| Plaid the party that supports the poor 19:13 - May 18 with 5347 views | trampie |
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But unfortunately the poor does not support Plaid
Talking to a UKIP voter the other day, he said something along the lines of, Labour and the Conservatives are for the rich, Liberals, Plaid and the Greens want the rich to pay towards the poor and that UKIP is for the poor people.
He said Plaid supporters were living in a different world, that they don't live next to people living on benefits who are not working but do somehow have money for smart phones, computers, drink, fags and satellite tv [although he did admit there are some genuine cases out there that deserve all the benefits they get].
He described Plaid and Green supporters as well meaning do gooders that by and large don't live next to people sponging off the state, people working and sharing the same estate as the scroungers are all voting UKIP he told me, what's wrong with the image of Farage as a bloke down the pub with a pint in his hand he said.
UKIP have came along at the wrong time for Plaid, just as people are slowly starting to realise that Labour are a Tory party and at that point you would expect Plaid to finally start picking up votes in the poorer parts of South Wales, UKIP come in and they start picking up the 'poor white vote'. |  |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 20:54 - May 19 with 1299 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 20:30 - May 19 by trampie |
You have been very rude Perch to Kilkenny on this thread, your choice of words have been unacceptable and you are now asking him leading questions, no doubt in the hope of turning people against him due to the stance of the British State and the London media .
Why don't you answer your questions first and give reasons:-
[1] was the confiscation of Irish land by the English crown which was then given to immigrants acceptable ?
[2] Should a natural geographical area seen as been populated at one time by the same peoples be artificially divided into two ?
[3] Most people know that one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist, Gandhi and Mandela were seen as terrorists by the British State were they not, do you think Gandhi and Mandela were freedom fighters or terrorists ? then you can say if Marty and Gerry are ?, if you answer differently, you will need to explain why. |
You've got a problem with definitions there, old son. Gandhi was not seen as a terrorist either then or now for the very simple reason that he explicitly disavowed violence as a vehicle to promote political goals. Mandela on the other hand, as befits a communist, was an eager promoter of bloodshed as an expression of political will. A conclusion and a distinction between the two drawn by Amnesty International. |  |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 21:16 - May 19 with 1273 views | trampie |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 20:54 - May 19 by Lohengrin |
You've got a problem with definitions there, old son. Gandhi was not seen as a terrorist either then or now for the very simple reason that he explicitly disavowed violence as a vehicle to promote political goals. Mandela on the other hand, as befits a communist, was an eager promoter of bloodshed as an expression of political will. A conclusion and a distinction between the two drawn by Amnesty International. |
How many times did the British jail Gandhi ?, he was done for inciting people to rebel against the crown wasn't he ?, some people see people that incite others as being terrorists as much as those that pull the trigger.
Gandhi was left wing as was Mandela. | |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 21:25 - May 19 with 1261 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 21:16 - May 19 by trampie |
How many times did the British jail Gandhi ?, he was done for inciting people to rebel against the crown wasn't he ?, some people see people that incite others as being terrorists as much as those that pull the trigger.
