| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 13:21 - May 7 with 1642 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 08:25 - May 7 by TheBlob |
A pleasure to watch
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Watch to a pleasure.
Nope,no matter how I configure it,it still comes out the same. |
It was his opinion mate.
I agree with him to a certain extent. At least we have competed most games under him. Palace is the only exception and we were marginally better than them for the first twenty minutes. |  | |  |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 13:30 - May 7 with 1608 views | daveB |
He's been injured most of the time, any time he has been fit he has been on the bench under Ramsey |  | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 13:31 - May 7 with 1603 views | daveB |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 12:21 - May 7 by loftus77 |
Sadly, I agree with many on here — its a big and absolute NO to Chris Ramsey from me.
As said before, nothing against the guy at all — all the evidence points to a thoroughly decent coach who would be a highly effective No.2 (developing squad players and youth talent) at a Championship, or even Premier League, club.
But we’re talking about our manager here — someone who could deal with being the frontman for our club, giving the team a vision and driving it forward tactically in the Championship - the 4th best league in the world (according to some).
I have seen nothing whatsoever since January to suggest that CR is that man. Maybe he should cut his managerial teeth in the hot-seat at a League Two club first (no easy task) and gain the necessary experience that way?
Dream ticket for me, would be Mark Warburton as manager with Chris Ramsey as coach/assistant manager. |
He's not going to be manager he's going to be first team coach, I'm not sure how managing in league two will make him any better qualified for us. | | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 13:51 - May 7 with 1567 views | Hooped_Pullie |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 13:31 - May 7 by daveB |
He's not going to be manager he's going to be first team coach, I'm not sure how managing in league two will make him any better qualified for us. |
I can see the point here though : after the brief caretaker spells, Wild Thing has done absolutely the 'right thing', and is making a great job of laying the foundations (for himself & the club) at Wycombe.
A little unfortunately, I think the top job with us has come a bit too early for him to be considered : I'd be surprised if Gareth doesn't manage us at some stage in the future. Great player, great attitude. |  | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 14:26 - May 7 with 1532 views | Antti_Heinola |
I don't think any of us can truly know how Ramsey will do given a new squad and so forth. He's been firefighting since Feb and all things considered he has not done too badly. Apart from Palace, we've competed well in every game. You can look at his CV all you want or bleat about experience all you want, but only time will tell. None of us have been coached by him or sat in one of his team talks. While his ludicrous caution v West Ham still baffles me, he was starting to fashion something interesting before Vargas got injured.
We've had something like 15 managers since 1992 - and that doesn't include caretakers. We've had experienced managers, hands on coaches, hands off bosses, english managers, foreign managers, managers with loads to spend, managers with nothing to spend, old managers with loads of clubs behind them, young managers just starting out. We've had the lot, and there's no real pattern there to suggest which combination produces a 'good' manager. There'd even be rows on here even with the benefit of hindsight as to who was and wasn't a 'good' manager for us. Redknapp had his backers right up to the day he walked out. Some people liked Dowie. I thought Sousa did a good job under trying circumstances and was laying a good base for us to spring from. De Canio has his lovers and those who think he was overrated. Christ, Gerry Francis was brilliant in one spell and not very good in his second spell.
I suppose what I'm saying is, none of us have any idea what we're talking about.
But... my biggest concern with appointing Ramsey is the re-building job that needs doing. Ideally we should be releasing pretty much everyone who's out of contract. But to do that means an enormous job akin to what Olly had to do the first year of League One. He managed that in the main because of Kenny Jackett, who got us a load of Watford players who were vital that season. We have no Kenny Jackett this time. In that sense, Allardyce would be a good pick. But I can't stand that fat-headed, arrogant tw@t, so it can't be him. As others have said, I'd love to see KJ back. |  |
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 14:57 - May 7 with 1465 views | VancouverHoop |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 14:26 - May 7 by Antti_Heinola |
I don't think any of us can truly know how Ramsey will do given a new squad and so forth. He's been firefighting since Feb and all things considered he has not done too badly. Apart from Palace, we've competed well in every game. You can look at his CV all you want or bleat about experience all you want, but only time will tell. None of us have been coached by him or sat in one of his team talks. While his ludicrous caution v West Ham still baffles me, he was starting to fashion something interesting before Vargas got injured.
We've had something like 15 managers since 1992 - and that doesn't include caretakers. We've had experienced managers, hands on coaches, hands off bosses, english managers, foreign managers, managers with loads to spend, managers with nothing to spend, old managers with loads of clubs behind them, young managers just starting out. We've had the lot, and there's no real pattern there to suggest which combination produces a 'good' manager. There'd even be rows on here even with the benefit of hindsight as to who was and wasn't a 'good' manager for us. Redknapp had his backers right up to the day he walked out. Some people liked Dowie. I thought Sousa did a good job under trying circumstances and was laying a good base for us to spring from. De Canio has his lovers and those who think he was overrated. Christ, Gerry Francis was brilliant in one spell and not very good in his second spell.
I suppose what I'm saying is, none of us have any idea what we're talking about.
But... my biggest concern with appointing Ramsey is the re-building job that needs doing. Ideally we should be releasing pretty much everyone who's out of contract. But to do that means an enormous job akin to what Olly had to do the first year of League One. He managed that in the main because of Kenny Jackett, who got us a load of Watford players who were vital that season. We have no Kenny Jackett this time. In that sense, Allardyce would be a good pick. But I can't stand that fat-headed, arrogant tw@t, so it can't be him. As others have said, I'd love to see KJ back. |
Good post.
