| racingmad 09:51 - Mar 7 with 11160 views | racingmad |
am i the only dale fan who finds it strange that keith hill is yet again having a go at supporters in todays observer.? hes saying their is no energy from the fans and tuesdays attendance was poor. may i remind mr hill that in december he commented that the club was in a strong financial postion and that he was happy with his squad and no player would be sold to anyone especially a team in our division. so when january comes around we sell our leading scorer matt done to our promotion rival sheff utd . before tuesdays game we had lost 4 out of 6 since dones departure . so mr hill before you start berating the fans for dwindling attendances and lack of atmosphere inside spotland please look at your own actions........ |  | | |  |
| racingmad on 08:11 - Mar 8 with 2201 views | sweetcorn |
| racingmad on 06:47 - Mar 8 by nordenblue |
Thanks for the tip about masturbation ill take that from the biggest vvanker on here as sound advice [Post edited 8 Mar 2015 9:09]
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| racingmad on 08:14 - Mar 8 with 2189 views | sweetcorn |
| racingmad on 07:54 - Mar 8 by ColDale |
A week ago we were going down. Two fantastic wins later, and we don't like what the manager says. Either we will always look for things to be unhappy about, or the expectation is of such a level that we should be getting six points from "the likes of" Crewe and Colchester.
I find his interviews compelling viewing, and to cal him a PR disaster is way off the mark. He's a manager who says what he thinks, and in today's football that's refreshing. Sometimes, you have to read between the lines at what he is saying and there are other times where things are said for a specific purpose. No one ever believed him when he said Donnelly could be the next Grant Holt, but I bet you Donnelly felt about ten foot tall after hearing that and in doing so Hilly squeezed even more the limited resources of George.
As part of that, sometimes he says things that people don't want to hear. Well good, we live in a magnolia world where people get offended at honesty (and trot out the "I'm entitled to my opinion" line when complaining about someone else's opinion). It's good that even we as supporters are constantly challenged rather than having our egos massaged.
I'd hate it if we had one of those sycophantic managers who tell supporters what they want to hear. We've had them before and we'll have them again in the future where fans are told how special they are by a manager simply trying to garner support because they aren't very good at their job. Was the atmosphere and crowd better than Tuesday? Job done.
And if he's on 10% of transfer fees received, then great. I'm pleased for him that he is getting the financial reward for the job that he is doing and it gives us a fighting chance of keeping him as a manager as we'll never be able to afford to pay him what he deserves in pure salary.
And whilst no one has gone as far as to say it, the talk of the 10% has almost suggested that Done was sold to bolster Hill's pay packet which is a massive insult to the man who has done more to this club than anyone else in history.
It's the expectation again - we expect Hill to be the best manager we've ever had, we expect him to be able to compete against sides with wage bills three or four times of our own, we expect him to have the club in the best financial state it's ever been, but it must be on our terms.
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| racingmad on 08:29 - Mar 8 with 2176 views | TalkingSutty |
| racingmad on 07:54 - Mar 8 by ColDale |
A week ago we were going down. Two fantastic wins later, and we don't like what the manager says. Either we will always look for things to be unhappy about, or the expectation is of such a level that we should be getting six points from "the likes of" Crewe and Colchester.
I find his interviews compelling viewing, and to cal him a PR disaster is way off the mark. He's a manager who says what he thinks, and in today's football that's refreshing. Sometimes, you have to read between the lines at what he is saying and there are other times where things are said for a specific purpose. No one ever believed him when he said Donnelly could be the next Grant Holt, but I bet you Donnelly felt about ten foot tall after hearing that and in doing so Hilly squeezed even more the limited resources of George.
As part of that, sometimes he says things that people don't want to hear. Well good, we live in a magnolia world where people get offended at honesty (and trot out the "I'm entitled to my opinion" line when complaining about someone else's opinion). It's good that even we as supporters are constantly challenged rather than having our egos massaged.
