| Scottish Independence and Brexit 16:40 - Mar 23 with 2481 views | union_jack |
I am totally opposed to the break up of the Union as I’ve made clear on the odd occasion. I do have worries though as to what the best ‘strategy’ would be to minimise an indyref2 success in Scotland.
If we are to remain in the EU which is my preferred option, it is likely to be achieved by a second referendum. This will surely set a precedent to the SNP that what’s good for the goose...
If we leave, I’ve heard that an indyref2 would be top of the SNP’s agenda with a possible good chance of success.
This leaves me to believe that the only option to deter the SNP would be a revocation of A50.
Of course, they could hold a referendum whatever the outcome of Brexit and we could discuss and surely disagree amongst ourselves as to the likely outcome. I think it would be too close to call but leaving the EU would be the worst possible scenario.
Scotland could then, depending on their referendum result, apply to join the EU. I heard a SNP member in the week disputing the fact that they would have to join the Euro due to the fact(?) that they would have to join the ERM (???) first before the Euro. Apparently this is not mandatory. This may of course be standard SNP bluff.
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| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:42 - Mar 23 with 2446 views | Kilkennyjack |
The future of Scotland needs to be in the hands of the people who live in Scotland.
They chose to remain in the UK on the basis that the UK was in the EU.
If Brexit ever changes that then its such a significant change that Indy2 is nailed on and the UK is dead. Simples.
Great news for Scotland mind they get to keep their oil, and get to exit from Mogg, Boris, Maybot, Gove, Farage and Davis.
Wales on the other hand gets the reverse outcome. Bugger. |  |
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| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:50 - Mar 23 with 2431 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:42 - Mar 23 by Kilkennyjack |
The future of Scotland needs to be in the hands of the people who live in Scotland.
They chose to remain in the UK on the basis that the UK was in the EU.
If Brexit ever changes that then its such a significant change that Indy2 is nailed on and the UK is dead. Simples.
Great news for Scotland mind they get to keep their oil, and get to exit from Mogg, Boris, Maybot, Gove, Farage and Davis.
Wales on the other hand gets the reverse outcome. Bugger. |
Scotland are only in the EU due to being part of the union/ Union votes to leave, sorry to say Scotland votes don't magically count for more than anyone elses.
Let Scotland leave. Ok, so need new currency or join Euro, slap tariffs on them given they have no deal with EU and 90% of their trade is with UK and see how long it takes Scotland to come begging back once SNP can't blame others.
You missed other parts, like Gibraltar. Could you have a reason for that, given they are teaching your mob how to play football?. |  | | |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:53 - Mar 23 with 2425 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:50 - Mar 23 by bluey_the_blue |
Scotland are only in the EU due to being part of the union/ Union votes to leave, sorry to say Scotland votes don't magically count for more than anyone elses.
Let Scotland leave. Ok, so need new currency or join Euro, slap tariffs on them given they have no deal with EU and 90% of their trade is with UK and see how long it takes Scotland to come begging back once SNP can't blame others.
You missed other parts, like Gibraltar. Could you have a reason for that, given they are teaching your mob how to play football?. |
“slap tariffs on them given they have no deal with EU and 90% of their trade is with UK and see how long it takes Scotland to come begging back once SNP can't blame others.”
The irony. | | | |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:55 - Mar 23 with 2416 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:53 - Mar 23 by londonlisa2001 |
“slap tariffs on them given they have no deal with EU and 90% of their trade is with UK and see how long it takes Scotland to come begging back once SNP can't blame others.”
The irony. |
😂😂😂. Funny as feck innit ! | |
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| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:56 - Mar 23 with 2412 views | longlostjack |
I’d imagine Spain would veto an independent Scotland’s application for full EU membership as they’d be worried it could set a precedent for Catalonia. |  |
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| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:57 - Mar 23 with 2406 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:53 - Mar 23 by londonlisa2001 |
“slap tariffs on them given they have no deal with EU and 90% of their trade is with UK and see how long it takes Scotland to come begging back once SNP can't blame others.”
The irony. |
Not really. Scotland are way more dependent upon UK than UK is upon EU. | | | |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:59 - Mar 23 with 2402 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:50 - Mar 23 by bluey_the_blue |
Scotland are only in the EU due to being part of the union/ Union votes to leave, sorry to say Scotland votes don't magically count for more than anyone elses.
Let Scotland leave. Ok, so need new currency or join Euro, slap tariffs on them given they have no deal with EU and 90% of their trade is with UK and see how long it takes Scotland to come begging back once SNP can't blame others.