Re: the last para, it is a huge job and will take several seasons. But a building needs foundations, and that's what Ramsey may be able to build. Take a bunch of young players, maybe not the most talented, but organise them in a way that creates self confidence, and mutual trust. Experience and skill can be filtered in as you move forward, but it will be added to a team with an established playing culture.
The other thing is, this hiring is not just about Ramsey, it's also about Les Ferdinand. They were hired together, to work together. It's likely the management scenario that's evolving was on the cards from the day they came to the club. I'm guessing player recruitment will be more Les's remit than Ramsey's, at least in the early months. [Post edited 7 May 2015 14:58]
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 15:00 - May 7 with 1454 views | Northernr |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 14:26 - May 7 by Antti_Heinola |
I don't think any of us can truly know how Ramsey will do given a new squad and so forth. He's been firefighting since Feb and all things considered he has not done too badly. Apart from Palace, we've competed well in every game. You can look at his CV all you want or bleat about experience all you want, but only time will tell. None of us have been coached by him or sat in one of his team talks. While his ludicrous caution v West Ham still baffles me, he was starting to fashion something interesting before Vargas got injured.
We've had something like 15 managers since 1992 - and that doesn't include caretakers. We've had experienced managers, hands on coaches, hands off bosses, english managers, foreign managers, managers with loads to spend, managers with nothing to spend, old managers with loads of clubs behind them, young managers just starting out. We've had the lot, and there's no real pattern there to suggest which combination produces a 'good' manager. There'd even be rows on here even with the benefit of hindsight as to who was and wasn't a 'good' manager for us. Redknapp had his backers right up to the day he walked out. Some people liked Dowie. I thought Sousa did a good job under trying circumstances and was laying a good base for us to spring from. De Canio has his lovers and those who think he was overrated. Christ, Gerry Francis was brilliant in one spell and not very good in his second spell.
I suppose what I'm saying is, none of us have any idea what we're talking about.
But... my biggest concern with appointing Ramsey is the re-building job that needs doing. Ideally we should be releasing pretty much everyone who's out of contract. But to do that means an enormous job akin to what Olly had to do the first year of League One. He managed that in the main because of Kenny Jackett, who got us a load of Watford players who were vital that season. We have no Kenny Jackett this time. In that sense, Allardyce would be a good pick. But I can't stand that fat-headed, arrogant tw@t, so it can't be him. As others have said, I'd love to see KJ back. |
Olly did it with Jackett and Mel Johnson who is of course freely available should we want him to bring his magic cauldron back and start magicking players like Lee Cook, Martin Rowlands, Aziz Ben Askar and Danny Shittu out of thin air and dry ice again. |  | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 15:04 - May 7 with 1438 views | Discodroids |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 14:26 - May 7 by Antti_Heinola |
I don't think any of us can truly know how Ramsey will do given a new squad and so forth. He's been firefighting since Feb and all things considered he has not done too badly. Apart from Palace, we've competed well in every game. You can look at his CV all you want or bleat about experience all you want, but only time will tell. None of us have been coached by him or sat in one of his team talks. While his ludicrous caution v West Ham still baffles me, he was starting to fashion something interesting before Vargas got injured.
We've had something like 15 managers since 1992 - and that doesn't include caretakers. We've had experienced managers, hands on coaches, hands off bosses, english managers, foreign managers, managers with loads to spend, managers with nothing to spend, old managers with loads of clubs behind them, young managers just starting out. We've had the lot, and there's no real pattern there to suggest which combination produces a 'good' manager. There'd even be rows on here even with the benefit of hindsight as to who was and wasn't a 'good' manager for us. Redknapp had his backers right up to the day he walked out. Some people liked Dowie. I thought Sousa did a good job under trying circumstances and was laying a good base for us to spring from. De Canio has his lovers and those who think he was overrated. Christ, Gerry Francis was brilliant in one spell and not very good in his second spell.
I suppose what I'm saying is, none of us have any idea what we're talking about.
But... my biggest concern with appointing Ramsey is the re-building job that needs doing. Ideally we should be releasing pretty much everyone who's out of contract. But to do that means an enormous job akin to what Olly had to do the first year of League One. He managed that in the main because of Kenny Jackett, who got us a load of Watford players who were vital that season. We have no Kenny Jackett this time. In that sense, Allardyce would be a good pick. But I can't stand that fat-headed, arrogant tw@t, so it can't be him. As others have said, I'd love to see KJ back. |
and i commend this statement to the house.
(except for the keeping ramsey bit) [Post edited 7 May 2015 15:15]
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 16:19 - May 7 with 1378 views | TheBlob |
Les and Chris were signed because it was precursor to signing Sherwood and the old team could get going once again - or so I thought.
But now it looks like Larry and Curly minus Moe. [Post edited 7 May 2015 16:20]
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 16:38 - May 7 with 1342 views | baz_qpr |
Key requirements for a manager
1. Man Management
2. Tactics
3. In Game Management
4. Player Aqusiitions
1. - Man management, popular with the players in most cases , still very early not had to make any really big decisions that might effect the dressing room 6/10
2.- Tactics, has got some right, got some very wrong. Home form as dire as Redknapps, West Ham tactics appalling, dont like his negative tendencies. Football has been pretty dire long ball stuff, carry on like that in the championship and it will be 2nd relegation. 4/10
3 - In Game management, changed the game in our favour once through subs, could not for the life of me understand why in a must win game V West Ham we continued to play Karl Henry at left wing. 5/10
4 - Player Acquisition -Totally unknown so 5/10
So if I was appointing a candidate on a scoring basis I would give him 20/40 Which is the exact figure I would give a total unknown such as Clement and I guess a lot less than you would score a Warburton or many of the other potential candidates.
I would therefore say this is a total gamble |  | | |
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