| Willock - Will He Stay? 08:51 - Apr 27 with 9796 views | NorthantsHoop |
Willock has got his mojo back, links up really with Andersen. Interesting to see if he signs up to a new deal or will he move on as we suspect? |  | | |  |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 13:45 - Apr 27 with 2196 views | Myke |
Just based on TV viewing (what a night!) I thought he was excellent first half, but faded after the break. It might be different for those of you who were there.
Whether he (and several others) stay could depend on Eze moving on from Palace. If we were to get a significant cut from his transfer and increased TV revenue, we might have more wriggle room financially. I personally would like Willock to stay. Even under Marti, I still feel he hasn't rediscovered his best form consistently, but he his getting there. Get him on a 3 year deal, and if he its the heights of 2 and a half years ago - cash in this time next year. |  | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:04 - Apr 27 with 2121 views | Match82 |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 13:03 - Apr 27 by priceyparkrangers |
Time to say goodbye - best for all parties that he moves on. He’s shown his true colours. Let’s learn our lessons and not just chuck money at people because they’ve upped their game 2
Months before their contract is finished. |
Agree. Had some great times with us and when on is one hell of a player. The attitude the last 12-18 months has been awful, though he seems to have improved recently. But if it's happened once, it will happen again. |  | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:05 - Apr 27 with 2116 views | WatfordR |
You know, I think we also shouldn't forget that he was disgracefully treated by Ainsworth - how much has that bloke got to answer for?
I will say what I said last week; if he is playing for a new contract elsewhere, then I have full admiration and respect for the way he has applied himself over the last month or so, because with his injury record, he's taking a big risk. His injuries have taken months at a time out of his career.
The idea that we might be able to persuade him to sign a 3 year contract with an agreed release fee, with a view to selling in a year at a profit does have merit. But I think that the likelihood is we would be able to replace him more cheaply than resigning him. As has been said elsewhere, there are likely to be plenty of other fish in the sea |  | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:18 - Apr 27 with 2070 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:05 - Apr 27 by WatfordR |
You know, I think we also shouldn't forget that he was disgracefully treated by Ainsworth - how much has that bloke got to answer for?
I will say what I said last week; if he is playing for a new contract elsewhere, then I have full admiration and respect for the way he has applied himself over the last month or so, because with his injury record, he's taking a big risk. His injuries have taken months at a time out of his career.
The idea that we might be able to persuade him to sign a 3 year contract with an agreed release fee, with a view to selling in a year at a profit does have merit. But I think that the likelihood is we would be able to replace him more cheaply than resigning him. As has been said elsewhere, there are likely to be plenty of other fish in the sea |
Sorry I disagree with your Ainsworth comment. For sure the style of play didn’t suit Willock but when he was selected he was bloody awful and his attitude and effort stank. Compare his attitude to Chair who kept giving 100% despite also being badly affected by Ainsworth’s tactics. |  | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:22 - Apr 27 with 2044 views | Benny_the_Ball |
Some of the vitriol is a little OTT IMHO. Whilst this season hasn't been a stellar one for the lad, there are mitigating circumstances in the form of injury and Gareth Ainsworth. He has had good periods at the club and shown that, when he's on it, he's a threat at this level. I find questions around his commitment particularly bizarre given that he's been at QPR 4 years (during which time he's made over 130 appearances), and we have the likes of Taylor Richards at the club. Personally, I think he suits Marti's style and would be pleased to see him stay. If he chooses to leave, then he goes with my best wishes. |  | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:33 - Apr 27 with 1958 views | WatfordR |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:18 - Apr 27 by Ned_Kennedys |
Sorry I disagree with your Ainsworth comment. For sure the style of play didn’t suit Willock but when he was selected he was bloody awful and his attitude and effort stank. Compare his attitude to Chair who kept giving 100% despite also being badly affected by Ainsworth’s tactics. |
Part of the art of management is understanding that certain characters need handling in certain ways. I don' t think Ainsworth had the tactical acumen or the interpersonal skills to bring the best, or anywhere near it, out of Willock.
