| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. 20:14 - Feb 19 with 17077 views | exiledclaseboy |
F*ck me get on with it. Everyone knows you're going to come out with something fairly meaningless that you'll hail as a triumph before your Cabinet members start scratching each other's eyes out from now until all eternity. [Post edited 19 Feb 2016 20:22]
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| Cameron's EU on 18:28 - Feb 21 with 988 views | blueytheblue |
| Cameron's EU on 18:21 - Feb 21 by londonlisa2001 |
Possible. The answer which surprised me most suggested that more people thought Cameron had done a good job with renegotiation than thought he'd done a bad job. I can't believe anyone whichever camp they fall into thinks he's done a good job. |
On face value it seemed he'd done as good a job as he could. In light of comments made by Hollande, Merkel et al, seems agreements were made knowing full well they could never be delivered.
I think "good job" / "bad job" is too simplistic a view given the situation. Having to persuade 27 other nations to share your view, especially convincing eastern european nations to not have lovely British benefits diverted there way - never going to happen.
I think Cameron probably did as good a job as he could bearing in mind the job was akin to banging your head against a brick wall thousands of times. |  |
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| Cameron's EU on 18:29 - Feb 21 with 983 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Cameron's EU on 18:25 - Feb 21 by dgt73 |
So you admit this poll can't be taken as gospel ? Machiavellian by the mail possibly. |
I didn't for one moment say it could. I used it as an example of how opinions expressed by a small number of people (on here as an example) can't be used to extrapolate what the wider public are thinking about anything. If polls were gospel there'd be no point in having an actual vote. | | | |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:31 - Feb 21 with 974 views | VetchitBack |
Everyone needs to calm down.
We'll probably get told to vote again if we vote incorrectly as the Irish did. The next time more and more money being poured into the "yes" campaign.
And wanting to control our borders is neither "racist" (assuming that word means anything anymore) nor a sideshow for nutters. |  |
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| Cameron's EU on 18:31 - Feb 21 with 974 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU on 18:29 - Feb 21 by londonlisa2001 |
I didn't for one moment say it could. I used it as an example of how opinions expressed by a small number of people (on here as an example) can't be used to extrapolate what the wider public are thinking about anything. If polls were gospel there'd be no point in having an actual vote. |
Yes but I'd be more than sure only a tiny percentage will give geo politics a second thought in regard to the referendum. |  |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:33 - Feb 21 with 968 views | jojaca |
Whatever the agenda is by the puppets that run the planet, the vote will be fixed to suit the agenda. Who honestly thinks our votes count. |  |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:35 - Feb 21 with 958 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:33 - Feb 21 by jojaca |
Whatever the agenda is by the puppets that run the planet, the vote will be fixed to suit the agenda. Who honestly thinks our votes count. |
I agree to certain extent- nothing would surprise me. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:35 - Feb 21 with 956 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:33 - Feb 21 by jojaca |
Whatever the agenda is by the puppets that run the planet, the vote will be fixed to suit the agenda. Who honestly thinks our votes count. |
Yes, because it's definitely easier to go through all this renegotiation nonsense, to organise a much earlier than required vote and then to rig it than it would have been to just not have a vote in the first place. | | | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:36 - Feb 21 with 955 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:31 - Feb 21 by VetchitBack |
Everyone needs to calm down.
We'll probably get told to vote again if we vote incorrectly as the Irish did. The next time more and more money being poured into the "yes" campaign.
And wanting to control our borders is neither "racist" (assuming that word means anything anymore) nor a sideshow for nutters. |
Lol. | |
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| Cameron's EU on 18:36 - Feb 21 with 955 views | blueytheblue |
| Cameron's EU on 18:31 - Feb 21 by dgt73 |
Yes but I'd be more than sure only a tiny percentage will give geo politics a second thought in regard to the referendum. |
Agreed.
The vast majority of people will go on headlines only.
IMO, it's more on the "Leave" campaign to push their views - after all, they want a change to the status quo. The problem, is however none of the headlines look remotely good for the "Stay" campaign. Britain went to negotiate, got what was claimed as a deal only for other leaders to dump all over it. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:41 - Feb 21 with 941 views | Lord_Bony |
The UK really needs to wake up and give some thought on this and whats best for our future.
There wont be another referendum in our lifetimes. |  |
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| Cameron's EU on 18:42 - Feb 21 with 940 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU on 18:36 - Feb 21 by blueytheblue |
Agreed.
The vast majority of people will go on headlines only.
IMO, it's more on the "Leave" campaign to push their views - after all, they want a change to the status quo. The problem, is however none of the headlines look remotely good for the "Stay" campaign. Britain went to negotiate, got what was claimed as a deal only for other leaders to dump all over it. |
The way I see things is I'll be voting for Brexit - but still expect the IN campaign to win for some reason. I hope that I'm wrong. | |
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| Cameron's EU on 18:44 - Feb 21 with 934 views | Jackfath |
| Cameron's EU on 18:42 - Feb 21 by dgt73 |
The way I see things is I'll be voting for Brexit - but still expect the IN campaign to win for some reason. I hope that I'm wrong. |
The reason would be that they'd get more votes.
