| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up 19:39 - Jun 9 with 6121 views | Pokerface |
Freestyle.
Let your feelings out
( the poll disappeared due to my fat fingers) [Post edited 9 Jun 2017 21:46]
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:13 - Jun 11 with 832 views | exiledclaseboy |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:10 - Jun 11 by Highjack |
Ive never met a person who would choose her to negotiate. Far more capable people in that party and others. Unfortunately the choice was between her, corbyn and Farron which is a bit like choosing between George, zippy and bungle when you know Geoffrey is the one with all the brains. |
What leads you to think May would do a better job than Corbyn at negotiating with the EU? Forget Fallon, he was never a serious candidate for anything while we have this ridiculous electoral system. |  |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:15 - Jun 11 with 831 views | Humpty |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:00 - Jun 11 by deanscfc |
I hate replying to these threads but I just can't help myself such is my strength of feeling as to how unbelievably stupid the Brexit vote was.
Yes a referendum on such a complex matter was a ridiculous thing to do. Nobody can honestly say that the public were well informed. Half of the country probably spent more time considering who to kick off the X Factor than what the consequences of leaving the single market might be. Then there was the fact that the leave campaigners themselves (some of whom were only interested in their own power) just told the public complete rubbish...things like how we would have 'the exact same benefits' outside the single market (David Davis) and that we could 'have our cake and eat it'. Even their main robotic 'take back control' slogan was misleading (The Brexit government's own white paper now states that we never lost it).
I remember at the time posting on Facebook and telling anyone who would listen that this Brexit business wasn't just some simple yes or no and being met with blank faces. I remember that people had absolutely no clue what Article 50 was and thought that if there was a leave vote we could just write a little letter the next day and that would be it; no real issues to resolve for businesses, politicians or real people because of course 'the experts were part of the lying elite'.
And here we are 1 year later, an embarrassment on the world stage, having pointless GE's full of false promises (because nobody knows how much money will be available after Brexit), a slowed economy (now THE worst performing major economy in the world), a £ which never recovered and cost of living rising with real wages falling across the board for the first time in years.
And yet, nobody wants to talk about the damage that has ALREADY been done by that stupid vote. To do so would be 'talking our country down' and politicians and even our own BBC are scared to really address it such is the clout of the billionaire, Brexit backing media owners like Murdoch and the owners of the Daily Mail. Actually, the greatest damage inflicted has been nothing to do with £ or the economy but has to do with the wasted government and civil service time and money spent already discussing Brexit when our NHS and public services are in crisis and desperately needed attention. All a total shambles and nobody able to state real tangible benefits. Ask a leave voter to tell you where the big trade deals are coming from and when and they can't...could be 5-6 years away, could be 7 or 8 but one thing is certain...nothing that comes even close to the value of the single market will come sooner. Even Trump seems to have put the EU back ahead of the UK in the queue for a trade deal as he learns on the job.
I could go on...but yeah, people (even leave voters) need to start admitting it for what it is: a total shambolic mess and a mistake which was based on lies and misinformation. Should never have been put to the public. [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 10:18]
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F*ck off with your facts. We don't like facts. It's how we feel that's important. |  | | |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:18 - Jun 11 with 815 views | Highjack |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:13 - Jun 11 by exiledclaseboy |
What leads you to think May would do a better job than Corbyn at negotiating with the EU? Forget Fallon, he was never a serious candidate for anything while we have this ridiculous electoral system. |
Where did I say I think she'd do a better job than the other two? You're reading things that aren't there again. By comparing them to bungle and zippy I was suggesting they are all equally unsuitable for that particular task. |  |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:19 - Jun 11 with 815 views | Humpty |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:00 - Jun 11 by deanscfc |
I hate replying to these threads but I just can't help myself such is my strength of feeling as to how unbelievably stupid the Brexit vote was.
Yes a referendum on such a complex matter was a ridiculous thing to do. Nobody can honestly say that the public were well informed. Half of the country probably spent more time considering who to kick off the X Factor than what the consequences of leaving the single market might be. Then there was the fact that the leave campaigners themselves (some of whom were only interested in their own power) just told the public complete rubbish...things like how we would have 'the exact same benefits' outside the single market (David Davis) and that we could 'have our cake and eat it'. Even their main robotic 'take back control' slogan was misleading (The Brexit government's own white paper now states that we never lost it).
I remember at the time posting on Facebook and telling anyone who would listen that this Brexit business wasn't just some simple yes or no and being met with blank faces. I remember that people had absolutely no clue what Article 50 was and thought that if there was a leave vote we could just write a little letter the next day and that would be it; no real issues to resolve for businesses, politicians or real people because of course 'the experts were part of the lying elite'.
