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Just another normal school day in the UK on 16:28 - Apr 20 by SullutaCreturned
Both my sons only have one, but they have different mothers.
The usual rule applies here, have a look at the source and then apply a fillter. GB news for example, it's going to have right wing bias, quite a bit.
When it omes to what goes on in schools the best source I have is gwyn because he's a teacher and, having met him and spent time with him at an away day, I trust his opinion over people I''ve never met.
I'm glad you mentioned that it's just Gwyn's opinion, because there are plenty who would strongly disagree with him, myself included.
I'll leave it there, because if I give my opinion it might get me into trouble.
Just another normal school day in the UK on 16:40 - Apr 20 by Flashberryjack
I'm glad you mentioned that it's just Gwyn's opinion, because there are plenty who would strongly disagree with him, myself included.
I'll leave it there, because if I give my opinion it might get me into trouble.
Me too. Free speech ? Never on a million years We are afraid to be honest ,at least publically. We have created this society ,where even now,children are being targeted by those with astounding arrogance that they know the away and the Truth and the Light .
Just another normal school day in the UK on 16:40 - Apr 20 by Flashberryjack
I'm glad you mentioned that it's just Gwyn's opinion, because there are plenty who would strongly disagree with him, myself included.
I'll leave it there, because if I give my opinion it might get me into trouble.
I’m not sure I’ve offered an opinion, have I?
I said I think it’s ok to tell kids that families differ but that’s a fact really.
I also said that there aren’t 4 year old LGBT champions. I don’t think that’s an opinion. If the OP is correct and it’s the norm, then it should be easy to find examples of where this is the case. Nobody has done so as yet.
Nobody seems to know what a primary school LGBT champion would do.
Nobody knows of a school that has fully implemented the Stonewall resources.
Nobody seems to be able to articulate how LGBT is being ‘taught’
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 19:02 - Apr 20 with 1018 views
Just another normal school day in the UK on 16:40 - Apr 20 by Flashberryjack
I'm glad you mentioned that it's just Gwyn's opinion, because there are plenty who would strongly disagree with him, myself included.
I'll leave it there, because if I give my opinion it might get me into trouble.
Whatever I post on here generally fits 3 categories, it's either a fact (or I think it is but I could still be wrong) it's my opinion, or it's a mickey take.
My opinion is just MY opinion, as it is for all of us. We will often disagree. Unless what you post breaks site rules then get on with it.
NB, I have made my views about censorship of any variety known to Keith and we agree to disagree on some things. Because we're grown ups.
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 21:46 - Apr 20 with 964 views
Just another normal school day in the UK on 18:10 - Apr 20 by Gwyn737
I’m not sure I’ve offered an opinion, have I?
I said I think it’s ok to tell kids that families differ but that’s a fact really.
I also said that there aren’t 4 year old LGBT champions. I don’t think that’s an opinion. If the OP is correct and it’s the norm, then it should be easy to find examples of where this is the case. Nobody has done so as yet.
Nobody seems to know what a primary school LGBT champion would do.
Nobody knows of a school that has fully implemented the Stonewall resources.
Nobody seems to be able to articulate how LGBT is being ‘taught’
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I never said that there were 4 year old LBTG champions , that was mentioned in the article so maybe you should revisit the OP and revise your thinking ,Yours and the other posters' obvious disdain of the news outlets reporting this story has also been widely reported by reputable news media outlets. This little beauty by no less the Telegraph https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/my-daughter-was-radicalised-by-scottish-lgb This constant targeting of kids is sick and those supporting in what ever guise that maybe needs a good look at themselves and maybe more.
Carolyn Brown, an educational psychologist, told the Telegraph: “Children of primary school age are very suggestible and are still at a very early stage of their psychological and emotional development.
“What we are seeing here is the product placement of gender ideology in schools which is potentially very harmful.
“Kids in primary school cannot possibly know if they are LGBT because biologically, psychologically and emotionally they will not yet have the capacity.”
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 21:47 - Apr 20 with 962 views
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 22:20 - Apr 20 with 948 views
Just another normal school day in the UK on 21:46 - Apr 20 by Boundy
I never said that there were 4 year old LBTG champions , that was mentioned in the article so maybe you should revisit the OP and revise your thinking ,Yours and the other posters' obvious disdain of the news outlets reporting this story has also been widely reported by reputable news media outlets. This little beauty by no less the Telegraph https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/my-daughter-was-radicalised-by-scottish-lgb This constant targeting of kids is sick and those supporting in what ever guise that maybe needs a good look at themselves and maybe more.
