| Net Migration 09:44 - May 21 with 5996 views | CountyJim |
Worst for ten years !! Really doing a cracking job the tories ffs [Post edited 21 May 2015 9:44]
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| Net Migration on 10:02 - May 21 with 4562 views | dgt73 |
I blame the lib dems  |  |
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| Net Migration on 10:09 - May 21 with 4551 views | CountyJim |
Well the past 5 year's it's all been down to Labour it's time to drop all that bolloxs | | | |
| Net Migration on 10:25 - May 21 with 4534 views | Highjack |
Well some people think immigration is good for the economy so it's the best in ten years if you're of that persuasion. |  |
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| Net Migration on 10:29 - May 21 with 4527 views | yescomeon |
There is absolutely sod all can be done about it. It's a byproduct of global capitalism, if you want to take the 'good' you have to take the 'bad'. |  |
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| Net Migration on 12:08 - May 21 with 4473 views | Clinton |
Where will they all live ? |  |
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| Net Migration on 12:59 - May 21 with 4434 views | jackonicko |
| Net Migration on 12:08 - May 21 by Clinton |
Where will they all live ? |
The figure was described as equivalent to the population of Coventry. So, perhaps Coventry?
Anyway, I'm of the Highjack school of thought. Look past the dog whistle headlines and migration is generally more positive than negative to the UK as a whole. |  | | |
| Net Migration on 13:06 - May 21 with 4415 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Net Migration on 12:59 - May 21 by jackonicko |
The figure was described as equivalent to the population of Coventry. So, perhaps Coventry?
Anyway, I'm of the Highjack school of thought. Look past the dog whistle headlines and migration is generally more positive than negative to the UK as a whole. |
I agree. And for government to set itself a target when it has no control over the major contributing factor to that target was to create a bit of a daft hostage to fortune for themselves. |  |
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| Net Migration on 13:14 - May 21 with 4408 views | Tom1912 |
Research suggests immigration is a net benefitter to the economy. 25% of doctors in the NHS are foreign for example.
So why are you so angry about this? |  | | |
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| Net Migration on 13:21 - May 21 with 4400 views | jackonicko |
| Net Migration on 13:06 - May 21 by exiledclaseboy |
I agree. And for government to set itself a target when it has no control over the major contributing factor to that target was to create a bit of a daft hostage to fortune for themselves. |
I thought we agreed in private that we wouldn't agree with each other in public?
I have a reputation to think of. | | | |
| Net Migration on 13:36 - May 21 with 4385 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Net Migration on 13:21 - May 21 by jackonicko |
I thought we agreed in private that we wouldn't agree with each other in public?
I have a reputation to think of. |
Oops. Forgot. You Tory scum etc. | |
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| Net Migration on 14:13 - May 21 with 4361 views | libertine |
One of the most ridiculous comments that I have heard was on the wright stuff show,
Research had been done about children's perceptions of immigrants.
8 out of 10 children interviewed had said that they thought that immigrants were going to take the jobs that belonged to the British, the comments of the panel were how disgraceful that was and the parents should be ashamed of themselves.
well the reality is either the immigrants were going to take the jobs of the british people or go on the dole, why else would they come to this country.
these liberal tw@s really annoy me, generally these people are unaffected by these grand decisions made by tory blairs government. The big elephant is that we cannot do anything about the movement of people because of the "Lisbon Treaty" ( I think)
Why do people think that politicians are intelligent? |  | | |
| Net Migration on 14:29 - May 21 with 4349 views | jackal |
| Net Migration on 12:08 - May 21 by Clinton |
Where will they all live ? |
Plenty of rooms in Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle, Balmoral, Sandringham, Osborne House, Kensington Palace etc.
The tax payer picks up the bill either way. |  | | |
| Net Migration on 14:51 - May 21 with 4324 views | builthjack |
| Net Migration on 12:59 - May 21 by jackonicko |
The figure was described as equivalent to the population of Coventry. So, perhaps Coventry?
Anyway, I'm of the Highjack school of thought. Look past the dog whistle headlines and migration is generally more positive than negative to the UK as a whole. |
Some of those Russian birds are tidy |  |
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| Net Migration on 15:22 - May 21 with 4307 views | Lohengrin |
"well the reality is either the immigrants were going to take the jobs of the british people or go on the dole, why else would they come to this country. "
A rare moment of Damascene clarity for this site, thank you, Lib.
