| Jamie bids 21:45 - Jun 24 with 26899 views | fitzochris |
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| Jamie bids on 21:52 - Jun 24 with 13207 views | kiwidale |
if we can get the deal right add on's etc he will be gone before season starts and possibly wont be the only one. good luck to the guy and amazingly he might not be guaranteed a starting spot if he stays. |  |
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| Jamie bids on 22:06 - Jun 24 with 13152 views | MancDale |
As long as the deals right I don't think you can stand in his way. With the signing yesterday I did wonder if it might mean someone moving on. Thought camps would have been more likely though. Is Done the last player we got money for? | | | |
| Jamie bids on 08:10 - Jun 25 with 12769 views | boromat |
Think I'm right in saying he's the oldest graduate we have from the youth system and definitely deserves a move if available. Rather see him go for good money now than go for nothing later. | |
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| Jamie bids on 09:13 - Jun 25 with 12615 views | dingdangblue |
| Jamie bids on 08:10 - Jun 25 by boromat |
Think I'm right in saying he's the oldest graduate we have from the youth system and definitely deserves a move if available. Rather see him go for good money now than go for nothing later. |
He won't go for nothing - we'll get compo based on his Acadamy success and development in the 1st team. Not in the same league but Liverpool had to pay a record amount for Danny Ings.
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| Jamie bids on 09:15 - Jun 25 with 12618 views | Daley_Lama |
Bids come up short *chortle* |  |
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| Jamie bids on 09:27 - Jun 25 with 12576 views | 442Dale |
| Jamie bids on 22:06 - Jun 24 by MancDale |
As long as the deals right I don't think you can stand in his way. With the signing yesterday I did wonder if it might mean someone moving on. Thought camps would have been more likely though. Is Done the last player we got money for? |
In a direct sale, I think so. Though the beauty of the way we set up these deals means that technically it's Hogan and that's the biggest amount we've ever got.
However, the club is set up to do just this; develop players then sell them on while the team is progressing on the pitch. While none of us would be happy to see an Allen/Camps leave, in some ways we should be welcoming it as it's what we do. |  |
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| Jamie bids on 11:32 - Jun 25 with 12221 views | RAFCBLUE |
I can't see Jamie Allen moving this season and there are three big years coming up for Jamie Allen.
At 22 and with a January birthday, Jamie turns 23 this season and 24 in 2018/19 the end of that season would be able to leave on a free. Under contract, there is no hurry or need to sell him if indeed we wanted to.
Going now for him up the pyramid, in my opinion, is a bit early. In our last league 1 campaign he was excellent but behind Lund and Camps for me in terms of midfield performances.
He's got another couple of years to do development wise but he has all the technical attributes to be a top flight midfielder. The downside risk of a move up is that he won't play and get that development game time.
If he signed a contract extension here now until 2019/2020 that would make him "market ready" post Bodman and he'd play lots of games here. Rough estimate would be 250-270 appearances by then and only 25.
He's a brilliant person off the pitch too as many stories on here have outlined. One to keep hold of. |  |
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| Jamie bids on 12:02 - Jun 25 with 12129 views | isitme |
An interesting perspective but how much is two seasons of Jamie worth before he left on a free? Would a fee of £500,000 plus be worth more to the club than his services? After all it would give more game time to Morley and then the cycle could continue. |  | | |
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| Jamie bids on 12:25 - Jun 25 with 12045 views | DaleFan7 |
After losing Lund imo Allen is our best midfielder, to lose them both wouldn't be good at all, whoever our backups are. If we were to sell Allen now then a bid comes in for Camps in August that's too good to accept that leaves us without last year's starting midfield. | | | |
| Jamie bids on 13:10 - Jun 25 with 11909 views | CamdenDale |
JA is currently on a two year deal yes? |  | | |
| Jamie bids on 13:40 - Jun 25 with 11792 views | isitme |
One year left on his deal. | | | |
| Jamie bids on 14:05 - Jun 25 with 11676 views | Shun |
I love how we're conducting ourselves this summer. Six-figure bids for a team's star in June, signing a good League One player on loan, new contracts to players we all feared would leave, and rejecting bids for our own players. There seems to be a newfound confidence in the way we do our businesss, like we're aware we have to be that little bit stronger and more aggressive in our deals, yet because it's us we know we aren't compromising our future. Good work, Dale. |  | | |
| Jamie bids on 14:16 - Jun 25 with 11637 views | fitzochris |
442 says it above, and I've said it countless times - Chris Dunphy categorically said the only way a club like ours can be sustainable is to develop our own saleable assets through the academy.
He said these players should aim to crack our first team, spend about two seasons in it, and then be looking for a move to a bigger club.
I really don't want to see Jamie Allen leave - he's a fantastic footballer - but we can't abandon our model if his price is met. We've been able to sign players such as Williams because of the windfalls we have received through sticking to the model.
I might be wrong, but I'm quite sure that Hill will be prepared for losing players such as Allen and Camps, too. Perhaps even expecting it.
There is no way he'd have signed his new contract if he didn't subscribe to this. | |
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| Jamie bids on 14:31 - Jun 25 with 11580 views | D_Alien |
| Jamie bids on 14:16 - Jun 25 by fitzochris |
442 says it above, and I've said it countless times - Chris Dunphy categorically said the only way a club like ours can be sustainable is to develop our own saleable assets through the academy.