Gandhi was left wing as was Mandela. |
Gandhi advocated only peaceful protest he's nobody's idea of a terrorist, Trampie. You're being a bit silly now. | |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 21:27 - May 19 with 1256 views | trampie |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 21:25 - May 19 by Lohengrin |
Gandhi advocated only peaceful protest he's nobody's idea of a terrorist, Trampie. You're being a bit silly now. |
Why did the British jail him ?, how many times did they jail him come to that ?, how many years did he do behind bars ? | |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 21:35 - May 19 with 1246 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 21:27 - May 19 by trampie |
Why did the British jail him ?, how many times did they jail him come to that ?, how many years did he do behind bars ? |
Well I'm no scholar of Indian history, nor I'd suggest are you, but my guess would be several times; though not necessarily on every occasion at the behest of the Crown, more likely at the instigation of the The Rajas of the Indian autonomies who felt their own grasp on power under threat. | |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 21:53 - May 19 with 1230 views | trampie |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 21:35 - May 19 by Lohengrin |
Well I'm no scholar of Indian history, nor I'd suggest are you, but my guess would be several times; though not necessarily on every occasion at the behest of the Crown, more likely at the instigation of the The Rajas of the Indian autonomies who felt their own grasp on power under threat. |
Just read on the net that Gandhi was declared a terrorist by a British Parliament paper in 1932, which was sold at a London auction in 2013. | |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 21:58 - May 19 with 1220 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 21:53 - May 19 by trampie |
Just read on the net that Gandhi was declared a terrorist by a British Parliament paper in 1932, which was sold at a London auction in 2013. |
What do you mean a paper? Are we talking about a copy of Hansard? | |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:04 - May 19 with 1205 views | trampie |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 21:58 - May 19 by Lohengrin |
What do you mean a paper? Are we talking about a copy of Hansard? |
British Parliament paper it says and it says how much it was sold for, it says that Gandhi was declared a terrorist. | |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:12 - May 19 with 1196 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:04 - May 19 by trampie |
British Parliament paper it says and it says how much it was sold for, it says that Gandhi was declared a terrorist. |
Yes but by who and in what context? We could be talking about the minutes of an obscure meeting where the foot-stamping of an Imperial diehard had been noted. In fact we probably are. | |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:18 - May 19 with 1185 views | trampie |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:12 - May 19 by Lohengrin |
Yes but by who and in what context? We could be talking about the minutes of an obscure meeting where the foot-stamping of an Imperial diehard had been noted. In fact we probably are. |
You are falling into a personal trap Lohengrin, it does not matter what you think, its what the British at the time thought that counts, that is the point you seem to be disputing, what the British at the time regarded him as. | |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:20 - May 19 with 1178 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:18 - May 19 by trampie |
You are falling into a personal trap Lohengrin, it does not matter what you think, its what the British at the time thought that counts, that is the point you seem to be disputing, what the British at the time regarded him as. |
Something of a ridiculous figure in a loincloth was the common consensus, Trampie. He induced mirth rather than fright. | |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:33 - May 19 with 1161 views | trampie |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:20 - May 19 by Lohengrin |
Something of a ridiculous figure in a loincloth was the common consensus, Trampie. He induced mirth rather than fright. |
He was done for sedition on one occasion, he might not have been a threat to people in Swansea but British people in India was a different ball game, the British in India might have rested easier with him behind bars than him being free to campaign. [Post edited 19 May 2015 22:34]
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:39 - May 19 with 1149 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:33 - May 19 by trampie |
He was done for sedition on one occasion, he might not have been a threat to people in Swansea but British people in India was a different ball game, the British in India might have rested easier with him behind bars than him being free to campaign. [Post edited 19 May 2015 22:34]
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Sedition was the usual charge promulgated at the time for "crimes" of a political nature, Trampie. There was a steady procession of folk charged likewise at The Glamorgan Assizes during the same timeframe.
He's not viewed as a saint in India, you know that don't you? His memory, his legacy is fairly divisive. | |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:54 - May 19 with 1130 views | trampie |
| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 22:39 - May 19 by Lohengrin |
Sedition was the usual charge promulgated at the time for "crimes" of a political nature, Trampie. There was a steady procession of folk charged likewise at The Glamorgan Assizes during the same timeframe.
He's not viewed as a saint in India, you know that don't you? His memory, his legacy is fairly divisive. |
Irish and South African so called nationalist hierarchy and leaders were also charged with that. | |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 23:54 - May 19 with 1106 views | Highjack |
How the hell did we get from Leanne Wood to Gandhi? |  |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 00:08 - May 20 with 1085 views | Kilkennyjack |
I certainly do believe in a people's right to self determination. Surely nobody would argue with that basic human right ? And well done to Prince Charles today. |  |
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| Plaid the party that supports the poor on 09:51 - May 20 with 1003 views | perchrockjack |
And how did Mahatma get drawn into this. |  |
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