And here we are 1 year later, an embarrassment on the world stage, having pointless GE's full of false promises (because nobody knows how much money will be available after Brexit), a slowed economy (now THE worst performing major economy in the world), a £ which never recovered and cost of living rising with real wages falling across the board for the first time in years.
And yet, nobody wants to talk about the damage that has ALREADY been done by that stupid vote. To do so would be 'talking our country down' and politicians and even our own BBC are scared to really address it such is the clout of the billionaire, Brexit backing media owners like Murdoch and the owners of the Daily Mail. Actually, the greatest damage inflicted has been nothing to do with £ or the economy but has to do with the wasted government and civil service time and money spent already discussing Brexit when our NHS and public services are in crisis and desperately needed attention. All a total shambles and nobody able to state real tangible benefits. Ask a leave voter to tell you where the big trade deals are coming from and when and they can't...could be 5-6 years away, could be 7 or 8 but one thing is certain...nothing that comes even close to the value of the single market will come sooner. Even Trump seems to have put the EU back ahead of the UK in the queue for a trade deal as he learns on the job.
I could go on...but yeah, people (even leave voters) need to start admitting it for what it is: a total shambolic mess and a mistake which was based on lies and misinformation. Should never have been put to the public. [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 10:18]
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I could go on...but yeah, people (even leave voters) need to start admitting it for what it is: a total shambolic mess and a mistake which was based on lies and misinformation. Should never have been put to the public.
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:20 - Jun 11 with 815 views | felixstowe_jack |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 20:19 - Jun 10 by sherpajacob |
To have the same question again would be pointless, simply because the first question was pointless.
Asking people a binary question over an issue for which there are a multitude of options.
A binding GE trumps a non binding referendum all day long.
The electorate have rejected a hard brexit, the politicians must get together to work out a softer option.
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I did not see any Brexit choice on my ballot paper so not sure how you can say the electorate rejected Brexit. Even will the remainers voting for Labour they still lost. | |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:23 - Jun 11 with 811 views | exiledclaseboy |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:18 - Jun 11 by Highjack |
Where did I say I think she'd do a better job than the other two? You're reading things that aren't there again. By comparing them to bungle and zippy I was suggesting they are all equally unsuitable for that particular task. |
Fair enough. I'll rephrase. Out of the two who would you prefer to see negotiating Brexit with the EU? | |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:24 - Jun 11 with 812 views | sherpajacob |
We could stay in the single market and customs union.,pay into the EU,.stick with ECHR and ECJ as well as JOIN the Euro and Schengen, whilst still leaving the EU and respecting the result of the referendum as voted for by a slim majority.
That's how stupid the original referendum was. |  |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:28 - Jun 11 with 800 views | jojaca |
Voted out and i wouldn't change my decision. Populations the size of Newcastle coming in every year can't be good for our small island. [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 10:29]
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:34 - Jun 11 with 790 views | Highjack |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:23 - Jun 11 by exiledclaseboy |
Fair enough. I'll rephrase. Out of the two who would you prefer to see negotiating Brexit with the EU? |
Tough question, probably zippy. | |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:43 - Jun 11 with 783 views | sherpajacob |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:20 - Jun 11 by felixstowe_jack |
I did not see any Brexit choice on my ballot paper so not sure how you can say the electorate rejected Brexit. Even will the remainers voting for Labour they still lost. |
I said they have rejected Mrs Mays hard brexit option.
She asked for an increased majority to give her a mandate. She didn't get it.
There was a general election, manifesto's, speeches, campaigning, it was in the news,
Did you miss it?. | |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:52 - Jun 11 with 766 views | monmouth |
Pointless thread. After a year no f*cker knows what brexit is, or means. That is the utter disgrace here. C*nts have been behaving like the vote was 90:10 not 52:48 and so they can do what they like.
I wouldn't trust May to negotiate with a four year old about bedtime.
We're out, that's no longer the question. It's what does out mean. For me, Soubry just nailed it on Andrew Neil's programme.
The only people that are prepared to abandon a market of 500 million people on our doorstep and stop the immigration that is key to our survival to meet a stupid numbers target (yes May, Farage, Fox, Davis and the swivel eyed loonies, that's you) are f*cking mental and should be locked away until the deal is done.
My favourite comment of the whole election was I think the estimable Mr Clase's 'No Theresa May is Better than a Bad Theresa May'.
Might I just add, May means May, and enough is enough. |  |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 11:01 - Jun 11 with 754 views | PeteC |
What would I vote today?