He said these players should aim to crack our first team, spend about two seasons in it, and then be looking for a move to a bigger club.
I really don't want to see Jamie Allen leave - he's a fantastic footballer - but we can't abandon our model if his price is met. We've been able to sign players such as Williams because of the windfalls we have received through sticking to the model.
I might be wrong, but I'm quite sure that Hill will be prepared for losing players such as Allen and Camps, too. Perhaps even expecting it.
There is no way he'd have signed his new contract if he didn't subscribe to this. |
All good points, and I'd go even further and say the model described will have formed the very basis of his contract, not least the remunerative side, and the longer that continues the stronger we'll become |  |
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| Jamie bids on 15:03 - Jun 25 with 11490 views | boromat |
| Jamie bids on 14:16 - Jun 25 by fitzochris |
442 says it above, and I've said it countless times - Chris Dunphy categorically said the only way a club like ours can be sustainable is to develop our own saleable assets through the academy.
He said these players should aim to crack our first team, spend about two seasons in it, and then be looking for a move to a bigger club.
I really don't want to see Jamie Allen leave - he's a fantastic footballer - but we can't abandon our model if his price is met. We've been able to sign players such as Williams because of the windfalls we have received through sticking to the model.
I might be wrong, but I'm quite sure that Hill will be prepared for losing players such as Allen and Camps, too. Perhaps even expecting it.
There is no way he'd have signed his new contract if he didn't subscribe to this. |
And don't forget there are youth players waiting in the wings Morley for example. And I'm sure Cannon will be wanting to really come into his own this year. | |
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| Jamie bids on 15:08 - Jun 25 with 11474 views | 442Dale |
Others have mentioned a fee of 500k. If we were to get that, it would be one of the summer's biggest positives for the club as a whole. | |
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| Jamie bids on 15:17 - Jun 25 with 11426 views | Shun |
| Jamie bids on 15:08 - Jun 25 by 442Dale |
Others have mentioned a fee of 500k. If we were to get that, it would be one of the summer's biggest positives for the club as a whole. |
I wouldn't be particularly happy with £500K. Any mention of who the Championship club is? | | | |
| Jamie bids on 15:27 - Jun 25 with 11410 views | SuddenLad |
| Jamie bids on 15:17 - Jun 25 by Shun |
I wouldn't be particularly happy with £500K. Any mention of who the Championship club is? |
I think it's Bolton. |  |
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| Jamie bids on 15:31 - Jun 25 with 11384 views | boromat |
He's worth much more than 500k for me! With the Hogan money etc we should be putting £1m target price plus add ons on most of our saleable assets. | |
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| Jamie bids on 15:31 - Jun 25 with 11383 views | dale_spotland |
| Jamie bids on 15:08 - Jun 25 by 442Dale |
Others have mentioned a fee of 500k. If we were to get that, it would be one of the summer's biggest positives for the club as a whole. |
If he goes for 500k we've been mugged. |  |
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| Jamie bids on 16:15 - Jun 25 with 11258 views | CanaDale |
Not sure he's ready for the championship yet, hope he gets the chance to stay and continue his development. A big year for Allen, needs to get 30+ starts, his energy through the middle is crucial. |  | | |
| Jamie bids on 16:23 - Jun 25 with 11223 views | fitzochris |
| Jamie bids on 16:15 - Jun 25 by CanaDale |
Not sure he's ready for the championship yet, hope he gets the chance to stay and continue his development. A big year for Allen, needs to get 30+ starts, his energy through the middle is crucial. |
He's more than ready. | |
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| Jamie bids on 16:25 - Jun 25 with 11210 views | 442Dale |
| Jamie bids on 15:31 - Jun 25 by dale_spotland |
If he goes for 500k we've been mugged. |
The Jamie Allen that broke through initially is still a very good player, but he's not a stand-out like he was initially. Goalscoring especially has dropped off - six in his first season, only five in 100+ games since.
We know how good he is, from the outside perspective though 500k is a decent deal. | |
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| Jamie bids on 17:05 - Jun 25 with 11090 views | ColDale |
I think Jamie has got a big year ahead of him. We've seen with Camps last year that he stood up and moved on to the next level as a footballer. We don't tend to talk of Camps as being a prospect anymore - he's absolutely integral to everything that we do. I'm probably being harsh on him, but I'm not convinced that Allen has progressed in the past season or two as much as he should have done. I think its fair to say that he's not even guaranteed to be a starter next season. I do like him as a player but I just wouldn't see his absence as leaving a massive hole in the team that the departure of others would create.
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| Jamie bids on 17:11 - Jun 25 with 11058 views | rkershaw |
| Jamie bids on 17:05 - Jun 25 by ColDale |
I think Jamie has got a big year ahead of him. We've seen with Camps last year that he stood up and moved on to the next level as a footballer. We don't tend to talk of Camps as being a prospect anymore - he's absolutely integral to everything that we do. I'm probably being harsh on him, but I'm not convinced that Allen has progressed in the past season or two as much as he should have done. I think its fair to say that he's not even guaranteed to be a starter next season. I do like him as a player but I just wouldn't see his absence as leaving a massive hole in the team that the departure of others would create.
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If the other rumoured team is Sheff Utd then what about a deal to bring JOC/Done this way again as a bargaining tool? | | | |
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