| The folly of selecting Grimes 14:50 - Dec 21 with 5249 views | onehunglow |
All a team has to do is simply ensure he is pressurised .
Opponents know that everything goes through him,that he is one footed,that he is slow,that he is poor tackled and his shooting is normally absent . They know he doesn’t inspire a side nor lead nor chivvy up players like MPH,appallingly playing a whole game today .
They know that should they press him ,he will gift them.
He did it persistently today and most co@ he’s would have hooked him
He’s costing us dearly but not as much as the “ coach”
Fair to say ,it’s not a good start to Christmas
Don’t kick any puppies though |  |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 20:09 - Dec 24 with 1367 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:37 - Dec 24 by Whiterockin |
Huddersfield are my tip for the play offs, with Birmingham and Wycombe going straight up. |
My Hudds chum says he’s doing just fine | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 20:10 - Dec 24 with 1365 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:44 - Dec 24 by SullutaCreturned |
I've met Grimes, had a brief chat with him about Martin, he doesn't seem the type to stand up to the manager, not to me. he came across as more of a yes man. I really would love to be proved wrong and he's at the managers door voicing the squads concern whenever needed.. |
And that’s exactly the issue
Captains have a duty to the club and to their teammates
If they are unsettled ,the Captain should intervene
This is why I have always maintained Grims is a poor captain . | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 12:16 - Dec 25 with 1228 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 18:51 - Dec 24 by Swans9 |
It used to bother me that he missed so many free kicks. That was because he looked a technical player. I think he was become more consistent with the amount of games that he has played. I still can't see who we are going to replace him with. So don't really have the answer. The past couple of managers have all said he one of the first names on the team sheet. At championship level he turned into a good player. |
I don't think selecting Grimes is the folly, the tactics, strategy and other team selections are.
Grimes could be a very good player for us, we've seen in in spits and spurts.
Something that bothers me is the idea that football is more cerebral these days. Sport is instinctive. The best players don't take ages thinking about the next pass, the run or the shot, they just do it. You don't have all day to think about it because they get closed down, tackled, at the very least put off. Part of my problem with Grimes AND our football as a whole is we are so slow, it's why we struggle. We let teams close us down and end up going backwards.
We need to be quicker of thought AND deed. If what we do, how we play is on the bosses instructions then he needs to change his attitude or he can ship out too.
It's a well known saying in football, pace terrifies the oppositiom, Dabn James scared the life out of defenders. At the same time, a slow paced team delights the opposition because they carry very little threat unless you are even slower and less able.
It can as cerebral as they like but slow football bores the panst off me and I'm sure I'm not alone. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:49 - Dec 25 with 1146 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 12:16 - Dec 25 by SullutaCreturned |
I don't think selecting Grimes is the folly, the tactics, strategy and other team selections are.
Grimes could be a very good player for us, we've seen in in spits and spurts.
Something that bothers me is the idea that football is more cerebral these days. Sport is instinctive. The best players don't take ages thinking about the next pass, the run or the shot, they just do it. You don't have all day to think about it because they get closed down, tackled, at the very least put off. Part of my problem with Grimes AND our football as a whole is we are so slow, it's why we struggle. We let teams close us down and end up going backwards.
We need to be quicker of thought AND deed. If what we do, how we play is on the bosses instructions then he needs to change his attitude or he can ship out too.
It's a well known saying in football, pace terrifies the oppositiom, Dabn James scared the life out of defenders. At the same time, a slow paced team delights the opposition because they carry very little threat unless you are even slower and less able.
It can as cerebral as they like but slow football bores the panst off me and I'm sure I'm not alone. |
Well,it’s a folly to play him as he is,for sure | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 20:02 - Dec 26 with 971 views | Whiterockin |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 20:10 - Dec 24 by onehunglow |
And that’s exactly the issue
Captains have a duty to the club and to their teammates
If they are unsettled ,the Captain should intervene
This is why I have always maintained Grims is a poor captain . |
Really.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cdxzgdve6y0o |  | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 20:18 - Dec 26 with 942 views | Fireboy2 |
If that's the case then we don't need williams, make grimes the player manager 🤣 |  | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 20:25 - Dec 26 with 933 views | onehunglow |
Yeah.
Really
You seem to have developed an intolerant streak .
I’m sad about that | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 20:28 - Dec 26 with 923 views | Whiterockin |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 20:18 - Dec 26 by Fireboy2 |
If that's the case then we don't need williams, make grimes the player manager 🤣 |
This could well be the future long term. | | | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 22:41 - Dec 26 with 821 views | RichardO |
Good move by Williams? Think he had said enough in the last couple of games and would he only have been repeating himself.Could also be putting the onus on Grimes to have to deal with issues we have seen lately. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:20 - Dec 27 with 679 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 22:41 - Dec 26 by RichardO |
Good move by Williams? Think he had said enough in the last couple of games and would he only have been repeating himself.Could also be putting the onus on Grimes to have to deal with issues we have seen lately. |
A captain ,being a captain .