I'll tell you straight, if I worked for a manager who had clearly been appointed to a role way over and above his capabilities, I wouldn't wear it either. It isn't good enough to say, "well you're being paid a lot of money to perform, just get on with it". If I'm good enough to be paid a lot of money, I'll go somewhere else where my talent is appreciated and treated in an appropriate manner.
We have avoided being ruined for years to come by the skin of our teeth. The fault for that would not have sat with Willock, it would have sat with the shocking appointment of Ainsworth. | | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:36 - Apr 27 with 1927 views | Hoopsie |
I thought Willock wanted off even before Ainsworth’s appointment?
If he stays, I won’t have an issue if that is what Cifuentes wants |  |
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| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:42 - Apr 27 with 1863 views | Antti_Heinola |
I do love how many people on here have an intimate knowledge of the workings of Chris Willock's mind. You must be earnign a fortune as mind readers / body language experts. |  |
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| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:44 - Apr 27 with 1847 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:33 - Apr 27 by WatfordR |
Part of the art of management is understanding that certain characters need handling in certain ways. I don' t think Ainsworth had the tactical acumen or the interpersonal skills to bring the best, or anywhere near it, out of Willock.
I'll tell you straight, if I worked for a manager who had clearly been appointed to a role way over and above his capabilities, I wouldn't wear it either. It isn't good enough to say, "well you're being paid a lot of money to perform, just get on with it". If I'm good enough to be paid a lot of money, I'll go somewhere else where my talent is appreciated and treated in an appropriate manner.
We have avoided being ruined for years to come by the skin of our teeth. The fault for that would not have sat with Willock, it would have sat with the shocking appointment of Ainsworth. |
So you think it was acceptable for Willock to pretty much down tools because of Ainsworth’s lack of suitability to the job? Thank goodness most players kept putting in the effort or we would have been relegated last season. | | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:52 - Apr 27 with 1799 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:18 - Apr 27 by Ned_Kennedys |
Sorry I disagree with your Ainsworth comment. For sure the style of play didn’t suit Willock but when he was selected he was bloody awful and his attitude and effort stank. Compare his attitude to Chair who kept giving 100% despite also being badly affected by Ainsworth’s tactics. |
Now that we're safe let's have this right about Gareth Ainsworth; a good player but a truly shocking manager at championship level. His disdain for creativity was evident in his treatment of Chris, who he benched and was loathe to bring on even though performances and results were poor. Frankly, I'm getting haka'd off by folk continuing to defend Gareth. He left us with 8 points from the first 14 matches, including 6 defeats on the spin. If we'd been relegated this season that would've been on him, period.
Now that I've finally put that to bed, let's return to Willock. He's been at the club 4 years and I'd say performed reasonably well overall. He was particularly decent in the period prior to injury. Yes, his standards dropped post-injury but it wasn't helped by Ainsworth's agricultural tactics. The improvement we've seen under Marti is testament to that. [Post edited 27 Apr 14:54]
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| Willock - Will He Stay? on 15:02 - Apr 27 with 1775 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:44 - Apr 27 by Ned_Kennedys |
So you think it was acceptable for Willock to pretty much down tools because of Ainsworth’s lack of suitability to the job? Thank goodness most players kept putting in the effort or we would have been relegated last season. |
I don't think it was a case of downing tools. More a case of a manager who didn't want to evolve after leaving Wycombe and tried to impose a style of football that clearly didn't suit the players at his disposal. Asking the team to play an "up and at 'em" style of football where "possession can do one" was always doomed to failure. Willock, in particular, was always liable to struggle with that. [Post edited 27 Apr 15:05]
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| Willock - Will He Stay? on 15:10 - Apr 27 with 1748 views | WatfordR |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:44 - Apr 27 by Ned_Kennedys |
So you think it was acceptable for Willock to pretty much down tools because of Ainsworth’s lack of suitability to the job? Thank goodness most players kept putting in the effort or we would have been relegated last season. |
What I am saying is that if you are employed as a Formula One car mechanic, and you have to report to a manager who tells you that what you need to do to fix a problem with the engine is smack it with a wrench because that always used to sort your Ford Escort out, then you are not going to have any respect for that manager, are you?
