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It seems that some think that you can’t express an opinion or concern about Qatar unless you’ve also come our against every other dodgy regime in the history of time.
There’s accusations of hypocrisy and virtue signalling.
Does this stimulate or shut down debate?
See also the type of response if you have environmental concerns - “you drive a car so your opinions don’t count” and concerns around refugees “if you don’t house one you’re a hypocrite”.
Surely we can be more nuanced?
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A type of cancel culture? on 18:35 - Nov 22 with 4134 views
It’s very simple. This was a corrupt decision. They’ve all but admitted so. This means that dialogue on this is tricky. It’s like Covid,where people denied it,refused to distance,then not to innoculate, this is because mankind cannot deal with the straight forward and obvious. Qatar ,like most Middle East countries is socially backward by about 300 years .
We can’t handle it
Not unlike people refusing to accept Russian butchering innocent women and children in a European sovereign state .
A type of cancel culture? on 18:42 - Nov 22 by onehunglow
It’s very simple. This was a corrupt decision. They’ve all but admitted so. This means that dialogue on this is tricky. It’s like Covid,where people denied it,refused to distance,then not to innoculate, this is because mankind cannot deal with the straight forward and obvious. Qatar ,like most Middle East countries is socially backward by about 300 years .
We can’t handle it
Not unlike people refusing to accept Russian butchering innocent women and children in a European sovereign state .
It’s all about how we handle evil
300 years...that's generous.
Dialogue shouldn't be tricky, criticising Qatar doesn't mean you agree with Russia or China or that you love Pol Pot or Papa Doc. Just because somebody hasn't noticed you criticisng them, it's nothing, it's meaningless whataboutery.
A type of cancel culture? on 19:18 - Nov 22 by Catullus
300 years...that's generous.
Dialogue shouldn't be tricky, criticising Qatar doesn't mean you agree with Russia or China or that you love Pol Pot or Papa Doc. Just because somebody hasn't noticed you criticisng them, it's nothing, it's meaningless whataboutery.
300 years seems excessive.
Women in Britain were expected to dress conservatively and denied the right to vote in the UK not much more than 100 years ago. Homosexuals could be sent to jail less than 60 years ago.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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A type of cancel culture? on 19:27 - Nov 22 with 4091 views
A type of cancel culture? on 18:42 - Nov 22 by onehunglow
It’s very simple. This was a corrupt decision. They’ve all but admitted so. This means that dialogue on this is tricky. It’s like Covid,where people denied it,refused to distance,then not to innoculate, this is because mankind cannot deal with the straight forward and obvious. Qatar ,like most Middle East countries is socially backward by about 300 years .
We can’t handle it
Not unlike people refusing to accept Russian butchering innocent women and children in a European sovereign state .
It’s all about how we handle evil
Every world cup given has been bribes but keep trying
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A type of cancel culture? on 19:47 - Nov 22 with 4059 views
It’s just very tiring that the thing that people seem to be always outraged about is the one that draws most attention to them.
When you take on the position of virtue then it will certainly be asked why you don’t hold the same standards elsewhere.
I’m sure people would say the same if I claimed to be outraged by meat farming and claiming I’m so furious by it all I’ve gone vegan… but still eat bacon because it tastes nice.
People will quite rightly ask why I am not consistent in my values. But due to my actions matching my words it would never be an issue, my beliefs are consistent in my life and no amount of questioning will shut that down, because it’s done for genuine reasons and not attention.
But it’s not cancel culture no. You are more than welcome to be dead against Qatar and boycott it because it’s flavour of the month while still be more that happy to not boycott other places such as China for their products.
But people may well ask you why. Which is certainly a fair question to ask of such a position.
It shouldn’t shut down debate though or “cancel” you, you should have the answers to any questions asked of your position. It only shuts down debate if you have no answers and as a result also realise that the questions being asked are difficult to answer as the answers will sound hypocritical, but that’s because they are.
Not being able to answer simple questions due to a position that makes no real sense is kind of a self cancelling. The debate stops simply because the position cannot be defended by the person being questioned.
