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I’ll do just fine. Brexit, in particular a no deal variety, will create a myriad of new domestic and international laws and bureaucracy all of which businesses will need interpreting and guiding through. You, on the other hand, are the personification of why Brexit may not happen. You voted to leave but it’s quite clear from here that you very little understanding of really why. Oh no sorry, you’ve got a gut feeling.
Can you please supply a link to the audited accounts? I'd like to see where the British tax payers goes and how it's spent. Could you also explain why, after over two years after the referendum the UK is not in a recession, as predicted by some. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564
I don’t have that information. Although I am interested to know why you think I would? With regards to your second point, we haven’t left yet and I would hazard a guess that until recently most of business is still of the opinion we will not - in a no deal scenario. You get the impression that is very much shifting though.
I don’t have that information. Although I am interested to know why you think I would? With regards to your second point, we haven’t left yet and I would hazard a guess that until recently most of business is still of the opinion we will not - in a no deal scenario. You get the impression that is very much shifting though.
And you won't find it. What have the EU got to hide? Is it to much to ask to see where the UK taxpayers money is going, seeing we put in far more than we get out. As for the second point, that report and prediction was written before the referendum and refers to what would happen if we voted to leave not if we left. It was blatant lies by project fear.
And you won't find it. What have the EU got to hide? Is it to much to ask to see where the UK taxpayers money is going, seeing we put in far more than we get out. As for the second point, that report and prediction was written before the referendum and refers to what would happen if we voted to leave not if we left. It was blatant lies by project fear.
And let's not forget the blatant lies of project fantasy, just to be balanced like
I've never denied it, they're both as bad as each other when it comes to telling porkies.
Agreed if anybody formed their vote on the back of the leave or remain campaign or indeed on the leaflet that David Cameron sent round to everyone’s house then they are numb as a piss stone. I think people’s minds were made up as soon as the referendum was called.
Conspiracy theories of establishment and vested interests next. Like 16 odd million and rising can be the establishment. Anything, literally anything, apart from actually dealing with the real issues. But we know why you don’t. You just don’t have a grasp of them. Use your brain, sorry guts. Lost the moral argument!! Forgive me for not taking lectures on morality from you. I’m logging off now to spend time with my child.
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Is there really no level to which you wouldn't stoop to try and save face?
You should try studying ancient history. Although, on second thoughts, that's one of the humanities
And you won't find it. What have the EU got to hide? Is it to much to ask to see where the UK taxpayers money is going, seeing we put in far more than we get out. As for the second point, that report and prediction was written before the referendum and refers to what would happen if we voted to leave not if we left. It was blatant lies by project fear.
If you wanna look at it through a purely financial perspective, then a pragmatic approach would be to identify the cost of peace on the continent of Europe; as I think no-one can deny that the E.U as an entity precludes or, at least, seriously inhibits dispute and disagreement escalation to the point of conflict.
As peace is not something that can be financially appraised, then we have to *evaluate the cost of war:
"By the end of World War II Britain had amassed an immense debt of £21 billion"
To get a grasp of that number, if it were today:
**£21,000,000,000 in 1945 → £898,849,718,942 in 2019
So, all this counting the cost of EU membership etc. is narrow-minded. To use this £39 billion number that's bandied about, you've got 23 years of payments there alone saved in not having to pay (financially) for war.
All the above is pure £££ and takes no account of the immeasurable cost (to) human life, (of) sacrifice and suffering on ALL sides.
There's a myriad of other positives about closer and closer cultural and inter-social ties between the countries of Europe, but to really get a handle on that then you need to get out and about in the EU for a prolonged period - relative to a typical "holiday". As I'm writing this on a medium predominated by Rochdale (geographically) then; in a, rarely for me , genuinely non-condescending tone, unfortunately, you're typically not gonna have had the opportunities to experience it.
* Using Wikipedia to try to keep accusations of figure fiddling to a minimum ** Using the UK Inflation Calculator with decimal removed.