Clearly,questions of Grimes is like questioning the “ language”
It was a good win that took away the stench of recent games .
My Gid ,fella,get a grip . | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:59 - Dec 27 with 587 views | lifelong |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:20 - Dec 27 by onehunglow |
A captain ,being a captain .
Clearly,questions of Grimes is like questioning the “ language”
It was a good win that took away the stench of recent games .
My Gid ,fella,get a grip . |
I thought Grimes had a good game yesterday. He’s a very clever player and underrated by some. |  | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 11:20 - Dec 27 with 536 views | jack247 |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:59 - Dec 27 by lifelong |
I thought Grimes had a good game yesterday. He’s a very clever player and underrated by some. |
It’s very easy to miss everything he does well, which is a lot, and zero in on his mistakes. If you’re inclined to do so. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 11:38 - Dec 27 with 514 views | RichardO |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:59 - Dec 27 by lifelong |
I thought Grimes had a good game yesterday. He’s a very clever player and underrated by some. |
He has got his limitations as do lots of players, he made a couple of mistakes in trying to tidy up the ball in the second half, the mistakes were covered, no problem. I still don't want to see him dropping deep as teams try to put us under pressure and by that I don't mean stop doing the good stuff just not doing the unnecessary stuff when the middle of the park needs to be commanded and his absence from the midfield impacts us. What I really liked yesterday was around the middle of the second half he hadn't dropped back he was right in the middle of the park, not when we we in possession but when they were and trying to progress up the park, the avenue through the middle was for the most part was stopped by him being there with others closing gaps that would have been there if he had dropped too deep. We must remember he is not going to be able to catch up with some of the faster players in the middle so the cover from the likes of Franco is vital in open play or the backs stepping up to cover behind him but that needs our defence in a solid shape.
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 11:46 - Dec 27 with 488 views | lifelong |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 11:38 - Dec 27 by RichardO |
He has got his limitations as do lots of players, he made a couple of mistakes in trying to tidy up the ball in the second half, the mistakes were covered, no problem. I still don't want to see him dropping deep as teams try to put us under pressure and by that I don't mean stop doing the good stuff just not doing the unnecessary stuff when the middle of the park needs to be commanded and his absence from the midfield impacts us. What I really liked yesterday was around the middle of the second half he hadn't dropped back he was right in the middle of the park, not when we we in possession but when they were and trying to progress up the park, the avenue through the middle was for the most part was stopped by him being there with others closing gaps that would have been there if he had dropped too deep. We must remember he is not going to be able to catch up with some of the faster players in the middle so the cover from the likes of Franco is vital in open play or the backs stepping up to cover behind him but that needs our defence in a solid shape.
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Yes, he made two errors yesterday which, thankfully, didn’t cost us, he has so much possession of the ball that the odd mistake is inevitable. He gets criticism for his short passing and retaining possession but he will not hoof the ball aimlessly upfield. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 11:54 - Dec 27 with 479 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 11:38 - Dec 27 by RichardO |
He has got his limitations as do lots of players, he made a couple of mistakes in trying to tidy up the ball in the second half, the mistakes were covered, no problem. I still don't want to see him dropping deep as teams try to put us under pressure and by that I don't mean stop doing the good stuff just not doing the unnecessary stuff when the middle of the park needs to be commanded and his absence from the midfield impacts us. What I really liked yesterday was around the middle of the second half he hadn't dropped back he was right in the middle of the park, not when we we in possession but when they were and trying to progress up the park, the avenue through the middle was for the most part was stopped by him being there with others closing gaps that would have been there if he had dropped too deep. We must remember he is not going to be able to catch up with some of the faster players in the middle so the cover from the likes of Franco is vital in open play or the backs stepping up to cover behind him but that needs our defence in a solid shape.
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He shouldn’t drop deep.
He’s better forward
Both our centre halves can do the basics and start things off
He doesn’t have to sanction every movement | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 12:37 - Dec 27 with 443 views | RichardO |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 11:46 - Dec 27 by lifelong |
Yes, he made two errors yesterday which, thankfully, didn’t cost us, he has so much possession of the ball that the odd mistake is inevitable. He gets criticism for his short passing and retaining possession but he will not hoof the ball aimlessly upfield. |
Just because you can play a long ball doesn't mean you have to hoof a quick sensible long ball can have lots of positive results although at times a Hoof is definitely required rather than being "brave" youcanbe brave in their half I rather sensible in ours.
First time in a long while we have seen a quick release of the ball from Vigouroux hands starting a quick forward move while QPR players were out of position and not blocking the flanks. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 12:54 - Dec 27 with 420 views | Whiterockin |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 12:37 - Dec 27 by RichardO |
Just because you can play a long ball doesn't mean you have to hoof a quick sensible long ball can have lots of positive results although at times a Hoof is definitely required rather than being "brave" youcanbe brave in their half I rather sensible in ours.