You missed other parts, like Gibraltar. Could you have a reason for that, given they are teaching your mob how to play football?. |
Gibraltar is only in the EU because it’s a British overseas territory. It voted 90% to remain yet is being dragged out of the UK against its will despite that. And it’s not a part of the UK. Still, the people have spoken. [Post edited 23 Mar 2019 18:01]
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| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 18:00 - Mar 23 with 2402 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:57 - Mar 23 by bluey_the_blue |
Not really. Scotland are way more dependent upon UK than UK is upon EU. |
The irony is that you have been banging on about wanting WTO rules for ages, and then don’t recognise that they mean you can’t ‘slap tariffs’ on whoever you want. Nor, it seems, that Scotland would be free to trade under the rules you think are so great?
It’s pathetic, it really is. People are arguing blind for stuff they have zero understanding of. | | | |
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| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 18:02 - Mar 23 with 2391 views | bluey_the_blue |
When will Phil bring a fishing smiley in? | | | |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 18:03 - Mar 23 with 2391 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:50 - Mar 23 by bluey_the_blue |
Scotland are only in the EU due to being part of the union/ Union votes to leave, sorry to say Scotland votes don't magically count for more than anyone elses.
Let Scotland leave. Ok, so need new currency or join Euro, slap tariffs on them given they have no deal with EU and 90% of their trade is with UK and see how long it takes Scotland to come begging back once SNP can't blame others.
You missed other parts, like Gibraltar. Could you have a reason for that, given they are teaching your mob how to play football?. |
Norway invested their oil revenues in a sovereign wealth fund. This began in 1990. It is now worth £460 billion.
According to government valuations — based upon current and projected markets — this oil has a total wholesale value of at least £1.5 trillion.
It will last for another 100 years.
Scotland will boom, no question.
EU will welcome them.
Good luck to Scotland ✌🾠| |
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| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 18:05 - Mar 23 with 2381 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 18:02 - Mar 23 by bluey_the_blue |
When will Phil bring a fishing smiley in? |
Yeah, right.
Too late Bluey, you’ve shown you have absolutely no idea what your preferred course of action actually means.
How surprising. | | | |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 18:06 - Mar 23 with 2376 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 18:02 - Mar 23 by bluey_the_blue |
When will Phil bring a fishing smiley in? |
Ah, don’t do that. No one’s buying that. If you say it, own it. | |
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| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 18:43 - Mar 23 with 2343 views | johnlangy |
And, of course, Wales has plenty also. When we're Independent we'll make a fortune selling it instead of giving it away. | | | |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 20:24 - Mar 23 with 2274 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 18:03 - Mar 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Norway invested their oil revenues in a sovereign wealth fund. This began in 1990. It is now worth £460 billion.
According to government valuations — based upon current and projected markets — this oil has a total wholesale value of at least £1.5 trillion.
It will last for another 100 years.
Scotland will boom, no question.
EU will welcome them.
Good luck to Scotland ✌🾠|
The Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) report has been published for 2017-18.
It shows revenues from the oil and gas sector were up by more than £1bn from just £266million in 2016-17.
The report said it reflects an increase in total UK revenue from the sector.
Despite this, Scotland is still in deficit of £13.4bn which is 7.9% of GDP, and four times of that of the UK as a whole as a result of higher public spending per head.
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon unveiled the report this morning.
She said: “Today’s figures show that offshore revenue has increased by £1 billion.
“These GERS statistics once again make clear the benefit of remaining part of the UK, with an extra £1,576 in public spending per person in Scotland.
“Nicola Sturgeon must remove the threat of another vote immediately and focus on the things that matter to the people of Scotland.” [Post edited 23 Mar 2019 20:26]
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| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 20:29 - Mar 23 with 2266 views | Autophagy |
Ffs. Let’s have a Scottish independence referendum as soon as possible, and let’s have a Welsh one on the same day.
The result, will be, NO to independence from the UK. | | | |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 09:56 - Mar 24 with 2135 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 20:29 - Mar 23 by Autophagy |
Ffs. Let’s have a Scottish independence referendum as soon as possible, and let’s have a Welsh one on the same day.
The result, will be, NO to independence from the UK. |
And the north of Ireland ?
And England ?
Why not ?
Then maybe a modern united kingdom of equal nations emerges ?
Imagine that ....
The current union is wholly and demonstrably unequal - and therefore in the modern world it will fail. Like the EU, it needs real reform.
People will not be able to shout this down, it needs reform.
Btw no country that left the old empire ever asked to come back in.
Beyond fear is freedom. [Post edited 24 Mar 2019 10:25]
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| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 11:41 - Mar 24 with 2085 views | Loyal |
| Scottish Independence and Brexit on 17:42 - Mar 23 by Kilkennyjack |
The future of Scotland needs to be in the hands of the people who live in Scotland.
They chose to remain in the UK on the basis that the UK was in the EU.
If Brexit ever changes that then its such a significant change that Indy2 is nailed on and the UK is dead. Simples.
Great news for Scotland mind they get to keep their oil, and get to exit from Mogg, Boris, Maybot, Gove, Farage and Davis.
Wales on the other hand gets the reverse outcome. Bugger. |
Same for Gibraltar etc ... |  |
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