| The folly of selecting Grimes 14:50 - Dec 21 with 5247 views | onehunglow |
All a team has to do is simply ensure he is pressurised .
Opponents know that everything goes through him,that he is one footed,that he is slow,that he is poor tackled and his shooting is normally absent . They know he doesn’t inspire a side nor lead nor chivvy up players like MPH,appallingly playing a whole game today .
They know that should they press him ,he will gift them.
He did it persistently today and most co@ he’s would have hooked him
He’s costing us dearly but not as much as the “ coach”
Fair to say ,it’s not a good start to Christmas
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:50 - Dec 23 with 1103 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:48 - Dec 23 by union_jack |
Excellent post Richard.👍 |
Bit long though  | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:50 - Dec 23 with 1100 views | KeithHaynes |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:31 - Dec 23 by RichardO |
Someone mentioned that the more times you do the same thing the percentage of times you get it wrong increases but then you have to add the fact that opposition teams know what you are going to do then they can anticipate it so it increases the percentage of times you get in wrong.This is affecting not just Vigouroux's kick out but our general play and if you do it in your own defensive third of the pitch them if the opposition decides to press you that percentage also increases again making getting it wrong almost a certainty.
It comes to a point as a fan that you know the opposition is going to score against us it is totally demoralising imagine what it is doing to the players and manager.
So how about playing the ball into areas we know we can compete and not into areas that we know we will be over run.
We have shown against Leeds and Sunderland we can score goals but in trying to play that way we also gave away a bucket load expecting our main elements of our attack to be our fullbacks, it is crazy, our main elements of attack should be our forwards and if you are slow in getting it to them the defences can get organised and shut us down and boy oh boy did Hull do that!
How many times did did we have the chance to get the ball forward quickly but didn't, preferring to play it backwards inviting pressure that eventually told.
The very percentages we talk about for making mistakes in defence equally apply to the opposition and yet we don't play in a way that reduces our percentage of mistakes and increases the opposition's.The playing of the ball in tight situations is all about the best way of getting out of it not further into it.
How often do we see Vigouroux or Grimes take the safe option but it usually means the safe options for the opposition. Every ball played has an element of risk but let us please let the risk be on the opposition more than us. A simple throw out to a fullback who has tracked back with a forward chasing a lost cause means the fullback can peal away to receive an easy throw out in front of him to run onto, it doesn't happen!
The playing the long ball up to our fullbacks who is tight on our winger is nonesense as it means that one opposition fullback if competent enough can take out of play both our fullback and winger it also means we are exposed on the flanks.
The quick ball over the top or in the channels should be one of our first weapons of choice not our last. [Post edited 23 Dec 9:52]
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Yup, and that’s exactly the case atm at Swansea.
Repetition is the mantra, and the players hate it.
Prescribed football.
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:53 - Dec 23 with 1081 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:50 - Dec 23 by KeithHaynes |
Yup, and that’s exactly the case atm at Swansea.
Repetition is the mantra, and the players hate it.
Prescribed football.
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Keith
I agree
I’ve questioned why the players led by captain are not knocking on Williams door telling him to his face
They seem effete and gutless to me which is how they are on pitch | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 11:01 - Dec 23 with 1055 views | union_jack |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:50 - Dec 23 by KeithHaynes |
Yup, and that’s exactly the case atm at Swansea.
Repetition is the mantra, and the players hate it.
Prescribed football.
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Have you heard of any murmurings from the players that they aren’t happy with the current situation? |  |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:24 - Dec 23 with 998 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 07:26 - Dec 23 by sons_of_omri |
If he were two footed I’d agree with you. However his over reliance on his left foot can quite often mean he plays a rushed pass to one of the back four or Vigoroux and calamity ensues.
This is a major problem with the system we play and neither Martin and the current manager could make it work. Hence the reason I see LW not being here that long |
Williams started with five at the back, abandoned it and things picked up, in effect he's gone back to five at the back with Grimes very deep.
As you say it smells of Martin's behaviour by persisting with things that don't work, without changing the defence every game which Martin added into the mix. |  |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:41 - Dec 23 with 988 views | KeithHaynes |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 11:01 - Dec 23 by union_jack |
Have you heard of any murmurings from the players that they aren’t happy with the current situation? |
I would never breach any confidence on here.
But yes. | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:42 - Dec 23 with 984 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:41 - Dec 23 by KeithHaynes |
I would never breach any confidence on here.
But yes. |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:49 - Dec 23 with 968 views | union_jack |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:41 - Dec 23 by KeithHaynes |
I would never breach any confidence on here.