If you wanna look at it through a purely financial perspective, then a pragmatic approach would be to identify the cost of peace on the continent of Europe; as I think no-one can deny that the E.U as an entity precludes or, at least, seriously inhibits dispute and disagreement escalation to the point of conflict.
As peace is not something that can be financially appraised, then we have to *evaluate the cost of war:
"By the end of World War II Britain had amassed an immense debt of £21 billion"
To get a grasp of that number, if it were today:
**£21,000,000,000 in 1945 → £898,849,718,942 in 2019
So, all this counting the cost of EU membership etc. is narrow-minded. To use this £39 billion number that's bandied about, you've got 23 years of payments there alone saved in not having to pay (financially) for war.
All the above is pure £££ and takes no account of the immeasurable cost (to) human life, (of) sacrifice and suffering on ALL sides.
There's a myriad of other positives about closer and closer cultural and inter-social ties between the countries of Europe, but to really get a handle on that then you need to get out and about in the EU for a prolonged period - relative to a typical "holiday". As I'm writing this on a medium predominated by Rochdale (geographically) then; in a, rarely for me , genuinely non-condescending tone, unfortunately, you're typically not gonna have had the opportunities to experience it.
* Using Wikipedia to try to keep accusations of figure fiddling to a minimum ** Using the UK Inflation Calculator with decimal removed.
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I asked where and what is the money spent on, nobody seems to know as the EU doesn't possess or won't show audited accounts, so what are they hiding? Nice try at deflecting the question though.
Well I for one am glad this thread has popped up as all the no deal supporting lunatics have made themselves known and can be safely blocked in perpetuity. Supporting such a wilfully destructive catastrophe demonstrates beyond all doubt that these people’s ability to think rationally has utterly evaporated - much like the £350 million we were promised would be given to the NHS eh.
I asked where and what is the money spent on, nobody seems to know as the EU doesn't possess or won't show audited accounts, so what are they hiding? Nice try at deflecting the question though.
I asked where and what is the money spent on, nobody seems to know as the EU doesn't possess or won't show audited accounts, so what are they hiding? Nice try at deflecting the question though.
Jesus Christ, the 1st hit on google for your exact question brings up the following:
Well I for one am glad this thread has popped up as all the no deal supporting lunatics have made themselves known and can be safely blocked in perpetuity. Supporting such a wilfully destructive catastrophe demonstrates beyond all doubt that these people’s ability to think rationally has utterly evaporated - much like the £350 million we were promised would be given to the NHS eh.
At least when we do leave, we'll know where the money we're not paying to the EU is going. British tax payers money being spent in the UK, on the UK. I absolutely believe the UK is more than capable of making its own trading deals with the rest of the world, and it would be financial suicide for the EU not to trade with an independent UK ASAP.
Agree the NHS bus was a massive Boris blunder though.
But I suppose actually going and reading official documents and reports is more arduous than what you're fed by the sun, mail, Farage and Johnson.
That is the EU's side. Not audited accounts. So come on, find me a link to audited accounts where I can see where the money actually goes, not on what the EU says it spends it on.
That is the EU's side. Not audited accounts. So come on, find me a link to audited accounts where I can see where the money actually goes, not on what the EU says it spends it on.
A proportion must be spent on the alleged €20,000 per month paid to the 27 unelected commissioners.
No wonder they are so keen that the UK on leaving should continue to contribute to future pension payments.
I asked where and what is the money spent on, nobody seems to know as the EU doesn't possess or won't show audited accounts, so what are they hiding? Nice try at deflecting the question though.
That doesn't mean anything dummy, get with the program and spend a prolonged period in an EU country. Its only council estate tramps with names like mercedes that voted out.
That doesn't mean anything dummy, get with the program and spend a prolonged period in an EU country. Its only council estate tramps with names like mercedes that voted out.
We're just about to throw it away, but right now we have the most idealised set up you could possibly imagine, right at the heart of the most successful and stable trading block there has ever been.
