| Johnson v Corbyn 21:06 - Nov 19 with 13232 views | bosh67 |
Anyone else watch this car crash on ITV? |  |
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 21:07 - Nov 19 with 4252 views | aston_hoop |
Bit of an embarrassment for both of them I thought. Corbyn no answers, Johnson just shouting 'GET BREXIT DONE" regardless of the question. bugger that choice. |  |
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 21:26 - Nov 19 with 4174 views | stowmarketrange |
Unfortunately I did.The tories do love a quote don’t they?
First it was strong and stable.Now its dither and delay,and get brexit done.
I don’t think Jc can ever be trusted though until we discover which side of the fence he will come down on instead of sitting on it. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 21:29 - Nov 19 with 4149 views | Sharpy36 |
waste of an hour |  |
| 'You didn't know that was wrong, but now you do. If you do it again, I'll know you are doing it on purpose.' |
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 21:37 - Nov 19 with 4124 views | A_B_4 |
Because Corbyn has never uttered “for the many...”
Hard to believe in either of them after that. The Lib Dem’s came out best IMO by not saying a word!! [Post edited 19 Nov 2019 21:38]
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 22:08 - Nov 19 with 4017 views | ted_hendrix |
Oh bollox I've only gone and missed it, typical now I don't know who to vote for, oh dear woe is me.
*sigh*
Honestly.
What's the |  |
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 22:16 - Nov 19 with 3991 views | QPR_Jim |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 21:26 - Nov 19 by stowmarketrange |
Unfortunately I did.The tories do love a quote don’t they?
First it was strong and stable.Now its dither and delay,and get brexit done.
I don’t think Jc can ever be trusted though until we discover which side of the fence he will come down on instead of sitting on it. |
I didn't get the point of the question though, if he's going to put his deal to a vote then you decide and his preference is redundant. Every PM has supported their own deal and if he come back with one he thought was better than Johnson's I don't see why he wouldn't leave with the deal if that's what people wanted. At least it would rule out being kicked out of No.10 and leaving with no deal. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 22:42 - Nov 19 with 3906 views | stowmarketrange |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 22:16 - Nov 19 by QPR_Jim |
I didn't get the point of the question though, if he's going to put his deal to a vote then you decide and his preference is redundant. Every PM has supported their own deal and if he come back with one he thought was better than Johnson's I don't see why he wouldn't leave with the deal if that's what people wanted. At least it would rule out being kicked out of No.10 and leaving with no deal. |
How can anyone trust a leader that doesn’t show leadership on such an important issue?If he goes and negotiates a new deal,would he show his hand then or not? | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 00:04 - Nov 20 with 3805 views | daveB |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 21:26 - Nov 19 by stowmarketrange |
Unfortunately I did.The tories do love a quote don’t they?
First it was strong and stable.Now its dither and delay,and get brexit done.
I don’t think Jc can ever be trusted though until we discover which side of the fence he will come down on instead of sitting on it. |
we all know he is going to back remain but it would be daft of him to come out and say it |  | | |
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 00:12 - Nov 20 with 3795 views | LazyFan |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 22:42 - Nov 19 by stowmarketrange |
How can anyone trust a leader that doesn’t show leadership on such an important issue?If he goes and negotiates a new deal,would he show his hand then or not? |
I agree.
You must be talking about Johnson of course, as he decided to show leadership on Brexit by coin tossing whether he should publish for it or for Remain. Great leadership that, on a whim of what he thought would get him into power.
Not to mention that he will change his agreed Bojo+Brexit deal, now he has more time, to a Canada++ one to keep Farage happy. Thus changing his mind yet again!!!
This makes 4 changes now.....
1. Change from for Remain to being for Brexit.
2. Change from voting for Brexit to Mays+Brexit.
3. Change from voting for Mays+Brexit to Bojo+Brexit.
4. Now he wants to change from voting for his own Bojo-Brexit to Canada++Brexit (Farage approved).
What's the betting if he wins that he will change it again?
Probably to something that the establishment who he truly serves will love and one that Farage will go mad about but be able to do nothing about. That would be funny :P
Not to mention the change of great leadership on "Austerity Works" (which our new Chancellor Savid was also adamant on), to spend more than 1970s' Labour.
