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Donate each month for shares 16:42 - Aug 9 with 16237 views

https://www.daletrust.co.uk/.../trust-launches-monthly.../

Following a request by Trust members, we are now launching a scheme where you can make a regular monthly donation to the Trust that will be ringfenced in order to purchase further shares to help safeguard the future of the Club.

We are launching a "Monthly shares donation" where supporters can donate a regular amount of their choice to the Trust each month. Any money raised through this scheme will be used exclusively to increase the number of shares held by the Trust, whether that be by private share transfer or if there was a future share release. This is solely being done to safeguard the future of the club. This can be cancelled at any time.

The amount payable is entirely your choice, and as a certain supermarket chain once said, every little helps. The idea from our point of view is for you to contribute a monthly amount that you are comfortable with that we hope collectively will add up and put us a stronger position to look after the club.

If you are interested in making a monthly donation to the Trust for this purpose, please fill out the form on the link at the top. You do not need a paypal account to complete this (use the debit or credit card option).

Donate each month for shares on 16:48 - Aug 9 with 10059 views

blackdogblue

Just curious, how much are you trying to raise please?

Hopefully funds are available if needed immediately & this request is to top back up over a period of time?

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Donate each month for shares on 16:55 - Aug 9 with 10024 views

Dale_Trust

Donate each month for shares on 16:48 - Aug 9 by blackdogblue
Just curious, how much are you trying to raise please? Hopefully funds are available if needed immediately & this request is to top back up over a period of time?

Whatever we can tbh. There's no church thermometer for this, but see it more of a way of banking up some money for shares if and when they become available. And rather than asking people for sizeable donations, if we could get 20 people donating £10 a month (or any amount they feel comfortable in sparing each month), it will all add up to either purchase from individuals if that opportunity arises or give us a head start if there is a share issue.

Donate each month for shares on 16:57 - Aug 9 with 10008 views

Nigeriamark

Is it possible to add an option for someone to pay a lump sum instead of regular monthly payments? I may be the only one who would rather do that and if so you could PM me with a way to do that

Donate each month for shares on 17:10 - Aug 9 with 9944 views

442Dale

Donate each month for shares on 16:57 - Aug 9 by Nigeriamark
Is it possible to add an option for someone to pay a lump sum instead of regular monthly payments? I may be the only one who would rather do that and if so you could PM me with a way to do that

Could email info@daletrust.co.uk
They’re really good at coming back quickly with a response.

Edit: sorry full mail address updated. Also they may then update their story.

[Post edited 9 Aug 2021 17:12]

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Donate each month for shares on 17:14 - Aug 9 with 9913 views

blackdogblue

Donate each month for shares on 16:55 - Aug 9 by Dale_Trust

A side question in some ways, if shares became available, would true fans be able to buy some does anyone know?. Apologies if this has been answered already in the raft of other threads..

Not talking thousands & take over size, a small amount would be good to guarantee a future say as a shareholder..

Poll:

Prediction League ... Continue or have a World Cup Break?

Donate each month for shares on 17:15 - Aug 9 with 9917 views

Brierls

Donate each month for shares on 16:48 - Aug 9 by blackdogblue
Just curious, how much are you trying to raise please? Hopefully funds are available if needed immediately & this request is to top back up over a period of time?

If A.Kilpatrick, Altman, Marcelli, Rawlinson & Bottomley have agreed to sell their shares to Curran & Rose, and that transaction cannot be completed because the EFL correctly deem them unfit to hold a large/controlling shareholding in a football club, then this isn't over. They have shown themselves to be shithouse custodians of the club.

Those shares need to be owned by somebody who gives a shit about the club and not their own pocket, which is probably what the Trust (and probably new board members) are trying to plan for with initiatives such as this.

We're talking over 200,000 shares there. It's not an inconsiderable amount, even at the widely recognised value of £2 per share. The more shares that are owned by the Trust, the new board and proper Dale fans, the less are available to unwelcome parties like Curran & Rose. That's why I agree "every little helps".

Donate each month for shares on 17:17 - Aug 9 with 9904 views

Dale_Trust

Donate each month for shares on 16:57 - Aug 9 by Nigeriamark
Is it possible to add an option for someone to pay a lump sum instead of regular monthly payments? I may be the only one who would rather do that and if so you could PM me with a way to do that

Give me 20 mins and I'll sort that

Donate each month for shares on 17:24 - Aug 9 with 9868 views

Dale_Trust

Donate each month for shares on 17:14 - Aug 9 by blackdogblue
A side question in some ways, if shares became available, would true fans be able to buy some does anyone know?. Apologies if this has been answered already in the raft of other threads.. Not talking thousands & take over size, a small amount would be good to guarantee a future say as a shareholder..

As things stand (and I'm sure much cleverer people than me will be able to explain this), if there was a share issue tomorrow, pre-emption rights would mean that existing shareholders have first refusal on the shares to the equivalent of the % they hold. It would need 75% of the shares voting in favour for this rule to be scrapped.