First time in a long while we have seen a quick release of the ball from Vigouroux hands starting a quick forward move while QPR players were out of position and not blocking the flanks. |
Much of it depends on how the opposition close you down. The young lad QPR had up front was running around like a headless chicken and failed to close anyone down. Close us down well and Vigouroux can't release quickly from his hands and has to kick long. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:01 - Dec 27 with 390 views | jack247 |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 12:54 - Dec 27 by Whiterockin |
Much of it depends on how the opposition close you down. The young lad QPR had up front was running around like a headless chicken and failed to close anyone down. Close us down well and Vigouroux can't release quickly from his hands and has to kick long. |
He was on his own. Thankless task. We passed around him for fun. Vipotnik has been asked to do it quite often and I’m never sure why. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:06 - Dec 27 with 378 views | Whiterockin |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:01 - Dec 27 by jack247 |
He was on his own. Thankless task. We passed around him for fun. Vipotnik has been asked to do it quite often and I’m never sure why. |
Bianchini did it well for us, he knew when to commit and when to stand off. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:13 - Dec 27 with 368 views | jack247 |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:06 - Dec 27 by Whiterockin |
Bianchini did it well for us, he knew when to commit and when to stand off. |
Yeah, his pressing was excellent yesterday.
He wasn’t on his own though, which is the problem their #26 had and Vipotnik has been having. Williams set us up well to stop them playing out yesterday. He hasn’t always done that. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 14:09 - Dec 27 with 308 views | KeithHaynes |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:06 - Dec 27 by Whiterockin |
Bianchini did it well for us, he knew when to commit and when to stand off. |
I refer you to the other thread 😉 |  |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:08 - Dec 27 with 270 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 12:37 - Dec 27 by RichardO |
Just because you can play a long ball doesn't mean you have to hoof a quick sensible long ball can have lots of positive results although at times a Hoof is definitely required rather than being "brave" youcanbe brave in their half I rather sensible in ours.
First time in a long while we have seen a quick release of the ball from Vigouroux hands starting a quick forward move while QPR players were out of position and not blocking the flanks. |
These are all things that have been said, many people do not like Grimes dropping deep because we see it often puts us under pressure. When he does it there is a gap in midfield where he should be and we lose an out ball, it makes us easier to close down and we've all seen the results.
Taking a different tack, it seems that no matter the mistakes, we are not allowed to criticise Grimes which makes no sense.
Looking at it from a managers point of view, mistakes need to be discussed and analysed because we need to cut them out as much as possible. Other players can get pilloried at times but when it's Grimes some people want to give him a free pass.
What he did against QPR was fantastic and he did it without dropping into the CB position, he stayed further forward and we saw a positive result.
Grimes a s a directing, attacking player is much more effective than Grimes the part time centre back.
The irony is of course, that Cullen dropping back seems to have been the absolute making of him. His movement was brilliant, it caused all sorts of problems and he arrived in the box at perfect moments, that is an instinctive thing. If Cullen carries on like this he could hit 20 goals this season. I never saw that coming and apart from being very happy for the results, I'm happy for him because he wants to be here and he works as hard as anybody and harder than some. We'll be discussing trying to hang onto him if he keeps it up, whcih I hope he does. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:17 - Dec 27 with 260 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:08 - Dec 27 by SullutaCreturned |
These are all things that have been said, many people do not like Grimes dropping deep because we see it often puts us under pressure. When he does it there is a gap in midfield where he should be and we lose an out ball, it makes us easier to close down and we've all seen the results.
Taking a different tack, it seems that no matter the mistakes, we are not allowed to criticise Grimes which makes no sense.
Looking at it from a managers point of view, mistakes need to be discussed and analysed because we need to cut them out as much as possible. Other players can get pilloried at times but when it's Grimes some people want to give him a free pass.
What he did against QPR was fantastic and he did it without dropping into the CB position, he stayed further forward and we saw a positive result.
Grimes a s a directing, attacking player is much more effective than Grimes the part time centre back.
The irony is of course, that Cullen dropping back seems to have been the absolute making of him. His movement was brilliant, it caused all sorts of problems and he arrived in the box at perfect moments, that is an instinctive thing. If Cullen carries on like this he could hit 20 goals this season. I never saw that coming and apart from being very happy for the results, I'm happy for him because he wants to be here and he works as hard as anybody and harder than some. We'll be discussing trying to hang onto him if he keeps it up, whcih I hope he does. |
Indeed
I’m struggling to remember any player getting the unfettered love affection and fan boy stuff that grimes gets
For much of this season,he has been not that effective .
He is a terrific pro and good guy .
Fans have not only a right but a duty to offer opinions in any format and those bullying or trying to curb such cirques can foxtrot Oscar ,as far as I’m concerned.
Many many are not on this or other sites for fear of being ridiculed or being called a misery,doommongers,part time ,you never go ,naysayer ( a pitiful term) . This should shame us but it doesn’t .
Every single player we have ever has ,at sone time, been given stick.even Ivor .
We live in times when people are offended on behalf of others .
Grimes played better yesterday and he owed opus that after that appalling Hull syteshow .
And no he’s not a legend either | |
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