.
And I agree with you that the average Aussie terrorist is not existentially threatened in any meaningful way. They are either radical activists or else impressionable idiot wannabees. The two best ways to fight them is to deny them their persecution complex and to have an untroubled Muslim community prepared to be diligent against radical elements.
Incidentally, I do have one very serious problem with what I'm advocating. I have enormous respect for the 'Great Australian Ethic' ("you're soaking in it...it gets in", as the Palmolive ad used to say), and one major tenet of that is that "You Don't Dob". I have to justify my disregard of that on the basis that we are talking about serious risk to life and limb of unrelated, undeserving individuals.
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