I'd hate it if we had one of those sycophantic managers who tell supporters what they want to hear. We've had them before and we'll have them again in the future where fans are told how special they are by a manager simply trying to garner support because they aren't very good at their job. Was the atmosphere and crowd better than Tuesday? Job done.
And if he's on 10% of transfer fees received, then great. I'm pleased for him that he is getting the financial reward for the job that he is doing and it gives us a fighting chance of keeping him as a manager as we'll never be able to afford to pay him what he deserves in pure salary.
And whilst no one has gone as far as to say it, the talk of the 10% has almost suggested that Done was sold to bolster Hill's pay packet which is a massive insult to the man who has done more to this club than anyone else in history.
It's the expectation again - we expect Hill to be the best manager we've ever had, we expect him to be able to compete against sides with wage bills three or four times of our own, we expect him to have the club in the best financial state it's ever been, but it must be on our terms.
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Submissive (definition- Humbly Obedient) supporters will put up with anything, Football clubs love them!! Hill has a dig at the fans for no reason, explain his comments after last Tuesday's game and please don't trot any feeble excuse out for him such as " he meant this and he meant that" or his words were taken out of context.
Did you expect us to win 8-0 ? It's not a difficult question. You are content with his constant jibes at the fans and others aren't , it doesn't make you right. Scroll back a few posts and the normally conservative TVOS also expresses his displeasure, there's no need for it and it distances the fans!! [Post edited 8 Mar 2015 8:51]
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| racingmad on 09:09 - Mar 8 with 2111 views | sweetcorn |
| racingmad on 08:29 - Mar 8 by TalkingSutty |
Submissive (definition- Humbly Obedient) supporters will put up with anything, Football clubs love them!! Hill has a dig at the fans for no reason, explain his comments after last Tuesday's game and please don't trot any feeble excuse out for him such as " he meant this and he meant that" or his words were taken out of context.
Did you expect us to win 8-0 ? It's not a difficult question. You are content with his constant jibes at the fans and others aren't , it doesn't make you right. Scroll back a few posts and the normally conservative TVOS also expresses his displeasure, there's no need for it and it distances the fans!! [Post edited 8 Mar 2015 8:51]
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To be fair to Hilly, you only need to read this messageboard after a loss to see where he's coming from with regards to expectations.
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| racingmad on 09:10 - Mar 8 with 2108 views | ColDale |
| racingmad on 08:29 - Mar 8 by TalkingSutty |
Submissive (definition- Humbly Obedient) supporters will put up with anything, Football clubs love them!! Hill has a dig at the fans for no reason, explain his comments after last Tuesday's game and please don't trot any feeble excuse out for him such as " he meant this and he meant that" or his words were taken out of context.
Did you expect us to win 8-0 ? It's not a difficult question. You are content with his constant jibes at the fans and others aren't , it doesn't make you right. Scroll back a few posts and the normally conservative TVOS also expresses his displeasure, there's no need for it and it distances the fans!! [Post edited 8 Mar 2015 8:51]
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it's not about being submissive (tho not watched 50 shades yet), it's about not being precious and so easily offended. I didn't expect us to win 8-0 - without wanting to sound like Flicker with his "respect the point", we should never take a single point for granted in this dvision.
I heard the comment whilst driving to work on Wednesday morning, and possibly raised my eyebrows at that comment, and carried on listening with interest, and I laughed at the dig at the fans over Hendo being the penalty taker. I don't like the comments aimed at fans for the simple reason that I know it will be a Observer headline, but thankfully due to the ever increasing irrelevance of the Ob, that's not a big deal.
But I'd never allow my elation at two fantastic wins and the wonderful position that the football club is in to be clouded by comments after the game from Keith Hill. What is more important? |  | | |
| racingmad on 09:17 - Mar 8 with 2088 views | nordenblue |
| racingmad on 07:54 - Mar 8 by ColDale |
A week ago we were going down. Two fantastic wins later, and we don't like what the manager says. Either we will always look for things to be unhappy about, or the expectation is of such a level that we should be getting six points from "the likes of" Crewe and Colchester.