Carolyn Brown, an educational psychologist, told the Telegraph: “Children of primary school age are very suggestible and are still at a very early stage of their psychological and emotional development.
“What we are seeing here is the product placement of gender ideology in schools which is potentially very harmful.
“Kids in primary school cannot possibly know if they are LGBT because biologically, psychologically and emotionally they will not yet have the capacity.”
The article didn’t provide any evidence so doesnt help.
My issue is that nobody seems to be able to state what is actually going on in schools that is so awful.
Twitter links are found, viral videos are shared and resources cited from the very extreme far end of the spectrum (some way too far IMO), with no link to where they’re being used.
Surlelt if this is so widespread it would be easy to point to a school through their website (all of which have their curriculums displayed)?
I’ve never seen anything in a primary that goes anything further than “be kind”.
The OP suggests it’s normal but not my experience.
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 22:28 - Apr 20 with 947 views
Just another normal school day in the UK on 18:10 - Apr 20 by Gwyn737
I’m not sure I’ve offered an opinion, have I?
I said I think it’s ok to tell kids that families differ but that’s a fact really.
I also said that there aren’t 4 year old LGBT champions. I don’t think that’s an opinion. If the OP is correct and it’s the norm, then it should be easy to find examples of where this is the case. Nobody has done so as yet.
Nobody seems to know what a primary school LGBT champion would do.
Nobody knows of a school that has fully implemented the Stonewall resources.
Nobody seems to be able to articulate how LGBT is being ‘taught’
[Post edited 20 Apr 18:10]
About 2 years ago I read in several of the quality papers that the Conservatives were going to make “diversity” / political correctness /woke one of its central planks in the forthcoming GE campaign partly because a number of their other policies had crashed and this would be a way of taking attention away from the unsuccessful policy.
There are no doubt some issues, but whether they are of such significance that it should cause so much consternation and outrage I don’t know. I’ve not met Gwyn, but from memory I’m pretty sure he’s involved in eduction, - possibly a senior teacher or a head teacher at a school and as such I’d attached more credibility to what he’s telling us as opposed to something being said by GB News which is a mouth piece for our current government and pushing the governments narrative.
I know a guy who’s in a same sex marriage, he and his husband have adopted 2 children who would otherwise grow up in a care home. The children appear to enjoy a full active life and grow up in an environment where they are genuinely loved - they have a much better chance of living a healthy and successful life growing up where they are as opposed to growing up in care where the outcomes are notoriously poor.
Just another normal school day in the UK on 21:47 - Apr 20 by Dr_Winston
Yep. Agree with all of that.
Again, not the norm in UK schools.
There’s lots of guidance to support schools in navigating LBGT issues. Here’s the most recent that’s going through consultation (so probably won’t change) on gender :
I think we need to distinguish between suitably respecting LGBT families, representation, call it what you will to what goes on in certain "murky" areas.
It is absolutely beneficial to children to be brought up in a loving home, whether or not that home consists of a mum and a dad, two mums or two dads. That's so obvious that anyone arguing against it becomes immediately suspect in my eyes.
Having said that, it's also fairly obvious that there are people out there pushing a far more insidious agenda. The same people who would have us believe that 5 yr olds are even remotely capable of understanding if they're transgender, or that middle aged men dressed in womens clothes should be allowed into schools on demand to read to the kiddies.
Let kids be kids. Offer support and understanding to them when they get older and start developing uncertainties, but people wishing to push certain ideologies on them are absolute scum, and these people certainly do exist.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 22:36 - Apr 20 with 943 views
Just another normal school day in the UK on 22:28 - Apr 20 by majorraglan
About 2 years ago I read in several of the quality papers that the Conservatives were going to make “diversity” / political correctness /woke one of its central planks in the forthcoming GE campaign partly because a number of their other policies had crashed and this would be a way of taking attention away from the unsuccessful policy.
There are no doubt some issues, but whether they are of such significance that it should cause so much consternation and outrage I don’t know. I’ve not met Gwyn, but from memory I’m pretty sure he’s involved in eduction, - possibly a senior teacher or a head teacher at a school and as such I’d attached more credibility to what he’s telling us as opposed to something being said by GB News which is a mouth piece for our current government and pushing the governments narrative.