Leave
What did I vote in the Election
Labour
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 11:57 - Jun 11 with 724 views | exiledclaseboy |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:34 - Jun 11 by Highjack |
Tough question, probably zippy. |
Come on, be serious for once. Answer the question. [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 11:57]
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 12:14 - Jun 11 with 715 views | ploppy |
Interesting that John McDonnell said on Peston this morning that Labour will take Britain out of the single market if they get to No 10 and are in charge of Brexit. | | | |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 12:37 - Jun 11 with 697 views | Private_Partz |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 23:43 - Jun 10 by Dr_Winston |
I wonder if the remainers would be calling it a "joke of a referendum that was simplistic in the extreme for a very complicated matter" if they'd won. Somehow I doubt it. |
Yep I agree with that. Because we all new what we're were voting for. We had 40 years experience. I always think if you as one of our more intelligent posters Doc. Do you honestly think a straightforward In / Out referendum was the way to handle something as important as this that will affect the country for decades? It would not have been so bad had Dodgy Dave a plan for an Out vote. He patentely did not as he run for the hills along with both Gove and Boris. The silence was deafening before the Maybot arrived.
The whole concept was flawed imho. [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 13:01]
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 12:40 - Jun 11 with 695 views | westside |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:28 - Jun 11 by jojaca |
Voted out and i wouldn't change my decision. Populations the size of Newcastle coming in every year can't be good for our small island. [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 10:29]
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Half the immigrants come from outside the EU so Brexit will have no effect on those numbers.
About 100k of immigrants are students who come and go after a short period and aren't here forever and the country needs the students.
Only 20 % of immigrants who have come here over the last 50 years have come from Europe with 80 % from outside the EU where we have always controlled our borders so controlling borders does not mean controlling or reducing immigration.
Immigrants are people, people create work for other people, people spend money, people do the jobs that need doing, people start businesses that create wealth, people pay taxes that pay for schools, hospitals, transport, benefits, etc, people bring skills that businesses and organisations need, people are assets, young people look after older people, countries need people, cities need people, businesses need people, universities and schools need people, without people we are nothing. |  | | |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 12:50 - Jun 11 with 682 views | Private_Partz |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 00:04 - Jun 11 by ploppy |
That's even more arrogant.
The EU referendum question was quite simple. Do you want to the UK to leave the EU?
People knew exactly what they were voting for - leaving the EU. That's it. Simple as that. You can argue about single markets, immigration, ECJ, Human Rights, Workers' Rights, etc. but the question was simple. |
Completely agree to disagree then. I am sticking to my guns that the whole process was a complete dogs dinner and done for the self serving Tories.
I am in a much better mood today though. The bacon thing on the other thread depressed the Hell out of me last night.
I despaired at what I perceived as a shockingly poor referendum. I think I and a lot of people never thought that a small majority of the public would think our ills were the the responsibility of the EU and not the Tories and austerity.
For me recent events have rendered the situation not nearly so bad. It looks like we are far more likely to have a soft Brexit now with even the slightest of chances it might not even happen.
That is good enough for me :-) | |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 12:51 - Jun 11 with 680 views | sherpajacob |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:28 - Jun 11 by jojaca |
Voted out and i wouldn't change my decision. Populations the size of Newcastle coming in every year can't be good for our small island. [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 10:29]
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But all economic studies show that of those coming in, the students and those from the EU are good for our small Island. | |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 12:51 - Jun 11 with 676 views | exiledclaseboy |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 23:43 - Jun 10 by Dr_Winston |
I wonder if the remainers would be calling it a "joke of a referendum that was simplistic in the extreme for a very complicated matter" if they'd won. Somehow I doubt it. |
Probably not. But then again the Brexiteers wouldn't have readily accepted such a close result either. The positions of the two camps right now would quite simply be reversed. I'd probably be telling you that the people have spoken and you should suck it up. Snowflake. Or something. | |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 12:53 - Jun 11 with 673 views | Jack_Meoff |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:52 - Jun 11 by monmouth |
Pointless thread. After a year no f*cker knows what brexit is, or means. That is the utter disgrace here. C*nts have been behaving like the vote was 90:10 not 52:48 and so they can do what they like.
I wouldn't trust May to negotiate with a four year old about bedtime.
We're out, that's no longer the question. It's what does out mean. For me, Soubry just nailed it on Andrew Neil's programme.
The only people that are prepared to abandon a market of 500 million people on our doorstep and stop the immigration that is key to our survival to meet a stupid numbers target (yes May, Farage, Fox, Davis and the swivel eyed loonies, that's you) are f*cking mental and should be locked away until the deal is done.
My favourite comment of the whole election was I think the estimable Mr Clase's 'No Theresa May is Better than a Bad Theresa May'.
Might I just add, May means May, and enough is enough. |
'I wouldn't trust May to negotiate with a four year old about bedtime.'
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 12:57 - Jun 11 with 669 views | Private_Partz |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 10:00 - Jun 11 by deanscfc |
I hate replying to these threads but I just can't help myself such is my strength of feeling as to how unbelievably stupid the Brexit vote was.