So if I owned 5% of the shares, I'd be able to bid for 5% of the newly available shares. Assuming not all shares get bought, then the Board would be able to sell these to whoever wanted to buy them should they choose to - that would enable supporters to become shareholders which is what everyone wants.

If I took up my full allocation, and not everyone else did, then my % of ownership would rise due to the unsold shares, and this is the risk of a share issue at this moment in time. There may be ways around that, but will leave that to those who know what they're talking about.

Donate each month for shares on 17:25 - Aug 9 with 9860 views

foreverhopefulDale

Donate each month for shares on 16:55 - Aug 9 by Dale_Trust

Could you look at being able to donate by monthly Standing Order?

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Donate each month for shares on 17:28 - Aug 9 with 9839 views

Brierls

Donate each month for shares on 17:14 - Aug 9 by blackdogblue
A side question in some ways, if shares became available, would true fans be able to buy some does anyone know?. Apologies if this has been answered already in the raft of other threads.. Not talking thousands & take over size, a small amount would be good to guarantee a future say as a shareholder..

I don't think it's been answered elsewhere but it's something I've thought about too. I already told others that I'd happily invest when the share issue came along, but I think the immediate focus should be trusted custodians acquiring any shares 'at risk', which means shares owned by A.Kilpatrick, Altman, Marcelli, Rawlinson & Bottomley (if the EFL correctly deem Curran & Rose unfit).

We shouldn't be looking to step on the toes of the new board or Trust, they should be very much first on the list of 'welcome' buyers if 'at risk' shares became available, but I also think a number of known Dale fans would be willing to purchase remaining 'at risk' shares in their own name if they're available at a reasonable price.

I made a private but genuine purchase/sale offer for some of Bottomley's shares when it became apparent that Curran & Rose were on the scene, and said I could find others willing to do the same if he wanted to redeem himself even a tiny bit by selling his shareholding to Dale fans. I didn't get a response.

I don't know how we'd go about pulling that list together, or what the proper process is, but I'm more than willing to help with that.

[Post edited 9 Aug 2021 17:39]

Donate each month for shares on 17:35 - Aug 9 with 9802 views

blackdogblue

A standing order is a great shout… that way it’s regular and also you can choose the day you want it to go out of your account so would be better for me personally before Mrs BDB gets her mits on my salary ðŸ˜€ðŸ˜€

On the reply above regarding allocations.. if anyone on here does not want to take up the offer of extra shares, if it possible to buy some & then transfer them to me if that is even possible would be interested in £100 worth please & thanks ðŸ‘

I know it is a token amount but would appreciate the gesture to be a small part in the club I love

Poll:

Prediction League ... Continue or have a World Cup Break?

Donate each month for shares on 17:44 - Aug 9 with 9744 views

Nigeriamark

Donate each month for shares on 17:35 - Aug 9 by blackdogblue

I missed the original opportunity to buy shares too, so as a non owner of shares I'd like a chance to purchase some too in addition to making a donation as per the OP.

Donate each month for shares on 17:46 - Aug 9 with 9738 views

Dale_Trust

Donate each month for shares on 16:57 - Aug 9 by Nigeriamark
Is it possible to add an option for someone to pay a lump sum instead of regular monthly payments? I may be the only one who would rather do that and if so you could PM me with a way to do that

A long 20 mins.

Set up a page for a one off payments now
https://www.daletrust.co.uk/one-off-trust-donation-for-shares/

When setting this up, we deliberately avoided the one off payments. We know there are some incredibly generous supporters out there. We were conscious that we could have a situation where someone could donate £250 to us for shares, and then low and behold, six weeks down the line, the share issue is announced and that person then wishes that they'd kept that cash for themselves to buy shares for themself. But whilst we decided to appeal to people making a regular donation that won't have the same impact on a person as a £250 donation would do, if someone would prefer that, then that option is available.

Donate each month for shares on 17:59 - Aug 9 with 9687 views

49thseason

Donate each month for shares on 17:24 - Aug 9 by Dale_Trust

This ex0lains it fairly well.

https://help.seedlegals.com/en/articles/3180900-how-to-calculate-preemption-amou

Donate each month for shares on 18:00 - Aug 9 with 9682 views

Nigeriamark

Donate each month for shares on 17:46 - Aug 9 by Dale_Trust

Thanks

Donate each month for shares on 18:04 - Aug 9 with 9668 views

Dale_Trust

We'll look into the standing orders, and get back to people

Donate each month for shares on 18:05 - Aug 9 with 9659 views

DaleiLama

Question for the Trust:

Have any of the "big 5" mentioned in Brierls post been approached by the Trust to ask if they would be prepared to sell some or all of their shares and did one or more give a positive response? A bird in the hand ....................

	Up the Dale - NOT for sale!
Poll:	Is it coming home?