I know a guy who’s in a same sex marriage, he and his husband have adopted 2 children who would otherwise grow up in a care home. The children appear to enjoy a full active life and grow up in an environment where they are genuinely loved - they have a much better chance of living a healthy and successful life growing up where they are as opposed to growing up in care where the outcomes are notoriously poor.
I have curriculum oversight of 14 schools including Sex and Relationships Education and the suites of equality policies.
I have never seen or heard of any discreet ‘teaching’ of LGBT issues.
Personally I don’t see the need for LGBT champions in a primary school but theoretically I could envisage signing up to the toolkit in case there were some useful resources.
I’m sure there will be some outlying schools somewhere in the country when it comes to these matters but the norm? No.
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 06:50 - Apr 21 with 897 views
Just another normal school day in the UK on 21:46 - Apr 20 by Boundy
I never said that there were 4 year old LBTG champions , that was mentioned in the article so maybe you should revisit the OP and revise your thinking ,Yours and the other posters' obvious disdain of the news outlets reporting this story has also been widely reported by reputable news media outlets. This little beauty by no less the Telegraph https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/my-daughter-was-radicalised-by-scottish-lgb This constant targeting of kids is sick and those supporting in what ever guise that maybe needs a good look at themselves and maybe more.
Carolyn Brown, an educational psychologist, told the Telegraph: “Children of primary school age are very suggestible and are still at a very early stage of their psychological and emotional development.
“What we are seeing here is the product placement of gender ideology in schools which is potentially very harmful.
“Kids in primary school cannot possibly know if they are LGBT because biologically, psychologically and emotionally they will not yet have the capacity.”
I think that's the entire point. GB news makes up a load of nonsense to rabble rouse. There are no 4 year old LGBT champions and it's not "pushed" in schools, similarly pride events aren't full of perverts.
The Telegraph isn't a million miles behind.
Nobody is trying to push anything on anyone, rather just enable kids to understand their feelings if and when they need to, and most importantly not to be bullied and abused because of them. That's good.
I have a colleague with a transgender son who is now about 14. The abuse the family (including the child, directly from adults) have received in their mid Wales town is incredible. All from people who don't understand the issue, how massively difficult it is and it's obviously nothing to actually do with them.
Go to pride, get to know LGBTQ people or even just watch "it's a sin" don't just read extreme examples fabricated and exaggerated by bigots. It's not an easy life, don't make it more difficult.
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 07:04 - Apr 21 with 892 views
Just another normal school day in the UK on 14:20 - Apr 20 by AnotherJohn
This hints at the main point of contention between the two sides of the argument. Scotia says: "There are LGBT children in primary school right now". Despite what he goes on to say about the complex factors that affect gender identity, he uses the word "innate", giving a pretty clear indication of what he thinks the dominant factor is. I suggested that there may be a social and cultural dimension, and that socialisation may play a role. The implication there is that what happens in the early years of primary school may be crucial in shaping identities; it may make a real difference to how young people construct their identities. Ideas about what is possible in the world, and what choices people may be able to make, shape subsequent actions and perceptions of self. So the way I see things, following Stonewall's plan for LGBTQ+ champions in primary schools is not a neutral move. It is an attempt to achieve cultural change and promote certain ideas about the fluidity of gender identities; ideas that didn't exist here in earlier times.
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It's only achieving cultural change if it works, and there's no evidence it does or even has the potential to.
These "ideas" have existed throughout history. They're just been suppressed by those feeling them because being open about them could get you punished, even today in 2024 with the death penalty in some countries.
The only cultural change is recognising they exist and are normal just different to the majority.
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 08:55 - Apr 21 with 859 views
Just another normal school day in the UK on 06:50 - Apr 21 by Scotia
I think that's the entire point. GB news makes up a load of nonsense to rabble rouse. There are no 4 year old LGBT champions and it's not "pushed" in schools, similarly pride events aren't full of perverts.
The Telegraph isn't a million miles behind.
Nobody is trying to push anything on anyone, rather just enable kids to understand their feelings if and when they need to, and most importantly not to be bullied and abused because of them. That's good.
I have a colleague with a transgender son who is now about 14. The abuse the family (including the child, directly from adults) have received in their mid Wales town is incredible. All from people who don't understand the issue, how massively difficult it is and it's obviously nothing to actually do with them.