I find his interviews compelling viewing, and to cal him a PR disaster is way off the mark. He's a manager who says what he thinks, and in today's football that's refreshing. Sometimes, you have to read between the lines at what he is saying and there are other times where things are said for a specific purpose. No one ever believed him when he said Donnelly could be the next Grant Holt, but I bet you Donnelly felt about ten foot tall after hearing that and in doing so Hilly squeezed even more the limited resources of George.
As part of that, sometimes he says things that people don't want to hear. Well good, we live in a magnolia world where people get offended at honesty (and trot out the "I'm entitled to my opinion" line when complaining about someone else's opinion). It's good that even we as supporters are constantly challenged rather than having our egos massaged.
I'd hate it if we had one of those sycophantic managers who tell supporters what they want to hear. We've had them before and we'll have them again in the future where fans are told how special they are by a manager simply trying to garner support because they aren't very good at their job. Was the atmosphere and crowd better than Tuesday? Job done.
And if he's on 10% of transfer fees received, then great. I'm pleased for him that he is getting the financial reward for the job that he is doing and it gives us a fighting chance of keeping him as a manager as we'll never be able to afford to pay him what he deserves in pure salary.
And whilst no one has gone as far as to say it, the talk of the 10% has almost suggested that Done was sold to bolster Hill's pay packet which is a massive insult to the man who has done more to this club than anyone else in history.
It's the expectation again - we expect Hill to be the best manager we've ever had, we expect him to be able to compete against sides with wage bills three or four times of our own, we expect him to have the club in the best financial state it's ever been, but it must be on our terms.
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Some good points col but regardless of Hills ridiculous comments midweek the crowd was always going to be bigger for a weekend game than Tuesdays as a result a better atmosphere.
As a manager his talents are there for all to see i just feel his ridiculous comments have now become accepted as thats how he operates. | | | |
| racingmad on 09:56 - Mar 8 with 2022 views | 442Dale |
"As part of that, sometimes he says things that people don't want to hear. Well good, we live in a magnolia world where people get offended at honesty (and trot out the "I'm entitled to my opinion" line when complaining about someone else's opinion). It's good that even we as supporters are constantly challenged rather than having our egos massaged.
I'd hate it if we had one of those sycophantic managers who tell supporters what they want to hear. We've had them before and we'll have them again in the future where fans are told how special they are by a manager simply trying to garner support because they aren't very good at their job. Was the atmosphere and crowd better than Tuesday? Job done."
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That bit stood out and is pretty much spot on. We do want a manager who is honest; one who'll tell us when the moaners affect the players, one who'll go off on a tangent about Brentford and recessions, one who'll put Nott f'n County in their place. But at the same time it'd be good if now and again interviews wouldn't head off to a predictable destination.
As soon as that crowd number was announced the other night, some noticed Hill's reaction and commented that you knew what was going to be the major theme of his post match interview. Now if he'd focused on the number without much mention of those who did bother turning up he could have achieved the same goal. A comment about his players deserving more support and wondering why they're not getting it, rather than any mention of the converted and that they expect too much from their weekly sermons.
The YouTube video posted in the 'loud and proud' thread is a decent example of turning a negative into a positive - though some will have ignored it, some will respond and maybe that did improve the atmosphere. Maybe that's the issue, it's the choices made to tackle what the manager or indeed the club see as a particular problem. With those who do turn up, we've all heard the "expectation" thing so much that it is not only boring, it's predictable and achieves nothing - see the interviews with his players who go on about the playoffs, see the Scrutator page in TVOS about support in the main stand during games.
If someone can point to what benefit is being gained from making the expectation point over and over then fair enough, but we seem to be doing ok with a general "we're doing well, look we're pretty safe now...oh and are those the playoffs within reach? Let's see what happens" attitude. And to be honest, with some over-excitement after a win/panic after a defeat or two, it's an attitude which has been generally consistent over the season. The feeling on here, in pubs before games, in the ground has reflected that.