But yes. |
Oh, wow. That’s not good. The current state has all the hallmarks of discontent so maybe I’m not that surprised. | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 14:56 - Dec 23 with 927 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 11:01 - Dec 23 by union_jack |
Have you heard of any murmurings from the players that they aren’t happy with the current situation? |
I watched Saturday's game. | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 15:40 - Dec 23 with 878 views | union_jack |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 14:56 - Dec 23 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I watched Saturday's game. |
As I said above, it had all the hallmarks. | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 16:21 - Dec 23 with 841 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:49 - Dec 23 by union_jack |
Oh, wow. That’s not good. The current state has all the hallmarks of discontent so maybe I’m not that surprised. |
If that is the case then the club captain shouod be knocking on his office door instead of meekly following orders
Get off yer knees ,man | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:44 - Dec 23 with 781 views | RichardO |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 16:21 - Dec 23 by onehunglow |
If that is the case then the club captain shouod be knocking on his office door instead of meekly following orders
Get off yer knees ,man |
Whose to say that it isn't the captian at the heart of the discontent? | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:53 - Dec 23 with 771 views | RichardO |
If a system works then a certain amount of repetition is not necessary a bad thing but if it doesn't work why continue we have seen a number of away games that we have conceded early, fought our way back into games and gone on to win, Saturday seemed as if all the fight was gone or was it a case that Hull were just better setup to counter our play, we put a couple of high balls into the box and they looked rattled but the slow stuff was easily countered. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:56 - Dec 23 with 756 views | union_jack |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:53 - Dec 23 by RichardO |
If a system works then a certain amount of repetition is not necessary a bad thing but if it doesn't work why continue we have seen a number of away games that we have conceded early, fought our way back into games and gone on to win, Saturday seemed as if all the fight was gone or was it a case that Hull were just better setup to counter our play, we put a couple of high balls into the box and they looked rattled but the slow stuff was easily countered. |
They were better but we lacked any sign of energy on Saturday. They didn’t want to be there from KO. | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 18:19 - Dec 23 with 744 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:44 - Dec 23 by RichardO |
Whose to say that it isn't the captian at the heart of the discontent? |
If that is so,then he needs to lead his players and stand up for them.
My point really | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 18:21 - Dec 23 with 743 views | RichardO |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 13:24 - Dec 23 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Williams started with five at the back, abandoned it and things picked up, in effect he's gone back to five at the back with Grimes very deep.
As you say it smells of Martin's behaviour by persisting with things that don't work, without changing the defence every game which Martin added into the mix. |
Expected to be more defensive away from home but five at the gives away too much in the middle of the park, a simple four at the back four would allow at least 2 midfielders the middle, wingers should tuck in, Cullen didn't drop back into a good defensive shape, he hasn't quite grasped his defensive role needed as the home team pushes on, can't remember if it was the first or second goal but we got the marking wrong on the edge of the box.
Tuck the wingers in so they can feed off our centreforward not leaving him totally isolated. [Post edited 23 Dec 18:31]
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 18:39 - Dec 23 with 728 views | Andyconky |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:50 - Dec 23 by KeithHaynes |
Yup, and that’s exactly the case atm at Swansea.
Repetition is the mantra, and the players hate it.
Prescribed football.
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Prescribed football. Perfect expression |  |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 19:21 - Dec 23 with 706 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:31 - Dec 23 by RichardO |
Someone mentioned that the more times you do the same thing the percentage of times you get it wrong increases but then you have to add the fact that opposition teams know what you are going to do then they can anticipate it so it increases the percentage of times you get in wrong.This is affecting not just Vigouroux's kick out but our general play and if you do it in your own defensive third of the pitch them if the opposition decides to press you that percentage also increases again making getting it wrong almost a certainty.
It comes to a point as a fan that you know the opposition is going to score against us it is totally demoralising imagine what it is doing to the players and manager.
So how about playing the ball into areas we know we can compete and not into areas that we know we will be over run.
We have shown against Leeds and Sunderland we can score goals but in trying to play that way we also gave away a bucket load expecting our main elements of our attack to be our fullbacks, it is crazy, our main elements of attack should be our forwards and if you are slow in getting it to them the defences can get organised and shut us down and boy oh boy did Hull do that!
How many times did did we have the chance to get the ball forward quickly but didn't, preferring to play it backwards inviting pressure that eventually told.
The very percentages we talk about for making mistakes in defence equally apply to the opposition and yet we don't play in a way that reduces our percentage of mistakes and increases the opposition's.The playing of the ball in tight situations is all about the best way of getting out of it not further into it.