See also: demanding socialism and slamming billionaires while posting on an iPhone and sipping a Starbucks. It all falls under the same nonsense that people will not listen to or take seriously, for very obvious reasons.
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A type of cancel culture? on 19:48 - Nov 22 with 4059 views
A type of cancel culture? on 19:25 - Nov 22 by Dr_Winston
300 years seems excessive.
Women in Britain were expected to dress conservatively and denied the right to vote in the UK not much more than 100 years ago. Homosexuals could be sent to jail less than 60 years ago.
When England held the World Cup homosexuality was illegal and only a few years before we were routinely pumping oestrogen into men causing them to grow tits Katie price would be proud of.
A type of cancel culture? on 19:27 - Nov 22 by CountyJim
Every world cup given has been bribes but keep trying
Yes but not every world cup has been played in a country like Qatar.
We can look at several world cups and say they were in corrupt countries, bad countries. Russia, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, South Africa but do any of them having hosted mean we can't criticise FIFA and Qatar?
A type of cancel culture? on 20:05 - Nov 22 by Catullus
Yes but not every world cup has been played in a country like Qatar.
We can look at several world cups and say they were in corrupt countries, bad countries. Russia, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, South Africa but do any of them having hosted mean we can't criticise FIFA and Qatar?
Frankly, this whole matter has got to me,so much that from now, I quit posting . I will read but will do my best not to comment on anything really. There is contention in every walk off life
A type of cancel culture? on 19:25 - Nov 22 by Dr_Winston
300 years seems excessive.
Women in Britain were expected to dress conservatively and denied the right to vote in the UK not much more than 100 years ago. Homosexuals could be sent to jail less than 60 years ago.
I suppose it depends which conext you use, I'm saying that these islamic countries are still using a rulebook that's well over 300 years old.
A type of cancel culture? on 20:18 - Nov 22 by Catullus
I suppose it depends which conext you use, I'm saying that these islamic countries are still using a rulebook that's well over 300 years old.
If you are looking at it from a Western point of view.
They may think our rule book is ludicrous and are grossly offended by much in our society.
Imposing our beliefs on other countries because we feel our ways are superior, doesn’t tend to end very well.
I am happy enough to say I would not be happy if I lived in that kind of society, but also understand the fact that all places are different and have different beliefs driven by different levels of religious interpretation and traditions.
This is why capitalism is such an important concept, a fair amount of people can always make themselves what they want to be and move to whatever country and live under whatever rule book they choose, within reason.
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A type of cancel culture? on 20:35 - Nov 22 with 3971 views
A type of cancel culture? on 20:25 - Nov 22 by mart66
If you are looking at it from a Western point of view.
They may think our rule book is ludicrous and are grossly offended by much in our society.
Imposing our beliefs on other countries because we feel our ways are superior, doesn’t tend to end very well.
I am happy enough to say I would not be happy if I lived in that kind of society, but also understand the fact that all places are different and have different beliefs driven by different levels of religious interpretation and traditions.
This is why capitalism is such an important concept, a fair amount of people can always make themselves what they want to be and move to whatever country and live under whatever rule book they choose, within reason.
I'm not trying to impose my beliefs on Qatar though, my position is that FIFA should never have awarded the World Cup to a country like Qatar. FIFA has it's own values of equality and inclusivity, here you go, their web page,
"FIFA used its considerable influence platform to reiterate the message that discrimination in any forms has no place in football or society in general with a series of digital campaigns in 2020. Forty FIFA Legends and current professional footballers, each sporting a black jersey, posted messages including #StopRacism and #StopDiscrimination on social media, reaching tens of millions of fans worldwide".
So it's not me projecting my values, it's FIFA ignoring their own values for money.
A type of cancel culture? on 20:18 - Nov 22 by Catullus
I suppose it depends which conext you use, I'm saying that these islamic countries are still using a rulebook that's well over 300 years old.
For centuries many parts of the Islamic world was the beacon for culture, art, science and progress. It’s only relatively recently they have messed it all up.