What's more interesting is that the right-wing press never points out that a lot of these current "proper Tory" policies would have been lambasted by the press as too "loony lefty" at the last election and as being "crazy socialist" ones that would "wreck the economy". Yet these are all perfectly acceptable now. So, the right-wing press has changed their tune on leadership too. The socialist fear by the establishment is real!
But at least you know where you stand with Corbyn:
He doesn't really trust the EU, but trusts Bojo less.
He will make a deal he likes and then let you vote on it, even if that is against the Brexit that you wanted and voted for.
He is against Brexit and therefore by default for Remain-Like or outright Remain by peoples vote if his hand is forced.
He wants to rob the rich to give to the poor. And he is blatant that he will rob the rich via fancy words such as re-distribution.
He will go after the corporates. And try to rob them too.
He hates BT more than we do.
He hates Blair more than we do and more than he hates Bojo!
He loves the prices on Southwest trains, as such "rip-off Britain" (remember that phrase) prices allows him to justify re-nationalisation (as originally trains were private but failed us in WW2 so, the UK people had to take them over, as the rich UK management bosses would have lost us the war).
He hates the energy companies as much as we do.
He wishes he was as eco-warrior as the Greens, but he isn't.
and so on...
Here is the bit the press ain't telling you. While he is way down the polls personally, polls on Labour policies on the actual policies, you know policies, you remember them yes? Well, they are way ahead of all other parties.
This is why it doesn't matter that Corbyn is rubbish. As he actually is irrelevant as people will vote for the policies as they did in the last election. That is why Labour did so, well as it's the policies that mattered not Corbyn.
Now they publish the manifesto this week. Let's see if the right-wing press will hammer it or hide it. They will have a good go of course, but how much of a go? An attack that fades by Monday and moves back to Corbyn means they know its a winner. Or if its a screw up by Labour then they keep going. That manifesto will decide this election.
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 00:34 - Nov 20 with 3774 views | QPR_Jim |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 00:04 - Nov 20 by daveB |
we all know he is going to back remain but it would be daft of him to come out and say it |
On returning from negotiations with the EU he'd have to sell his deal otherwise he'd look like he'd failed in the negotiations. There's a possibility he might back remain but only because he probably won't be able to get a deal that he could honestly say is better for the country than our current membership of the EU. But in that situation he'd be better to stay out of it and let others campaign for leave and remain and he could get on with sorting the country out.
That said I think once he's put it to a vote and leave wins he'd go with his deal in order to end the issue (which will hopefully be better than the current deal) and to avoid a no deal situation or allowing the conservatives to dictate the direction of the country after Brexit.
So all in all I think he'd stick to what he's promised and his stance on leave/remain is neither here nor there. I think it's a better form of leadership for uniting the country than taming your deal down the people's throats like Boris is proposing. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 00:49 - Nov 20 with 3763 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 00:34 - Nov 20 by QPR_Jim |
On returning from negotiations with the EU he'd have to sell his deal otherwise he'd look like he'd failed in the negotiations. There's a possibility he might back remain but only because he probably won't be able to get a deal that he could honestly say is better for the country than our current membership of the EU. But in that situation he'd be better to stay out of it and let others campaign for leave and remain and he could get on with sorting the country out.
That said I think once he's put it to a vote and leave wins he'd go with his deal in order to end the issue (which will hopefully be better than the current deal) and to avoid a no deal situation or allowing the conservatives to dictate the direction of the country after Brexit.
So all in all I think he'd stick to what he's promised and his stance on leave/remain is neither here nor there. I think it's a better form of leadership for uniting the country than taming your deal down the people's throats like Boris is proposing. |
Sorry but in order to win my vote I expect parties to make their stance on Brexit clear before the election as we can only get on with other business once this matter is finally concluded. I have respect for both the Tories and Lib Dems for having a clear policy on Brexit. Hedging your bets, as Corbyn is doing, shows a real lack of courage and leadership. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 00:57 - Nov 20 with 3760 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 22:42 - Nov 19 by stowmarketrange |
How can anyone trust a leader that doesn’t show leadership on such an important issue?If he goes and negotiates a new deal,would he show his hand then or not? |
Moreover, how can we trust Corbyn to negotiate a good deal for Britain if privately he (and the party) are for Remain?