Donate each month for shares on 19:09 - Aug 9 with 9436 views

SalwaDale

Another one to add to this list. Would rather purchase some shares myself if and when they become available rather than put smaller amounts of money into the trust for the ability to do that. That isn't to say I wouldn't be prepared to donate through the trust if it got to that urgent a thing.

Please can I just ask that you once again keep us all informed.

Thanks

Up The Dale - Not For Sale

TBBT

Donate each month for shares on 19:19 - Aug 9 with 9388 views

TomRAFC

Signed up for a monthly donation.

Should Kilpatrick's/The American's shares become available, we would need access to an immediate lump sum of money to secure those shares ASAP. This is a great solution to this problem.

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Donate each month for shares on 19:27 - Aug 9 with 9353 views

Dale_Trust

Donate each month for shares on 18:05 - Aug 9 by DaleiLama
Question for the Trust: Have any of the "big 5" mentioned in Brierls post been approached by the Trust to ask if they would be prepared to sell some or all of their shares and did one or more give a positive response? A bird in the hand ....................

Approached the Americans and Andrew Kilpatrick.

Americans were adamant that the shares had been sold and they were no longer shareholders. From that email, it would appear that the transaction was fully completed, and it was simply up to Curran and Rose to hand in the share transfer form.

Kilpatrick didn't reply to our email.

Donate each month for shares on 19:31 - Aug 9 with 9331 views

electricblue

What happens to the mo ies raised by the trust if the shysters do actually (god for bid) get a controlling interest..

My all time favourite Dale player Mr Lyndon Symmonds

Donate each month for shares on 19:41 - Aug 9 with 9304 views

jonahwhereru

I have just made a small one off donation on the assumption that in the relatively near future I will be able to buy shares in my own name, then give the Trust my proxy.

However I would potentially look to make another one off donation if this tussle drags on. So would welcome the Trust running another option for a 1 off payment in three / four months time.

Up The Dale - Not For Sale

Donate each month for shares on 19:46 - Aug 9 with 9283 views

nordenblue

Donate each month for shares on 19:19 - Aug 9 by TomRAFC
Signed up for a monthly donation. Should Kilpatrick's/The American's shares become available, we would need access to an immediate lump sum of money to secure those shares ASAP. This is a great solution to this problem.

While there's benefits to that scheme, I may not speak for everyone but ive no problem whatsoever doing a monthly standing order if it meant I personally got to buy some shares when the time arises rather than it all getting thrown into one big "trust pot', if that makes sense.

Donate each month for shares on 19:57 - Aug 9 with 9247 views

electricblue

My WHU mate said he will make a one off donation as ive sent him links to what as been happening........

Plus Dawson as won him over with some his displays.......

My all time favourite Dale player Mr Lyndon Symmonds

Donate each month for shares on 20:36 - Aug 9 with 9144 views

49thseason

Donate each month for shares on 19:46 - Aug 9 by nordenblue
While there's benefits to that scheme, I may not speak for everyone but ive no problem whatsoever doing a monthly standing order if it meant I personally got to buy some shares when the time arises rather than it all getting thrown into one big "trust pot', if that makes sense.

Heres the thing, the shares have no marketplace, consequently there is no real value other than what someone else is prepared to pay for them which is why Curran is apparently now offering £10 a share. He needs to get to 50% +1 by hook or by crook or fail in his efforts. If he fails, the shares owned by Bottomley and Rawlinson may only be worth their nominal amout of 50p each , maybe even less if no one wants to buy them. Equally if Curran gets to 50% +1, the other 49.99% may be practically valueless as there is no requirement for him to buy the rest unlike the shares on the main markets where anyone achieving 30% has to make an offer to all the other shareholders at the highest price in the previous 12 months. (This btw is a clause that needs inserting into the RAFC Articles of Incorporation at some point when all this has blown over).

Since its unlikely that any single supporter will cough up enough to buy 50%, the only entity that might realistically gain control and be able to guarantee that its intentions are entirely honourable is the Trust, which is why I recently joined, as an active and large membership guarantees the Trusts integrity.

The trust can accept donations and raise funds via other activities to buy shares either from existing shareholders or via pre-emption. Pre-emption means that at any future shares release, the more shares the trust owns the more it needs to buy to keep its share of the total shares available.

The argument that buying shares from other shareholders does nothing for the clubs finances has merit but unless the Trust has 50% how else can there be a guarantee that the club will ever be out of the reach of the likes of Rose, Curran or anyone else?
Everyone has a price... if you owned the 250 shares that were needed to get to 50% how much could you afford to turn down? £100 per share? £500? £1000?
On the other hand if the Trust owns 50% the members would have the whip hand to say yes or no.
I understand the attraction of owning shares in the club but until over 50% are in diamond hands your investment would be little more than a donation to the club with the "perk" of having an annual invitation to the AGM (which can be achieved by owning 1 share). Better at this point, I think, to try and help the Trust to achieve 50% as quickly as possible either by transferring shares at a minimum price ( 1p each? ), or by signing a proxy every 11 months and giving the trust the ability to vote with your shares as it sees best at AGM or EGMs.

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