With unemployment figures for the UK stubbornly hovering around the 2 million mark I would again ask the question of how many more and what for? The only answer I can can come up with is to depress the wages of British workers by using migrants as the threat, the stick to make Britons toe the line demanded by international finance. It's high time people started to wake up! |  |
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| Net Migration on 16:30 - May 21 with 4272 views | libertine |
| Net Migration on 15:22 - May 21 by Lohengrin |
"well the reality is either the immigrants were going to take the jobs of the british people or go on the dole, why else would they come to this country. "
A rare moment of Damascene clarity for this site, thank you, Lib.
With unemployment figures for the UK stubbornly hovering around the 2 million mark I would again ask the question of how many more and what for? The only answer I can can come up with is to depress the wages of British workers by using migrants as the threat, the stick to make Britons toe the line demanded by international finance. It's high time people started to wake up! |
"damascene clarity"
damn good words lohenrgin, a bit like an epiphany I think.
Maybe I've missed the elephant in the room, they've come to enjoy our climate! | | | |
| Net Migration on 17:28 - May 21 with 4238 views | Curcubita_Ultra |
| Net Migration on 15:22 - May 21 by Lohengrin |
"well the reality is either the immigrants were going to take the jobs of the british people or go on the dole, why else would they come to this country. "
A rare moment of Damascene clarity for this site, thank you, Lib.
With unemployment figures for the UK stubbornly hovering around the 2 million mark I would again ask the question of how many more and what for? The only answer I can can come up with is to depress the wages of British workers by using migrants as the threat, the stick to make Britons toe the line demanded by international finance. It's high time people started to wake up! |
"The only answer I can can come up with is to depress the wages of British workers by using migrants as the threat, the stick to make Britons toe the line demanded by international finance"
Well said. However, people seem to be under the impression this started under the Blair administration which is a misconception. Many in the Labour Party in the 70s were opposed to getting into bed with Europe (not the rock band) for this very reason. As much as the Tories set unrealistic targets and make flatulent noises about immigration in reality they crave nothing more than a de-unionised and poverty-line workforce to drive their economic model. It's been going on for years the only thing that's changed is the sheer volume and there are many reasons for that not least the Imperial entanglements of the last 15 years which you can definitely lay at Blair's door, not that a Tory PM would have done anything different of course. | | | |
| Net Migration on 17:39 - May 21 with 4227 views | controversial_jack |
The Conservatives are all about cheap labour and removing workers rights. Where is this cheap labour going to come from? Overseas. Immigration will increase under the Tories | | | |
| Net Migration on 18:26 - May 21 with 4189 views | Flashberryjack |
| Net Migration on 13:14 - May 21 by Tom1912 |
Research suggests immigration is a net benefitter to the economy. 25% of doctors in the NHS are foreign for example.
So why are you so angry about this? |
Yeah! "Researchers" never get it wrong do they ? |  |
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| Net Migration on 19:16 - May 21 with 4157 views | swan65split |
| Net Migration on 13:14 - May 21 by Tom1912 |
Research suggests immigration is a net benefitter to the economy. 25% of doctors in the NHS are foreign for example.
So why are you so angry about this? |
300,000 this year, figures have been out of control for the last 10 years.
Thats a hell of a lot of Doctors and nurses, so we can have 7 day a week surgeries then..............................not!!!
Just remember the population of Wales is just over 3 million. |  | | |
| Net Migration on 20:00 - May 21 with 4120 views | yescomeon |
| Net Migration on 19:16 - May 21 by swan65split |
300,000 this year, figures have been out of control for the last 10 years.
Thats a hell of a lot of Doctors and nurses, so we can have 7 day a week surgeries then..............................not!!!
Just remember the population of Wales is just over 3 million. |
One year at 300,000 doesn't prove that migration has been out of control for the last 10 years. Net migration has been in the 6 figures for over 20 years [1]. Although for 2014 nearly 200,000 immigrants were international students [2] and there is a case to be made for them not being included in the figures. If they weren't then the figures aren't half as bad as made out.