Yes a referendum on such a complex matter was a ridiculous thing to do. Nobody can honestly say that the public were well informed. Half of the country probably spent more time considering who to kick off the X Factor than what the consequences of leaving the single market might be. Then there was the fact that the leave campaigners themselves (some of whom were only interested in their own power) just told the public complete rubbish...things like how we would have 'the exact same benefits' outside the single market (David Davis) and that we could 'have our cake and eat it'. Even their main robotic 'take back control' slogan was misleading (The Brexit government's own white paper now states that we never lost it).
I remember at the time posting on Facebook and telling anyone who would listen that this Brexit business wasn't just some simple yes or no and being met with blank faces. I remember that people had absolutely no clue what Article 50 was and thought that if there was a leave vote we could just write a little letter the next day and that would be it; no real issues to resolve for businesses, politicians or real people because of course 'the experts were part of the lying elite'.
And here we are 1 year later, an embarrassment on the world stage, having pointless GE's full of false promises (because nobody knows how much money will be available after Brexit), a slowed economy (now THE worst performing major economy in the world), a £ which never recovered and cost of living rising with real wages falling across the board for the first time in years.
And yet, nobody wants to talk about the damage that has ALREADY been done by that stupid vote. To do so would be 'talking our country down' and politicians and even our own BBC are scared to really address it such is the clout of the billionaire, Brexit backing media owners like Murdoch and the owners of the Daily Mail. Actually, the greatest damage inflicted has been nothing to do with £ or the economy but has to do with the wasted government and civil service time and money spent already discussing Brexit when our NHS and public services are in crisis and desperately needed attention. All a total shambles and nobody able to state real tangible benefits. Ask a leave voter to tell you where the big trade deals are coming from and when and they can't...could be 5-6 years away, could be 7 or 8 but one thing is certain...nothing that comes even close to the value of the single market will come sooner. Even Trump seems to have put the EU back ahead of the UK in the queue for a trade deal as he learns on the job.
I could go on...but yeah, people (even leave voters) need to start admitting it for what it is: a total shambolic mess and a mistake which was based on lies and misinformation. Should never have been put to the public. [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 10:18]
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A top post mate. I should shut up and leave it to you. :-)
Hope my Edit got there in time. Hump is still a top poster btw ;-) [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 13:00]
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Help your fellow man.
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 13:04 - Jun 11 with 660 views | Dr_Winston |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 12:37 - Jun 11 by Private_Partz |
Yep I agree with that. Because we all new what we're were voting for. We had 40 years experience. I always think if you as one of our more intelligent posters Doc. Do you honestly think a straightforward In / Out referendum was the way to handle something as important as this that will affect the country for decades? It would not have been so bad had Dodgy Dave a plan for an Out vote. He patentely did not as he run for the hills along with both Gove and Boris. The silence was deafening before the Maybot arrived.
The whole concept was flawed imho. [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 13:01]
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The European question has been hanging over both parties for decades. It is not and never was purely a Tory thing, even though Cameron obviously only held the referendum to lance that boil and didn't think for a second that he'd lose it.
As for whether an In/Out vote was the best way to handle it, I believe that ultimately the question had to be put directly to the people, and they were right to do so, even if they were doing it for the wrong reasons.
This is supposed to be a democracy. If the people aren't to be trusted with important decisions then do away with elections and just let the bureaucrats run things, which is basically how the EU works anyway. |  |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 13:17 - Jun 11 with 638 views | sherpajacob |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 13:04 - Jun 11 by Dr_Winston |
The European question has been hanging over both parties for decades. It is not and never was purely a Tory thing, even though Cameron obviously only held the referendum to lance that boil and didn't think for a second that he'd lose it.
As for whether an In/Out vote was the best way to handle it, I believe that ultimately the question had to be put directly to the people, and they were right to do so, even if they were doing it for the wrong reasons.
This is supposed to be a democracy. If the people aren't to be trusted with important decisions then do away with elections and just let the bureaucrats run things, which is basically how the EU works anyway. |
"This is supposed to be a democracy. "
A parliamentary democracy. For a reason.
It was explained to the electors of Bristol a few years back. | |
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| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 13:22 - Jun 11 with 630 views | Highjack |
| If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 11:57 - Jun 11 by exiledclaseboy |
Come on, be serious for once. Answer the question. [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 11:57]
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Honestly I don't know. I think this bloody difficult woman thing is a sham and she's actually fairly sensitive. She looked like she'd been crying her eyes out on election night. Corbyn I think on the other hand would be completely chilled out about it all and would probably deal with the pressure a bit better. Either way I'm not convinced it's a necessity for the prime minister to be the one who personally does it. | |
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