If he manages to negotiate a new deal, which camp will he campaign for during a second referendum? If he backs Remain then he'll look stupid as he'll be campaigning against his own deal. If he backs his deal but the public vote to Remain then he should step down.
And that's before you even consider the merits of a second referendum given that Parliament failed to honour the first.
Personally I think JC and the Labour Party are backing themselves into a corner on this issue. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 01:05 - Nov 20 with 3756 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 00:12 - Nov 20 by LazyFan |
I agree.
You must be talking about Johnson of course, as he decided to show leadership on Brexit by coin tossing whether he should publish for it or for Remain. Great leadership that, on a whim of what he thought would get him into power.
Not to mention that he will change his agreed Bojo+Brexit deal, now he has more time, to a Canada++ one to keep Farage happy. Thus changing his mind yet again!!!
This makes 4 changes now.....
1. Change from for Remain to being for Brexit.
2. Change from voting for Brexit to Mays+Brexit.
3. Change from voting for Mays+Brexit to Bojo+Brexit.
4. Now he wants to change from voting for his own Bojo-Brexit to Canada++Brexit (Farage approved).
What's the betting if he wins that he will change it again?
Probably to something that the establishment who he truly serves will love and one that Farage will go mad about but be able to do nothing about. That would be funny :P
Not to mention the change of great leadership on "Austerity Works" (which our new Chancellor Savid was also adamant on), to spend more than 1970s' Labour.
What's more interesting is that the right-wing press never points out that a lot of these current "proper Tory" policies would have been lambasted by the press as too "loony lefty" at the last election and as being "crazy socialist" ones that would "wreck the economy". Yet these are all perfectly acceptable now. So, the right-wing press has changed their tune on leadership too. The socialist fear by the establishment is real!
But at least you know where you stand with Corbyn:
He doesn't really trust the EU, but trusts Bojo less.
He will make a deal he likes and then let you vote on it, even if that is against the Brexit that you wanted and voted for.
He is against Brexit and therefore by default for Remain-Like or outright Remain by peoples vote if his hand is forced.
He wants to rob the rich to give to the poor. And he is blatant that he will rob the rich via fancy words such as re-distribution.
He will go after the corporates. And try to rob them too.
He hates BT more than we do.
He hates Blair more than we do and more than he hates Bojo!
He loves the prices on Southwest trains, as such "rip-off Britain" (remember that phrase) prices allows him to justify re-nationalisation (as originally trains were private but failed us in WW2 so, the UK people had to take them over, as the rich UK management bosses would have lost us the war).
He hates the energy companies as much as we do.
He wishes he was as eco-warrior as the Greens, but he isn't.
and so on...
Here is the bit the press ain't telling you. While he is way down the polls personally, polls on Labour policies on the actual policies, you know policies, you remember them yes? Well, they are way ahead of all other parties.
This is why it doesn't matter that Corbyn is rubbish. As he actually is irrelevant as people will vote for the policies as they did in the last election. That is why Labour did so, well as it's the policies that mattered not Corbyn.
Now they publish the manifesto this week. Let's see if the right-wing press will hammer it or hide it. They will have a good go of course, but how much of a go? An attack that fades by Monday and moves back to Corbyn means they know its a winner. Or if its a screw up by Labour then they keep going. That manifesto will decide this election.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
Sorry but I didn't know where I stood with Corbyn before the debate and I'm none the wiser now. And I'll be amazed if this magic manifesto makes Labour's position on Brexit any clearer or roots out anti-Semitism from the party.
I do agree, however, that Corbyn is irrelevant as to date his party has him fighting this election with one arm tied behind his back. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 07:32 - Nov 20 with 3581 views | stowmarketrange |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 00:12 - Nov 20 by LazyFan |
I agree.
You must be talking about Johnson of course, as he decided to show leadership on Brexit by coin tossing whether he should publish for it or for Remain. Great leadership that, on a whim of what he thought would get him into power.