It's made for a good debate though and to nick a line, hopefully Hill thinks it's good that even he as a manager is constantly challenged rather than having his ego massaged when it comes to what he says in interviews. |  |
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| racingmad on 10:46 - Mar 8 with 1944 views | macro |
| racingmad on 09:17 - Mar 8 by nordenblue |
Some good points col but regardless of Hills ridiculous comments midweek the crowd was always going to be bigger for a weekend game than Tuesdays as a result a better atmosphere.
As a manager his talents are there for all to see i just feel his ridiculous comments have now become accepted as thats how he operates. |
Can the club do a 'Tuesday ticket?' - pair up Tuesday games. 2 for £.. Or 3 for £.. - I know that doesn't help season ticket holders but I'm sure I've seen other clubs do it. |  | | |
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| racingmad on 10:48 - Mar 8 with 1933 views | sweetcorn |
| racingmad on 09:17 - Mar 8 by nordenblue |
Some good points col but regardless of Hills ridiculous comments midweek the crowd was always going to be bigger for a weekend game than Tuesdays as a result a better atmosphere.
As a manager his talents are there for all to see i just feel his ridiculous comments have now become accepted as thats how he operates. |
Would you rather we get eyre back?
he was nice to us. | |
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| racingmad on 11:35 - Mar 8 with 1889 views | YouTubeDale |
| racingmad on 10:48 - Mar 8 by sweetcorn |
Would you rather we get eyre back?
he was nice to us. |
Erye...no.  |  |
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| racingmad on 12:25 - Mar 8 with 1855 views | TVOS1907 |
| racingmad on 09:09 - Mar 8 by sweetcorn |
To be fair to Hilly, you only need to read this messageboard after a loss to see where he's coming from with regards to expectations.
I agree with him to some degree. |
But there's only one person who keeps using the word 'expectations'. |  |
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| racingmad on 13:48 - Mar 8 with 1808 views | nordenblue |
| racingmad on 10:48 - Mar 8 by sweetcorn |
Would you rather we get eyre back?
he was nice to us. |
Yes as thats what ive posted numerous times you thick tvvat.
Any chance you could post an unpredictable comedy clip just to back up how much of a tool you really are again, or maybe another thread they can delete for a change? | | | |
| racingmad on 14:46 - Mar 8 with 1750 views | sweetcorn |
| racingmad on 13:48 - Mar 8 by nordenblue |
Yes as thats what ive posted numerous times you thick tvvat.
Any chance you could post an unpredictable comedy clip just to back up how much of a tool you really are again, or maybe another thread they can delete for a change? |
Now where did I put my landing net? | |
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| racingmad on 14:54 - Mar 8 with 1732 views | nordenblue |
| racingmad on 10:46 - Mar 8 by macro |
Can the club do a 'Tuesday ticket?' - pair up Tuesday games. 2 for £.. Or 3 for £.. - I know that doesn't help season ticket holders but I'm sure I've seen other clubs do it. |
There would be no harm trying it that's for sure, from the clubs perspective theres no need to increase revenue while we continually produce salable assets to sell every 6 months, sadly Hilly wont be here forever | | | |
| racingmad on 14:55 - Mar 8 with 1731 views | D_Alien |
| racingmad on 12:25 - Mar 8 by TVOS1907 |
But there's only one person who keeps using the word 'expectations'. |
tbf I'm doing my best to compete, and not just on here
I've even started using it at work now |  |
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| racingmad on 14:56 - Mar 8 with 1725 views | sweetcorn |
| racingmad on 14:54 - Mar 8 by nordenblue |
There would be no harm trying it that's for sure, from the clubs perspective theres no need to increase revenue while we continually produce salable assets to sell every 6 months, sadly Hilly wont be here forever |
But whilst he is, he will sell our assets at the first given moment for self-gain.. Or something like that, not sure how it goes? | |
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| racingmad on 14:58 - Mar 8 with 1716 views | 442Dale |
| racingmad on 14:55 - Mar 8 by D_Alien |
tbf I'm doing my best to compete, and not just on here
I've even started using it at work now |
Indeed. It's become the word of the moment in various places at the moment.