Further, we have our own currency and with it the ability to set our own interest rates to buck the trend, at least for a while, should we need. We have it all on a plate. On a plate.
And yet we're about to blow this unbelievably advantageous position, because of...yep, all that fear and rubbish that's fed to us about 'foreigners'. It's a global world, we practically invented it, and it still keeps giving back. We are the luckiest nation in the world. Then again, we earned it.
We have problems yes, who'd be without them. But they can be tackled as best we can. As soon as we put this ridiculous thing behind us. The EU is our shoulder, our bulwark that has kept the peace. The idea of a superstate is so much cant. Do you really think any of the other 27 want a superstate? Of course not. This a golden age for Europe, one without war, Balkans apart, for 75 years.
We're just about to throw it away, but right now we have the most idealised set up you could possibly imagine, right at the heart of the most successful and stable trading block there has ever been.
Further, we have our own currency and with it the ability to set our own interest rates to buck the trend, at least for a while, should we need. We have it all on a plate. On a plate.
And yet we're about to blow this unbelievably advantageous position, because of...yep, all that fear and rubbish that's fed to us about 'foreigners'. It's a global world, we practically invented it, and it still keeps giving back. We are the luckiest nation in the world. Then again, we earned it.
We have problems yes, who'd be without them. But they can be tackled as best we can. As soon as we put this ridiculous thing behind us. The EU is our shoulder, our bulwark that has kept the peace. The idea of a superstate is so much cant. Do you really think any of the other 27 want a superstate? Of course not. This a golden age for Europe, one without war, Balkans apart, for 75 years.
One addition, we have Europe in its gorgeousness of culture, climate and cuisine an Easyjet or Ryanair away. From Portugal to Sweden, from Iceland to Italy. 'You never had it so good' as a PM once said.
One addition, we have Europe in its gorgeousness of culture, climate and cuisine an Easyjet or Ryanair away. From Portugal to Sweden, from Iceland to Italy. 'You never had it so good' as a PM once said.
Effing great win yesterday. And nearly all results our way. Here's to Daleys and Spring.
If, on the off chance I could have moved one more, here it is again:
One addition, we have Europe in its gorgeousness of culture, climate and cuisine an Easyjet or Ryanair away. From Portugal to Sweden, from Iceland to Italy. 'You never had it so good' as a PM once said.
Yes, it's such a shame Europe will disappear off the map following Brexit
Never mind, there's always Skegness, from where we can stare longingly across the sea
Yes, it's such a shame Europe will disappear off the map following Brexit
Never mind, there's always Skegness, from where we can stare longingly across the sea
But you are reasonable value I must admit. A jay amongst the pigeons.
So, I'll play if you will.
To my mind, the EU 'superstructure', the political institutions, Strasbourg and Brussels, so vexing to die hard Brexiters and the Daily Mail, the key pressing into the elbow joint, the sovereignty thing, is in fact the bare minimum of sound and noise you might expect from running a single market of 100s of millions across near thirty nations. Hardly a superstate in the making is it?
But you are reasonable value I must admit. A jay amongst the pigeons.
So, I'll play if you will.
To my mind, the EU 'superstructure', the political institutions, Strasbourg and Brussels, so vexing to die hard Brexiters and the Daily Mail, the key pressing into the elbow joint, the sovereignty thing, is in fact the bare minimum of sound and noise you might expect from running a single market of 100s of millions across near thirty nations. Hardly a superstate in the making is it?
I don't suppose you've come across any EU audited accounts while writing your drivel have you? I keep asking and searching but can't seem to find any, it's just I think it's only fair we see where our money actually goes. It's like the EU have something to hide, surely this can't be?
No, my drivel is of a more general sense. I think audited accounts of the EU might not be available online. If you have nose for corruption, then there's a lot for you to go at I'm sure.
In a very real way, and I mean this most seriously, what do expect of human beings with budgets in their hands? Look to this country and HS2.
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