Not to mention that he will change his agreed Bojo+Brexit deal, now he has more time, to a Canada++ one to keep Farage happy. Thus changing his mind yet again!!!
This makes 4 changes now.....
1. Change from for Remain to being for Brexit.
2. Change from voting for Brexit to Mays+Brexit.
3. Change from voting for Mays+Brexit to Bojo+Brexit.
4. Now he wants to change from voting for his own Bojo-Brexit to Canada++Brexit (Farage approved).
What's the betting if he wins that he will change it again?
Probably to something that the establishment who he truly serves will love and one that Farage will go mad about but be able to do nothing about. That would be funny :P
Not to mention the change of great leadership on "Austerity Works" (which our new Chancellor Savid was also adamant on), to spend more than 1970s' Labour.
What's more interesting is that the right-wing press never points out that a lot of these current "proper Tory" policies would have been lambasted by the press as too "loony lefty" at the last election and as being "crazy socialist" ones that would "wreck the economy". Yet these are all perfectly acceptable now. So, the right-wing press has changed their tune on leadership too. The socialist fear by the establishment is real!
But at least you know where you stand with Corbyn:
He doesn't really trust the EU, but trusts Bojo less.
He will make a deal he likes and then let you vote on it, even if that is against the Brexit that you wanted and voted for.
He is against Brexit and therefore by default for Remain-Like or outright Remain by peoples vote if his hand is forced.
He wants to rob the rich to give to the poor. And he is blatant that he will rob the rich via fancy words such as re-distribution.
He will go after the corporates. And try to rob them too.
He hates BT more than we do.
He hates Blair more than we do and more than he hates Bojo!
He loves the prices on Southwest trains, as such "rip-off Britain" (remember that phrase) prices allows him to justify re-nationalisation (as originally trains were private but failed us in WW2 so, the UK people had to take them over, as the rich UK management bosses would have lost us the war).
He hates the energy companies as much as we do.
He wishes he was as eco-warrior as the Greens, but he isn't.
and so on...
Here is the bit the press ain't telling you. While he is way down the polls personally, polls on Labour policies on the actual policies, you know policies, you remember them yes? Well, they are way ahead of all other parties.
This is why it doesn't matter that Corbyn is rubbish. As he actually is irrelevant as people will vote for the policies as they did in the last election. That is why Labour did so, well as it's the policies that mattered not Corbyn.
Now they publish the manifesto this week. Let's see if the right-wing press will hammer it or hide it. They will have a good go of course, but how much of a go? An attack that fades by Monday and moves back to Corbyn means they know its a winner. Or if its a screw up by Labour then they keep going. That manifesto will decide this election.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
I don’t trust any of them,which is why,given the 4 choices in my constituency,I don’t think I”ll bother wasting the lead in the pencil.
Despite your lengthy reply,I still don’t believe that he can sit on the fence on this issue and expect the electorate to trust him. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 07:38 - Nov 20 with 3559 views | stowmarketrange |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 00:57 - Nov 20 by Benny_the_Ball |
Moreover, how can we trust Corbyn to negotiate a good deal for Britain if privately he (and the party) are for Remain?
If he manages to negotiate a new deal, which camp will he campaign for during a second referendum? If he backs Remain then he'll look stupid as he'll be campaigning against his own deal. If he backs his deal but the public vote to Remain then he should step down.
And that's before you even consider the merits of a second referendum given that Parliament failed to honour the first.
Personally I think JC and the Labour Party are backing themselves into a corner on this issue. |
I personally don’t think 17.4 million voted for the softest version of brexit there could ever be.One that will tie us to the EU as much as we are now.Of course the EU would agree to such a deal.
So there will be a choice of stay as we are,or virtually stay as we are with their brexit deal.No thanks. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 08:01 - Nov 20 with 3530 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 07:38 - Nov 20 by stowmarketrange |
I personally don’t think 17.4 million voted for the softest version of brexit there could ever be.One that will tie us to the EU as much as we are now.Of course the EU would agree to such a deal.