A type of cancel culture? on 20:35 - Nov 22 by Catullus
I'm not trying to impose my beliefs on Qatar though, my position is that FIFA should never have awarded the World Cup to a country like Qatar. FIFA has it's own values of equality and inclusivity, here you go, their web page,
"FIFA used its considerable influence platform to reiterate the message that discrimination in any forms has no place in football or society in general with a series of digital campaigns in 2020. Forty FIFA Legends and current professional footballers, each sporting a black jersey, posted messages including #StopRacism and #StopDiscrimination on social media, reaching tens of millions of fans worldwide".
So it's not me projecting my values, it's FIFA ignoring their own values for money.
But they aren’t real values, people need to understand that.
It’s virtue, good for business and sponsorship. But will be dropped at any second as soon as it’s convenient.
Which is why people question this sort of virtue in everyone when they come out “campaigning” for the next topic of the month.
To expect FIFA to be consistent when those complaining about it aren’t consistent themselves is a bit rich. Especially when those complaining about FIFA’s inconsistencies… then complain about people pointing out their own inconsistencies.
These players have been kneeling for the last 2 seasons for inclusivity and equality we are led to believe - the second they get a chance to play at a World Cup then all those beliefs go out the window for personal gain.
People may now be realising how false and poisonous this whole thing is.
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A type of cancel culture? on 20:43 - Nov 22 with 3948 views
For centuries many parts of the Islamic world was the beacon for culture, art, science and progress. It’s only relatively recently they have messed it all up.
Yes, go back far enough and they were beacons in some respects but even so, during all that time since some rules haven't changed. Most of the world moved on without them. That was the point, some of their rules are 1000 years old.
They had some fantastic scientists and they were well ahead of Europe (medically speaking) for a long time but now, in most respects they are behind. If they didn't have oil money to buy us, how many would bother with the Arabs?
A type of cancel culture? on 20:05 - Nov 22 by Catullus
Yes but not every world cup has been played in a country like Qatar.
We can look at several world cups and say they were in corrupt countries, bad countries. Russia, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, South Africa but do any of them having hosted mean we can't criticise FIFA and Qatar?
That’s sort of my point, Cat. You should be allowed to criticise without it always being taken to the nth degree.
If you go down the road of criticising Qatar, that doesn’t automatically mean you shouldn’t own a VW or shop at Sainsburys because there’s Qatari money involved.
Same as it was possible to support the Ukrainian refugee scheme without taking a family in.
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A type of cancel culture? on 21:22 - Nov 22 with 3905 views
A type of cancel culture? on 21:03 - Nov 22 by Gwyn737
That’s sort of my point, Cat. You should be allowed to criticise without it always being taken to the nth degree.
If you go down the road of criticising Qatar, that doesn’t automatically mean you shouldn’t own a VW or shop at Sainsburys because there’s Qatari money involved.
Same as it was possible to support the Ukrainian refugee scheme without taking a family in.
You are allowed.
But people will rightly point out the hypocrisy there.
You are complaining about funding one regime while directly giving to another similar one, that’s not being “taken to the nth degree”. It’s wondering why convenience is an excuse in your life to take advantage of these kind of regimes but you don’t accept it when others also do so for personal gain.
Outwardly supporting the Ukrainian refugee scheme while having the finances and space to house one… but refusing to - is shocking. Don’t you think?
People want all the social trappings of speaking out regarding these issues but none of the burden of what is involved to make those words count.
I can’t stand it personally. One of the ugliest things in our society, everyone is so false and perception driven.
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A type of cancel culture? on 22:10 - Nov 22 with 3863 views
A type of cancel culture? on 20:05 - Nov 22 by Catullus
Yes but not every world cup has been played in a country like Qatar.
We can look at several world cups and say they were in corrupt countries, bad countries. Russia, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, South Africa but do any of them having hosted mean we can't criticise FIFA and Qatar?
After the PPE debacle in this country and many other dodgy governmental deals I hardly think our greenhouse could withstand others stones.
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
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A type of cancel culture? on 22:56 - Nov 22 with 3822 views
A type of cancel culture? on 23:03 - Nov 22 by Sirjohnalot
Recent one ? I’ve not deleted anything.