That and shouting "ah, but have you checked Accuweather?" anytime someone mentions it might be a nice weekend. | |
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| racingmad on 15:09 - Mar 8 with 1699 views | D_Alien |
| racingmad on 14:58 - Mar 8 by 442Dale |
Indeed. It's become the word of the moment in various places at the moment.
That and shouting "ah, but have you checked Accuweather?" anytime someone mentions it might be a nice weekend. |
I'm just thanking fook it's not at this moment in time | |
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| racingmad on 15:11 - Mar 8 with 1692 views | nordenblue |
| racingmad on 14:56 - Mar 8 by sweetcorn |
But whilst he is, he will sell our assets at the first given moment for self-gain.. Or something like that, not sure how it goes? |
Dont worry he'll have had the best interest solely of the club when making the decisions,its not as if he gains financially out of any deals | | | |
| racingmad on 15:27 - Mar 8 with 1665 views | sweetcorn |
| racingmad on 15:11 - Mar 8 by nordenblue |
Dont worry he'll have had the best interest solely of the club when making the decisions,its not as if he gains financially out of any deals |
No but we do know that what happens at the club, will directly effect his position of employment. That much is a fact.
Your point however is mere speculation, unless you're chris dunphy? | |
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| racingmad on 16:01 - Mar 8 with 1627 views | nordenblue |
| racingmad on 15:27 - Mar 8 by sweetcorn |
No but we do know that what happens at the club, will directly effect his position of employment. That much is a fact.
Your point however is mere speculation, unless you're chris dunphy? |
The fact is if he keeps the club in league 1 regardless of position he can and will sell who he likes as the happy clappers dont dare question the motive behind his actions anyway.
Many points ive raised are far far from speculation, but you'll know that anyway with you knowing everything and all that | | | |
| racingmad on 19:57 - Mar 8 with 1525 views | Brierls |
The performances, results, league position, and financial state of the club speak for themselves.
I don't need Hilly to throw me a biscuit or give me a pat on the back to feel immensly proud of being a Dale fan right now. I don't understand the mentality of those who choose to take umbrage with practically everything Hilly says. That's not me being a happy clapper, it's just me not being an over sensitive bellend. [Post edited 8 Mar 2015 19:58]
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| racingmad on 19:58 - Mar 8 with 1522 views | bazingadale |
| racingmad on 16:01 - Mar 8 by nordenblue |
The fact is if he keeps the club in league 1 regardless of position he can and will sell who he likes as the happy clappers dont dare question the motive behind his actions anyway.
Many points ive raised are far far from speculation, but you'll know that anyway with you knowing everything and all that |
Wow and people thought I were a tool |  | | |
| racingmad on 21:04 - Mar 8 with 1464 views | D_Alien |
| racingmad on 19:57 - Mar 8 by Brierls |
The performances, results, league position, and financial state of the club speak for themselves.
I don't need Hilly to throw me a biscuit or give me a pat on the back to feel immensly proud of being a Dale fan right now. I don't understand the mentality of those who choose to take umbrage with practically everything Hilly says. That's not me being a happy clapper, it's just me not being an over sensitive bellend. [Post edited 8 Mar 2015 19:58]
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KH should take your sage advice
His thoughts on the Dale fans after the Crewe game were precisely those of an oversensitive bellend | |
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| racingmad on 05:59 - Mar 9 with 1344 views | nordenblue |
| racingmad on 19:58 - Mar 8 by bazingadale |
Wow and people thought I were a tool |
And rightly still do | | | |
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