So there will be a choice of stay as we are,or virtually stay as we are with their brexit deal.No thanks. |
Yeah they probably should have been a bit clearer on that rather than just putting the most dumbed down question possible to the electorate to shut up the moron wing of the Tories. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 08:15 - Nov 20 with 3499 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 22:16 - Nov 19 by QPR_Jim |
I didn't get the point of the question though, if he's going to put his deal to a vote then you decide and his preference is redundant. Every PM has supported their own deal and if he come back with one he thought was better than Johnson's I don't see why he wouldn't leave with the deal if that's what people wanted. At least it would rule out being kicked out of No.10 and leaving with no deal. |
That is a very good point. So why is it so difficult for him to say exactly that? |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 09:17 - Nov 20 with 3408 views | francisbowles |
I don't know where people get the idea that Corbyn is a remainer. He has a long history of euroscepticism.
He is a rare voice at the top of the labour party surrounded by remainers.
That is why firstly kept the party from committing to a policy on Brexit for so long and now why he is refusing to make his personal view known. He is swimming against the tide in his own area and he can't come out against party policy, unless of course labour wins and then he will be on a stronger wicket. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 09:23 - Nov 20 with 3393 views | Northernr |
Got through about half of it. God almighty, absolutely dire.
Of course the answer to this is "it works" but who, how and why have we got to this point where you just completely ignore the question you've been asked, say "get brexit done" or some other meaningless, trite catchphrase like that whether it's what you've been asked about or not, and that's enough to impress people and get them to vote for you?
The bit that I saw they were both absolutely fcking despicable. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 09:41 - Nov 20 with 3347 views | CaptainPugwash |
If you'm got to wait until a tv debate to make up yer mind youse probably shoudnt be votin'. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 10:01 - Nov 20 with 3314 views | QPR_Nippon |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 09:23 - Nov 20 by Northernr |
Got through about half of it. God almighty, absolutely dire.
Of course the answer to this is "it works" but who, how and why have we got to this point where you just completely ignore the question you've been asked, say "get brexit done" or some other meaningless, trite catchphrase like that whether it's what you've been asked about or not, and that's enough to impress people and get them to vote for you?
The bit that I saw they were both absolutely fcking despicable. |
You’ve called both of them despicable but only given an example for Johnson.
There’s plenty of evidence that Johnson is a lying, self-serving charlatan. What makes Corbyn equally worthy of criticism? Seriously, I’d love to know because with Corbyn I’ve heard nothing that amounts to anything more than ‘well he just is’ or ‘well, they’re all the same aren’t they?’ |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 10:07 - Nov 20 with 3295 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 09:17 - Nov 20 by francisbowles |
I don't know where people get the idea that Corbyn is a remainer. He has a long history of euroscepticism.
He is a rare voice at the top of the labour party surrounded by remainers.
That is why firstly kept the party from committing to a policy on Brexit for so long and now why he is refusing to make his personal view known. He is swimming against the tide in his own area and he can't come out against party policy, unless of course labour wins and then he will be on a stronger wicket. |
Speaking for myself, being a Eurosceptic doesn’t mean you voted leave. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 10:14 - Nov 20 with 3276 views | daveB |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 00:49 - Nov 20 by Benny_the_Ball |
Sorry but in order to win my vote I expect parties to make their stance on Brexit clear before the election as we can only get on with other business once this matter is finally concluded. I have respect for both the Tories and Lib Dems for having a clear policy on Brexit. Hedging your bets, as Corbyn is doing, shows a real lack of courage and leadership. |
both positions are pretty clear whether you agree with them or not.
Johnson will leave with his/May's deal
Corbyn will go back to the EU and push for a Customs Union deal and then put that to another vote against Remain | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 10:16 - Nov 20 with 3274 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 10:01 - Nov 20 by QPR_Nippon |
You’ve called both of them despicable but only given an example for Johnson.
There’s plenty of evidence that Johnson is a lying, self-serving charlatan. What makes Corbyn equally worthy of criticism? Seriously, I’d love to know because with Corbyn I’ve heard nothing that amounts to anything more than ‘well he just is’ or ‘well, they’re all the same aren’t they?’ |
Without telling me who, I’d be really interested to know if anyone changed their voting intention after that debate last night? Or if anyone was undecided and has now decided? | | | |
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