The players have copped a lot of abuse over the last few years, but in the space of one season they had Mick Spiel, Neil Nice but Boring, and Mike Bassett appointed to manage them. It's not entirely surprising that some may have struggled to keep the faith is it? So for those that did, fair play to them, but a lot of the problems have not been down to them. | | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 15:14 - Apr 27 with 1729 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:33 - Apr 27 by WatfordR |
Part of the art of management is understanding that certain characters need handling in certain ways. I don' t think Ainsworth had the tactical acumen or the interpersonal skills to bring the best, or anywhere near it, out of Willock.
I'll tell you straight, if I worked for a manager who had clearly been appointed to a role way over and above his capabilities, I wouldn't wear it either. It isn't good enough to say, "well you're being paid a lot of money to perform, just get on with it". If I'm good enough to be paid a lot of money, I'll go somewhere else where my talent is appreciated and treated in an appropriate manner.
We have avoided being ruined for years to come by the skin of our teeth. The fault for that would not have sat with Willock, it would have sat with the shocking appointment of Ainsworth. |
This. I worked at one firm where creativity and ideas were encouraged, and I was trusted to make decisions. Result? I, and the team, delivered in spades. The company were then taken over by an American firm who completely changed the working culture overnight. Ideas were actively discouraged, decision-making authority removed, and staff micro-managed. Result? I, along with many others, didn't perform. Consequently, I took my talents elsewhere, and I'm flourishing again.
Thankfully, Marti was brought in in the nick of time and QPR can hopefully look forward to a brighter future, with or without Willock. If Marti decides that it's with Willock, I'll have little complaints as the man has earned the right to shape his squad for next season. [Post edited 27 Apr 15:16]
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| Willock - Will He Stay? on 15:37 - Apr 27 with 1646 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 14:52 - Apr 27 by Benny_the_Ball |
Now that we're safe let's have this right about Gareth Ainsworth; a good player but a truly shocking manager at championship level. His disdain for creativity was evident in his treatment of Chris, who he benched and was loathe to bring on even though performances and results were poor. Frankly, I'm getting haka'd off by folk continuing to defend Gareth. He left us with 8 points from the first 14 matches, including 6 defeats on the spin. If we'd been relegated this season that would've been on him, period.
Now that I've finally put that to bed, let's return to Willock. He's been at the club 4 years and I'd say performed reasonably well overall. He was particularly decent in the period prior to injury. Yes, his standards dropped post-injury but it wasn't helped by Ainsworth's agricultural tactics. The improvement we've seen under Marti is testament to that. [Post edited 27 Apr 14:54]
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Who’s defending Ainsworth?
This thread is about Willock. | | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 16:01 - Apr 27 with 1569 views | WatfordR |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 15:37 - Apr 27 by Ned_Kennedys |
Who’s defending Ainsworth?
This thread is about Willock. |
I said Willock was treated disgracefully by Ainsworth. You said you disagreed with my Ainsworth comments.
I mean, perhaps it would be better just to say that everyone's entitled to an opinion. | | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 16:17 - Apr 27 with 1535 views | E15Hoop |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 16:01 - Apr 27 by WatfordR |
I said Willock was treated disgracefully by Ainsworth. You said you disagreed with my Ainsworth comments.
I mean, perhaps it would be better just to say that everyone's entitled to an opinion. |
It would also be better if people refrained from having opinions about topics they don't know much about.
Do you have any inside information on how Willock was treated by Ainsworth, or how Willock himself felt about how he was treated by Ainsworth?
There may have been reaons that seemed perfectly valid at the time for not playing Willock, which we will most likley never know, unless Willock writes an autobiography and reveals them himself.
Given how big a fan of Eze and Mehmeti Ainsworth has always been, and how positively Eze himself has spoken about his time at Wycombe, I would respectfully suggest that the suggestion that Ainsworth doesn't understand how to handle skilful players or wnat to use them per se is a tad wide of the mark.
Also using this thread as another excuse for cheap Ainsworth bashing is a bit unnecessary. He lost his job, and two senior executives resposnible for appointing him basically fell on their sword not much later. How much more blood do you wish to see shed over this issue exactly, which has now passed off into the annals of history? | | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 16:36 - Apr 27 with 1491 views | 1JD |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 16:17 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
It would also be better if people refrained from having opinions about topics they don't know much about.