[1] - http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6399/economics/impact-of-immigration-on-uk-eco
[2] - http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/f | |
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| Net Migration on 20:34 - May 21 with 4088 views | LeonisGod |
| Net Migration on 15:22 - May 21 by Lohengrin |
"well the reality is either the immigrants were going to take the jobs of the british people or go on the dole, why else would they come to this country. "
A rare moment of Damascene clarity for this site, thank you, Lib.
With unemployment figures for the UK stubbornly hovering around the 2 million mark I would again ask the question of how many more and what for? The only answer I can can come up with is to depress the wages of British workers by using migrants as the threat, the stick to make Britons toe the line demanded by international finance. It's high time people started to wake up! |
The lowest unemployment for x many years despite the higher level of immigration you mean? Doesn't appear to be a link to me especially when you consider that a lot of immigrants are filling skills gaps, here to gain an education (after which we stupidly kick them out so that someone else benefits from the skills we taught them) or are self-starters with their own businesses. There's no job stealing going on in those cases. And even where there is it should be a wake-up call to the apathetically unemployed.
It's a serious topic alright but the discussion should be how we can make the inevitable greater freedoms of labour movement work for us, rather than the current politics of fear that belongs in the dark ages. |  | | |
| Net Migration on 20:45 - May 21 with 4076 views | MrSwerve |
We'll all be living in Pangaea in 250 million years anyway. |  |
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| Net Migration on 20:51 - May 21 with 4064 views | sherpajacob |
If you want to moan about net immigration, the forum of a team that plays in the fa premier league is perhaps not the best vehicle. Greg dyke has already had quite a lot to say on the subject. |  |
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| Net Migration on 09:21 - May 22 with 3966 views | Lord_Bony |
| Net Migration on 20:45 - May 21 by MrSwerve |
We'll all be living in Pangaea in 250 million years anyway. |
Will it all come back round to where it started from then?
Cool. |  |
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| Net Migration on 14:26 - May 22 with 3916 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Net Migration on 14:13 - May 21 by libertine |
One of the most ridiculous comments that I have heard was on the wright stuff show,
Research had been done about children's perceptions of immigrants.
8 out of 10 children interviewed had said that they thought that immigrants were going to take the jobs that belonged to the British, the comments of the panel were how disgraceful that was and the parents should be ashamed of themselves.
well the reality is either the immigrants were going to take the jobs of the british people or go on the dole, why else would they come to this country.
these liberal tw@s really annoy me, generally these people are unaffected by these grand decisions made by tory blairs government. The big elephant is that we cannot do anything about the movement of people because of the "Lisbon Treaty" ( I think)
Why do people think that politicians are intelligent? |
Your assumption that they must either be coming to take British jobs or go on the dole is fundamentally missing the point.
You are not considering the mismatch between where the jobs are and what type of jobs they are and where the unemployment is.
For example - I can't remember the last time I went to a restaurant / pub where I wasn't served by an immigrant - usually an Eastern European. London service jobs have a massive number of immigrants filling them. Same in supermarkets, shops, cinemas etc etc. Exactly the same in the NHS up here - a huge number of people that work in hospitals, whether as porters, cleaners, nurses, doctors, are immigrants.
The issue is that unemployment doesn't really exist here. Anyone that wants a job and is able to work can do so. Shops / supermarkets etc. almost always have signs up saying they need staff. So those are the jobs that the immigrants are taking. There aren't 'British' people that are not taking them - they aren't around and available to do that type of work (or they don't want to).
So the immigrants aren't taking away jobs or signing on - they are filling jobs that need filling. Doesn't help the unemployed in Merthyr of course. And they will say "but why should I move, away from my family, home, to get work?". Well, of course, that's exactly what those immigrants are doing - they are moving to where the work exists.
What we actually need to do is look at ways of moving jobs around the country to where there are people that need work.
I find it interesting that in areas where there actually is high immigration (here in London for example) people are far less 'anti immigration' than a lot seem to be in Swansea (as an example). And yet Swansea has sod all immigration - it's just a convenient excuse.
And the parents of those children should damn well be ashamed. | | | |
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