How often do we see Vigouroux or Grimes take the safe option but it usually means the safe options for the opposition. Every ball played has an element of risk but let us please let the risk be on the opposition more than us. A simple throw out to a fullback who has tracked back with a forward chasing a lost cause means the fullback can peal away to receive an easy throw out in front of him to run onto, it doesn't happen!
The playing the long ball up to our fullbacks who is tight on our winger is nonesense as it means that one opposition fullback if competent enough can take out of play both our fullback and winger it also means we are exposed on the flanks.
The quick ball over the top or in the channels should be one of our first weapons of choice not our last. [Post edited 23 Dec 9:52]
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I have moaned on here before about the things you mention. The slowness of pass, the speed of thought of Grimes that usually ends up with a negative pass and that same speed of thought that means that good attacking chances are missed as the oppo has time to adjust.
People always crack on about how highly rated Grimes is by others outside the club yet nobody has ever tried to buy him. He's happy and settled here I have read, well plenty of happy and settled players have moved in the past just not when nobody else wants them.
The over reliance on safety is a big problem, specially when those safe passes are hardly safe and we gift the oppo chances.
As you say, better to take the risks in the attack then in our own defence. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 22:52 - Dec 23 with 587 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:44 - Dec 23 by RichardO |
Whose to say that it isn't the captian at the heart of the discontent? |
It's many of the same who reacted against Duff. Do we have players who don't stand up and take responsibility when the going gets tough.
I always found that you needed two or three strong people in the dressing room 'who get stuck in' if there's a bad run of results. I'm not sure we have those at present? | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:28 - Dec 24 with 489 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 19:21 - Dec 23 by SullutaCreturned |
I have moaned on here before about the things you mention. The slowness of pass, the speed of thought of Grimes that usually ends up with a negative pass and that same speed of thought that means that good attacking chances are missed as the oppo has time to adjust.
People always crack on about how highly rated Grimes is by others outside the club yet nobody has ever tried to buy him. He's happy and settled here I have read, well plenty of happy and settled players have moved in the past just not when nobody else wants them.
The over reliance on safety is a big problem, specially when those safe passes are hardly safe and we gift the oppo chances.
As you say, better to take the risks in the attack then in our own defence. |
You’re not moaning ,simply passing on your thoughts | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:29 - Dec 24 with 488 views | onehunglow |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 22:52 - Dec 23 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It's many of the same who reacted against Duff. Do we have players who don't stand up and take responsibility when the going gets tough.
I always found that you needed two or three strong people in the dressing room 'who get stuck in' if there's a bad run of results. I'm not sure we have those at present? |
Funny,Duff is doing a good job at Hudds and they will be back next season | |
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 10:37 - Dec 24 with 441 views | Whiterockin |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:29 - Dec 24 by onehunglow |
Funny,Duff is doing a good job at Hudds and they will be back next season |
Huddersfield are my tip for the play offs, with Birmingham and Wycombe going straight up. |  | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 11:19 - Dec 24 with 404 views | RichardO |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 09:29 - Dec 24 by onehunglow |
Funny,Duff is doing a good job at Hudds and they will be back next season |
He did get a settled team going with Patino, Paterson and Grimes each offering themselves in the midfield but we set up defensively against Leicester and no-one would say those three are the best playing defensively but others ""didn't"" have the experience to counter their attack, he dropped the inexperienced Platino don't think we played well again after that.
Young inexperienced players are always going to make mistake even if they are playing in their preferred position but as with Guehi you shouldn't cast them aside after one bad preformance, for me that descion ended with the demise of Duff because he lacked any other viable alternatives.
Edited to read "Didn't" (see quotation mark in the text) as often happens while writing auto corrects to "did" which makes no sense at all. [Post edited 24 Dec 14:26]
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| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:44 - Dec 24 with 294 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 17:44 - Dec 23 by RichardO |
Whose to say that it isn't the captian at the heart of the discontent? |
I've met Grimes, had a brief chat with him about Martin, he doesn't seem the type to stand up to the manager, not to me. he came across as more of a yes man. I really would love to be proved wrong and he's at the managers door voicing the squads concern whenever needed.. | | | |
| The folly of selecting Grimes on 18:51 - Dec 24 with 266 views | Swans9 |
It used to bother me that he missed so many free kicks. That was because he looked a technical player. I think he was become more consistent with the amount of games that he has played. I still can't see who we are going to replace him with. So don't really have the answer. The past couple of managers have all said he one of the first names on the team sheet. At championship level he turned into a good player. | | | |
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