Do you have any inside information on how Willock was treated by Ainsworth, or how Willock himself felt about how he was treated by Ainsworth?
There may have been reaons that seemed perfectly valid at the time for not playing Willock, which we will most likley never know, unless Willock writes an autobiography and reveals them himself.
Given how big a fan of Eze and Mehmeti Ainsworth has always been, and how positively Eze himself has spoken about his time at Wycombe, I would respectfully suggest that the suggestion that Ainsworth doesn't understand how to handle skilful players or wnat to use them per se is a tad wide of the mark.
Also using this thread as another excuse for cheap Ainsworth bashing is a bit unnecessary. He lost his job, and two senior executives resposnible for appointing him basically fell on their sword not much later. How much more blood do you wish to see shed over this issue exactly, which has now passed off into the annals of history? |
Still defending Ainsworth to the hilt E15! Can only assume you must be a family friend  Given how close we were to the drop thanks to Ainsworth, fans have every right and reason to revisit the subject as they wish. All aboard the Marti Party! | | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 17:00 - Apr 27 with 1447 views | E15Hoop |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 16:36 - Apr 27 by 1JD |
Still defending Ainsworth to the hilt E15! Can only assume you must be a family friend Given how close we were to the drop thanks to Ainsworth, fans have every right and reason to revisit the subject as they wish. All aboard the Marti Party! |
How predictable that this would all swing round to me and my defence of someone who, whatever his faults are, always gave his all for the cause.
We've all moved on with our lives since then - apart from some, it seems.. | | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 17:00 - Apr 27 with 1446 views | BostonR |
With Huddersfield relegated Sorba Thomas or Jack Rudoni would be decent replacements for Willock. |  | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 17:02 - Apr 27 with 1436 views | Spaceman_P |
Can we make bets, I put 50 quid on it that Willock will be gone. |  | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 17:12 - Apr 27 with 1379 views | 1JD |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 17:00 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
How predictable that this would all swing round to me and my defence of someone who, whatever his faults are, always gave his all for the cause.
We've all moved on with our lives since then - apart from some, it seems.. |
Haha you’ll die on that Ainsworth hill E15. Lighten up a bit! | | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 17:17 - Apr 27 with 1342 views | WatfordR |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 16:17 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
It would also be better if people refrained from having opinions about topics they don't know much about.
Do you have any inside information on how Willock was treated by Ainsworth, or how Willock himself felt about how he was treated by Ainsworth?
There may have been reaons that seemed perfectly valid at the time for not playing Willock, which we will most likley never know, unless Willock writes an autobiography and reveals them himself.
Given how big a fan of Eze and Mehmeti Ainsworth has always been, and how positively Eze himself has spoken about his time at Wycombe, I would respectfully suggest that the suggestion that Ainsworth doesn't understand how to handle skilful players or wnat to use them per se is a tad wide of the mark.
Also using this thread as another excuse for cheap Ainsworth bashing is a bit unnecessary. He lost his job, and two senior executives resposnible for appointing him basically fell on their sword not much later. How much more blood do you wish to see shed over this issue exactly, which has now passed off into the annals of history? |
With respect, you spent all of last Summer telling everyone who expressed misgivings about Ainsworth that they were wrong, so it's a bit disingenuous to tell everyone to stop talking about him now.
The truth is that bloke brought the club to the brink of a ruinous relegation through his ineptitude and lack of managerial and tactical ability. I don't need inside information on how Willock was treated by Ainsworth, it was there for absolutely everyone to see through his benching, his 95th minute introductions to games already lost, and Ainsworth's complete inability to develop a game plan to suit not only Willock, but the majority of the squad, assembled to play passing attacking football. I mean using Eze speaking positively as an example, I doubt Ebs has ever said anything nasty about anyone in his entire life.
Ainsworth lost his job, a job he was never qualified to be given in the first place, because he was not delivering, simple as. Within 5 weeks, MC had us playing, and that included Willock scoring in three consecutive games. 5 weeks. The person who was responsible for Ainsworth's appointment, we are led to believe, was Amit, and he apparently issued an apology to the fans for having to go through this season, which I think is a tacit admission of his part in the whole debacle of Ainsworth's appointment.