Go to pride, get to know LGBTQ people or even just watch "it's a sin" don't just read extreme examples fabricated and exaggerated by bigots. It's not an easy life, don't make it more difficult.
QUOTE 1: "Why it’s bizarre to try and ban fetish at Pride.The LGBTQ+ event is as much about hedonism and f*****g as it is about politics and community"
QUOTE 2 "“Pride is, among other things, a defence of sexual freedom, and people attending should be free to behave in a sexual way. The event should be as inclusive as possible, but raucousness, provocation, and f*****g are important too".
QUOTE 3 "Pride doesn’t exist as a circus for straight people to gawk & feel like they’re “accepting” a sanitized version of LGBTQ people. It exists as a statement of PRIDE, resilience, resistance, and a celebration of sexuality. Kinks, sex, and protest are all inherent parts of pride.."
Just another normal school day in the UK on 08:55 - Apr 21 by Wingstandwood
QUOTE 1: "Why it’s bizarre to try and ban fetish at Pride.The LGBTQ+ event is as much about hedonism and f*****g as it is about politics and community"
QUOTE 2 "“Pride is, among other things, a defence of sexual freedom, and people attending should be free to behave in a sexual way. The event should be as inclusive as possible, but raucousness, provocation, and f*****g are important too".
QUOTE 3 "Pride doesn’t exist as a circus for straight people to gawk & feel like they’re “accepting” a sanitized version of LGBTQ people. It exists as a statement of PRIDE, resilience, resistance, and a celebration of sexuality. Kinks, sex, and protest are all inherent parts of pride.."
Do you realise how daft it is for someone who has never been to pride, telling someone who has been to pride what happens there via a third party? Especially when that third party is a deliberately provocative, cutting edge publication?
I've never seen anything like that at any pride event. It may happen, but that's because it's a a festival not because it's pride, my daughter wouldn't see anything of that nature. Because it doesn't happen if families are around.
Exactly the same quotes could be used about Glastonbury, should children be taken there?
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 10:22 - Apr 21 with 815 views
Just another normal school day in the UK on 09:23 - Apr 21 by Scotia
Do you realise how daft it is for someone who has never been to pride, telling someone who has been to pride what happens there via a third party? Especially when that third party is a deliberately provocative, cutting edge publication?
I've never seen anything like that at any pride event. It may happen, but that's because it's a a festival not because it's pride, my daughter wouldn't see anything of that nature. Because it doesn't happen if families are around.
Exactly the same quotes could be used about Glastonbury, should children be taken there?
Some pictures from a recent London Pride event scroll down!
QUOTE: "From pups to leather daddies, here are some of the greatest outfits from this year’s London Pride Parade." END OF QUOTE.
Now Its obvious that you get very 'excited' by these events and I suggest your 7 year old child is NOT so excited? Maybe preffering the pluses of just letting a child be a child by seeing a real woman dressed as a fairytale princess or the snow queen from Frozen for example?
Just another normal school day in the UK on 10:22 - Apr 21 by Wingstandwood
Some pictures from a recent London Pride event scroll down!
QUOTE: "From pups to leather daddies, here are some of the greatest outfits from this year’s London Pride Parade." END OF QUOTE.
Now Its obvious that you get very 'excited' by these events and I suggest your 7 year old child is NOT so excited? Maybe preffering the pluses of just letting a child be a child by seeing a real woman dressed as a fairytale princess or the snow queen from Frozen for example?
Just another normal school day in the UK on 18:10 - Apr 20 by Gwyn737
I’m not sure I’ve offered an opinion, have I?
I said I think it’s ok to tell kids that families differ but that’s a fact really.
I also said that there aren’t 4 year old LGBT champions. I don’t think that’s an opinion. If the OP is correct and it’s the norm, then it should be easy to find examples of where this is the case. Nobody has done so as yet.
Nobody seems to know what a primary school LGBT champion would do.
Nobody knows of a school that has fully implemented the Stonewall resources.
Nobody seems to be able to articulate how LGBT is being ‘taught’
Just another normal school day in the UK on 09:23 - Apr 21 by Scotia
Do you realise how daft it is for someone who has never been to pride, telling someone who has been to pride what happens there via a third party? Especially when that third party is a deliberately provocative, cutting edge publication?