There’s a ‘Russian Thread’ a couple of posts down
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I have. Because some people can’t debate without throwing personal insults about. I’ve spent a part of this evening removing posts, managing abuse reports and responding to at least four people who should be banned. They know who they are.
We move on.
However, If there’s an issue with certain then threads start a new one, and then manage it as if it’s your own personal debate and take responsibility. I say this because there’s very few on here who ever think before they post. And it confirms to me, like it does on other sites that the poster couldn’t care about regards the damage they do because of their selfish attitude.
Any takers ?
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A type of cancel culture? on 22:10 - Nov 22 by mart66
For anyone in any doubt what sort of culture this phoney virtue, narcissistic behaviour breeds… well here it is in all its phoney glory:
Makes me shudder.
I watched that video and agree that everything about it is problematic.
The people are acting up and being silly, the video itself and the guy talking are no better.....trying to portray the people in the video as narcissistic but being so themselves and infact a lot more narcissistic than those in the video.
The video is worth watching as cringe worthy as it is in all angles from the people in it, the guy doing the talking and the thought and planning being put in to make it.
A type of cancel culture? on 08:08 - Nov 23 by magicdaps10
I watched that video and agree that everything about it is problematic.
The people are acting up and being silly, the video itself and the guy talking are no better.....trying to portray the people in the video as narcissistic but being so themselves and infact a lot more narcissistic than those in the video.
The video is worth watching as cringe worthy as it is in all angles from the people in it, the guy doing the talking and the thought and planning being put in to make it.
👠Interesting and awakening video for sure.
No issue with people making videos of these vapid creatures.
The maker isn’t doing anything to appear virtuous or portray himself as something he is not. His face isn’t even in the video and he simply talks his way through this sheer madness.
The more free thinkers and people snap out of this mutually played game the better. Everyone knows when they see the “furious today” statuses on Facebook that they are simply looking for attention but still play the “are you ok hun? Inbox me” game as they know that they may well also need that attention stoked in the future. They need their dopamine hit and are addicted to the likes they get.
Social media has turned a whole generation of people into soulless, head nodding clones of each other where unless everyone thinks and acts exactly the same then they are targeted for cancelling.
Debate and difference is seen as aggressive and something to be feared and would rather silence their dissenters rather than discuss with them, largely because they have no reasoning behind their views and actions other than to garner as much positive reaction as possible.
I don’t think I have ever seen such regimented thought in my entire life than the last 5 years, and it’s getting worse.
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A type of cancel culture? on 12:08 - Nov 23 with 3639 views
A type of cancel culture? on 11:24 - Nov 23 by mart66
No issue with people making videos of these vapid creatures.
The maker isn’t doing anything to appear virtuous or portray himself as something he is not. His face isn’t even in the video and he simply talks his way through this sheer madness.
The more free thinkers and people snap out of this mutually played game the better. Everyone knows when they see the “furious today” statuses on Facebook that they are simply looking for attention but still play the “are you ok hun? Inbox me” game as they know that they may well also need that attention stoked in the future. They need their dopamine hit and are addicted to the likes they get.
Social media has turned a whole generation of people into soulless, head nodding clones of each other where unless everyone thinks and acts exactly the same then they are targeted for cancelling.
Debate and difference is seen as aggressive and something to be feared and would rather silence their dissenters rather than discuss with them, largely because they have no reasoning behind their views and actions other than to garner as much positive reaction as possible.
I don’t think I have ever seen such regimented thought in my entire life than the last 5 years, and it’s getting worse.
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Those were the days when this site was once well and truly a permanent 'outrage-fest' inhabited by virtue signaling losers deeply offended by their own malicious false racist accusation(s) that they had just made up in their own heads....And calling people "gammon" whilst doing so, now that really adds up to 'grown-up' debate.
And who fights against racism by desperately trying to keep it "en vogue" despite the fact it was (until they showed up!) soooooooooo "last century" and out-of-fashion.
In cahoots with the Nazi "knuckle draggers" who do not want racism to go away either????
Talk about lacking common sense, critical thinking skills and self awareness!!!!
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