Finally, if it takes me or anyone else reminding everyone of the potential consequences of making such boneheaded and clearly unsuitable appointments so it doesn't happen again to us in the future, I'd happily be on here every day doing so. You may see it as spilling blood, I'd have the stats of this season before and after Ainsworth hung in the offices of the Chairman and CEO if I could. | | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 17:24 - Apr 27 with 1322 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 16:17 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
It would also be better if people refrained from having opinions about topics they don't know much about.
Do you have any inside information on how Willock was treated by Ainsworth, or how Willock himself felt about how he was treated by Ainsworth?
There may have been reaons that seemed perfectly valid at the time for not playing Willock, which we will most likley never know, unless Willock writes an autobiography and reveals them himself.
Given how big a fan of Eze and Mehmeti Ainsworth has always been, and how positively Eze himself has spoken about his time at Wycombe, I would respectfully suggest that the suggestion that Ainsworth doesn't understand how to handle skilful players or wnat to use them per se is a tad wide of the mark.
Also using this thread as another excuse for cheap Ainsworth bashing is a bit unnecessary. He lost his job, and two senior executives resposnible for appointing him basically fell on their sword not much later. How much more blood do you wish to see shed over this issue exactly, which has now passed off into the annals of history? |
Mrs. Ainsworth, you don't need inside information to see that Gareth didn't fancy Willock. Anyone with a pair of eyes, ears and a brain could see that. Moreover, this fact is being pointed out not to undermine your husband but to provide mitigation for Willock's performances earlier this season. [Post edited 27 Apr 17:26]
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| Willock - Will He Stay? on 17:36 - Apr 27 with 1287 views | E15Hoop |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 17:17 - Apr 27 by WatfordR |
With respect, you spent all of last Summer telling everyone who expressed misgivings about Ainsworth that they were wrong, so it's a bit disingenuous to tell everyone to stop talking about him now.
The truth is that bloke brought the club to the brink of a ruinous relegation through his ineptitude and lack of managerial and tactical ability. I don't need inside information on how Willock was treated by Ainsworth, it was there for absolutely everyone to see through his benching, his 95th minute introductions to games already lost, and Ainsworth's complete inability to develop a game plan to suit not only Willock, but the majority of the squad, assembled to play passing attacking football. I mean using Eze speaking positively as an example, I doubt Ebs has ever said anything nasty about anyone in his entire life.
Ainsworth lost his job, a job he was never qualified to be given in the first place, because he was not delivering, simple as. Within 5 weeks, MC had us playing, and that included Willock scoring in three consecutive games. 5 weeks. The person who was responsible for Ainsworth's appointment, we are led to believe, was Amit, and he apparently issued an apology to the fans for having to go through this season, which I think is a tacit admission of his part in the whole debacle of Ainsworth's appointment.
Finally, if it takes me or anyone else reminding everyone of the potential consequences of making such boneheaded and clearly unsuitable appointments so it doesn't happen again to us in the future, I'd happily be on here every day doing so. You may see it as spilling blood, I'd have the stats of this season before and after Ainsworth hung in the offices of the Chairman and CEO if I could. |
As I have already said, history is history, and not relevant to the topic of this particular thread, which is the point I (and others) have been making.
I doubt for one moment that Willock's treatment at the hands of someone who departed the club 6 months ago, however you wish to characterise it, is informing his decision about whether to stay or go.
Or have I misread the thread's subject heading? | | | |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 17:47 - Apr 27 with 1244 views | E15Hoop |
| Willock - Will He Stay? on 17:24 - Apr 27 by Benny_the_Ball |
Mrs. Ainsworth, you don't need inside information to see that Gareth didn't fancy Willock. Anyone with a pair of eyes, ears and a brain could see that. Moreover, this fact is being pointed out not to undermine your husband but to provide mitigation for Willock's performances earlier this season. [Post edited 27 Apr 17:26]
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Yet again, another cheap shot at someone who just happens to think its somewhat less than honourable behaviour to consistently trash the reputation of an individual who was proud to represent the club and gave it his whole enrgy and commitment, to the point where it clearly was taking a visible toll on his physical and emotional health.
I'm sure we could all think of at least one other figure from the recent past who is objectively more deserving of that kind of treatment... | | | |
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