I've never seen anything like that at any pride event. It may happen, but that's because it's a a festival not because it's pride, my daughter wouldn't see anything of that nature. Because it doesn't happen if families are around.
Exactly the same quotes could be used about Glastonbury, should children be taken there?
Do yiu realised how daft your views are ,to some .
Just another normal school day in the UK on 11:13 - Apr 21 by onehunglow
I’ve nowt against homosexuals My nephew was such and died of AIDS during the 80s he was 26
However,why “ pride” ,why march, why exhibit sexual fetishes in oublic. In private,fine . Heteros don’t really match to profess their straightness
Many still find homosexual practices objectionable
Try it in Jamaica or in many parts of Africa .Why? Because it’s Bible based mantra that billions still follow
Their right to repulsed should also come under the umbrella of inclusivity .
It is only natural to assume that the majority of the gay community (especially women with maternal instict?) would be absolutley disgusted by the way creepy parents turn up with their kids? After all these are obvioulsy 'Adult' occasions that show adult sexual performance, behaviour, attire and standards.
And like moderate (bizareely labelled as 'far-right') gays state i.e. they are being given a bad name and repuatation by what I guess is only from a minority of creepy participants, enablers and apologists.
Argus!
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 11:53 - Apr 21 with 770 views
Just another normal school day in the UK on 10:22 - Apr 21 by Wingstandwood
Some pictures from a recent London Pride event scroll down!
QUOTE: "From pups to leather daddies, here are some of the greatest outfits from this year’s London Pride Parade." END OF QUOTE.
Now Its obvious that you get very 'excited' by these events and I suggest your 7 year old child is NOT so excited? Maybe preffering the pluses of just letting a child be a child by seeing a real woman dressed as a fairytale princess or the snow queen from Frozen for example?
Saying I get excited by these things isn't an insult.
1.5 million people go to Pride in London. You've found a source that has found a handful, just a handful, of risque photos. That probably equates to 1 in 250,0000.
Look at these pictures from Pride in Cardiff. It's just a festival.
Just another normal school day in the UK on 11:23 - Apr 21 by Wingstandwood
It is only natural to assume that the majority of the gay community (especially women with maternal instict?) would be absolutley disgusted by the way creepy parents turn up with their kids? After all these are obvioulsy 'Adult' occasions that show adult sexual performance, behaviour, attire and standards.
And like moderate (bizareely labelled as 'far-right') gays state i.e. they are being given a bad name and repuatation by what I guess is only from a minority of creepy participants, enablers and apologists.
Why is it natural to assume that?
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 14:03 - Apr 21 with 733 views
Just another normal school day in the UK on 06:50 - Apr 21 by Scotia
I think that's the entire point. GB news makes up a load of nonsense to rabble rouse. There are no 4 year old LGBT champions and it's not "pushed" in schools, similarly pride events aren't full of perverts.
The Telegraph isn't a million miles behind.
Nobody is trying to push anything on anyone, rather just enable kids to understand their feelings if and when they need to, and most importantly not to be bullied and abused because of them. That's good.
I have a colleague with a transgender son who is now about 14. The abuse the family (including the child, directly from adults) have received in their mid Wales town is incredible. All from people who don't understand the issue, how massively difficult it is and it's obviously nothing to actually do with them.
Go to pride, get to know LGBTQ people or even just watch "it's a sin" don't just read extreme examples fabricated and exaggerated by bigots. It's not an easy life, don't make it more difficult.
You and others are fixated on where the news source emanated from rather then the content .Focus on the content
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Just another normal school day in the UK on 14:28 - Apr 21 with 713 views
Just another normal school day in the UK on 14:03 - Apr 21 by Boundy
You and others are fixated on where the news source emanated from rather then the content .Focus on the content
You can’t when the content doesn’t truly represent the reality.
So far we’ve had single sources from the likes of GB news.
It should be easy - take the bias out of it, any school’s website with have the factual information available: SRE policy, quality marks, Equality policy, Diversity policy, newsletters etc.
Where are the examples that the things suggested are happening?
Again, nobody has been able to share “in these schools this is happening “.
To me, there’s a lot of people getting cross with stuff that’s made up for clicks.
I get people getting her up about stonewall. For me they go to far in many ways. But to suggest that they have any direct power on a schools curriculum just isn’t true, no matter what the news source.
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