Happy to help. |  |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:46 - Feb 21 with 932 views | trampie |
It is said that Wales is a net beneficiary of the EU, if so and UK votes to leave then does Wales get that short fall made up ? |  |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:48 - Feb 21 with 930 views | ThurrockJack92 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:46 - Feb 21 by trampie |
It is said that Wales is a net beneficiary of the EU, if so and UK votes to leave then does Wales get that short fall made up ? |
Some things are more important than money Trampie. |  | | |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 19:05 - Feb 21 with 908 views | trampie |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 18:48 - Feb 21 by ThurrockJack92 |
Some things are more important than money Trampie. |
So I take it from that non answer that Wales will lose out. | |
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| Cameron's EU on 19:10 - Feb 21 with 900 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 19:05 - Feb 21 by trampie |
So I take it from that non answer that Wales will lose out. |
How will Wales lose out ? Some of the £350 million that the UK gives to the eu each week would no doubt come wales way.
I have no evidence to back this up, just as no one has any evidence that Wales will lose out. [Post edited 21 Feb 2016 19:11]
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 19:13 - Feb 21 with 894 views | tomdickharry |
1999 to 2000, remember all the bull that came out that if one computer wasn't programmed correctly the whole world would come to an end,still waiting | | | |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 19:18 - Feb 21 with 880 views | blueytheblue |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 19:13 - Feb 21 by tomdickharry |
1999 to 2000, remember all the bull that came out that if one computer wasn't programmed correctly the whole world would come to an end,still waiting |
I well remember the incredibly large amount of work a lot of developers put in to avert problems caused by the millenium issue. Mostly because I was working a hell of a lot of hours on some systems. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 19:19 - Feb 21 with 880 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 19:13 - Feb 21 by tomdickharry |
1999 to 2000, remember all the bull that came out that if one computer wasn't programmed correctly the whole world would come to an end,still waiting |
Aye and apparently this country can't survive outside the eu....  even though we've survived fairly well during our 1000 year history on our OWN. | |
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| Cameron's EU on 19:21 - Feb 21 with 874 views | trampie |
| Cameron's EU on 19:10 - Feb 21 by dgt73 |
How will Wales lose out ? Some of the £350 million that the UK gives to the eu each week would no doubt come wales way.
I have no evidence to back this up, just as no one has any evidence that Wales will lose out. [Post edited 21 Feb 2016 19:11]
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It is estimated that Wales gets more out of it than it puts into it, not the case for the UK as a whole.
So from a financial point of view Wales would be better in than out ?, could Wales trust the Westminster Government to make the short fall up if its an out vote ?
The Westminster Government don't have a track record of directing funds to areas that need it most in areas outside London like you would expect a Government of a sovereign country to do. | |
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| Cameron's EU on 19:23 - Feb 21 with 866 views | ItchySphincter |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 15:18 - Feb 20 by exiledclaseboy |
Chances are that a vote to leave the EU will precipitate a second independence referendum is Scotland which is far more likely to lead to a "yes" vote than the last one if English votes have led to an EU exit for the UK. So June's vote is not only deciding the UK's future in Europe, in effect its deciding the existential future of the U.K. itself. Exciting stuff. |
Yeah, the Scot's don't like sucking from the London tit so they'll vote suck on the Brussels one instead. Independence my arse.
We'll vote 'in' anyway when it comes down to it. [Post edited 21 Feb 2016 19:24]
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| Cameron's EU on 19:24 - Feb 21 with 864 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU on 19:21 - Feb 21 by trampie |
It is estimated that Wales gets more out of it than it puts into it, not the case for the UK as a whole.
So from a financial point of view Wales would be better in than out ?, could Wales trust the Westminster Government to make the short fall up if its an out vote ?
The Westminster Government don't have a track record of directing funds to areas that need it most in areas outside London like you would expect a Government of a sovereign country to do. |
Trampie where do you think the eu gets it money from ? | |
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| Cameron's EU on 19:27 - Feb 21 with 860 views | ThurrockJack92 |
| Cameron's EU on 19:21 - Feb 21 by trampie |
It is estimated that Wales gets more out of it than it puts into it, not the case for the UK as a whole.
So from a financial point of view Wales would be better in than out ?, could Wales trust the Westminster Government to make the short fall up if its an out vote ?
The Westminster Government don't have a track record of directing funds to areas that need it most in areas outside London like you would expect a Government of a sovereign country to do. |
It's my understanding that Wales get more spent on them from the government than average. Can't see why this principal would change with the distribution of the money we would no longer have to pay to the EU. | | | |
| Cameron's EU on 19:30 - Feb 21 with 854 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU on 19:27 - Feb 21 by ThurrockJack92 |
It's my understanding that Wales get more spent on them from the government than average. Can't see why this principal would change with the distribution of the money we would no longer have to pay to the EU. |
Yes Wales gets more spent on it by Westminster than Wales collects in taxation- but don't tell Trampie. Pmsl. | |
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