| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 01:08 - May 7 with 2218 views | TearsOfaClown |
he has something to prove rather than sitting of his laurels.
Give him 2 years or 5 years, I don't care - I want a solution not a quick fix.
Since he has been manager the team has been a pleasure to watch and it will get better. |  | |  |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 01:38 - May 7 with 2199 views | Hooped_Pullie |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 01:08 - May 7 by TearsOfaClown |
he has something to prove rather than sitting of his laurels.
Give him 2 years or 5 years, I don't care - I want a solution not a quick fix.
Since he has been manager the team has been a pleasure to watch and it will get better. |
Have to say, again, I wouldn't appoint Ramsey.
Lots of qualifications, lots of experience (albeit most of it peripheral), reputedly intelligent, hard working and decent. Sadly, none of that guarantees quality football management.
Of course, nothing does. But the best managers are lucky, sharp and have the knack to win : look at Alex Neil at Norwich, for example. Based on what I've seen, Chris just doesn't have it, and the Champ eats inexperienced managers for breakfast UNLESS they've got that knack.
However, a note of caution : Warnock's appointment wasn't greeted with much enthusiasm, as I recall, but he went on to create some unforgettable memories - and a trophy, for pity's sake. At our Club, of all places ! There is the possibility that myself and other sceptics will be proved wrong, and Ramsey will actually do well in the second tier. One of those ones where eating your words is a delicious prospect, for sure.
I still keep having nightmares about the forthcoming 0-3 home defeat by Huddersfield, though. |  | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 08:25 - May 7 with 2059 views | TheBlob |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 01:08 - May 7 by TearsOfaClown |
he has something to prove rather than sitting of his laurels.
Give him 2 years or 5 years, I don't care - I want a solution not a quick fix.
Since he has been manager the team has been a pleasure to watch and it will get better. |
A pleasure to watch
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Watch to a pleasure.
Nope,no matter how I configure it,it still comes out the same. |  |
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 08:44 - May 7 with 2034 views | Discodroids |
the watchtower salesman a manager !!!.....theres more chance of tower hamlets declaring their election results before christmas , in a Zanu PF ballot box containing 100 papers delivered to a 'Mr R. Mugabi' for counting, then by some minor anamoly , receiving 450,000 votes .
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 09:27 - May 7 with 1987 views | JordanFoster |
As long as a thorough interview process has been carried out with a variety of different candidates, I don't care if they then choose Ramsey. If he's the best man in their eyes then thats fine by me.
There needs to be an interview process where the shareholders can lay down a philosophy that has the clubs best interests at heart long-term and pick someone that suits that.
Because we've had all types of managers since they (TF and Co) have come in and none of them have done anything of any note. Hughes is doing wonders at Stoke and HR was the people's champion. | | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 09:50 - May 7 with 1956 views | Hooped_Pullie |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 09:27 - May 7 by JordanFoster |
As long as a thorough interview process has been carried out with a variety of different candidates, I don't care if they then choose Ramsey. If he's the best man in their eyes then thats fine by me.
There needs to be an interview process where the shareholders can lay down a philosophy that has the clubs best interests at heart long-term and pick someone that suits that.
Because we've had all types of managers since they (TF and Co) have come in and none of them have done anything of any note. Hughes is doing wonders at Stoke and HR was the people's champion. |
Sounds more sensible than what will probably happen.
On the subject of our former managers, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Redknobb, Bond & Jordan pitching up in the North East very soon.
Ashley knows now he hasn't tempted Brolly Wally, and it's just the sort of appointment he'd make.
Oh to be a Newcastle fan ! | | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:12 - May 7 with 1913 views | daveB |
The problem Ramsey will face is he already has a lot of doubters so has about 4/5 games next season before the knives come out if they are not already. A new manager would probably get 8 before we call for his head if he's lucky.
I go along with Jordan I think we should interview candidates and appoint the most impressive. If that is Ramsey then great good luck to him, if not then I'll support whoever they go for. |  | | |
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:31 - May 7 with 1881 views | PinnerPaul |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 16:58 - May 6 by Jamie |
Would snap your hand off for Allardicio. |
You must like hearing excuses then.
Injuries, referees etc etc etc, a defeat is NEVER, NEVER down to him and his team. | | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:33 - May 7 with 1879 views | TheBlob |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 09:27 - May 7 by JordanFoster |
As long as a thorough interview process has been carried out with a variety of different candidates, I don't care if they then choose Ramsey. If he's the best man in their eyes then thats fine by me.
There needs to be an interview process where the shareholders can lay down a philosophy that has the clubs best interests at heart long-term and pick someone that suits that.
Because we've had all types of managers since they (TF and Co) have come in and none of them have done anything of any note. Hughes is doing wonders at Stoke and HR was the people's champion. |
When,in your vast experience,have the shareholders(in any form of business)had a say in anything except at the AGM?
It's all down to the chairman,DOF and manager to lay down the philosophy.
And that,given the personnel involved as it stands,worries me immensely. | |
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:33 - May 7 with 1884 views | PinnerPaul |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 18:17 - May 6 by paulparker |
Total myth about him being a good coach
Not seen any evidence whatsoever to suggest that he is
Yes Phillips has played well but other than that fcuk all |
All the quotes from various players here?
His development of players at Tottenham? | | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:42 - May 7 with 1866 views | DejR_vu |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 23:37 - May 6 by daveB |
depends what you are looking for in a cv, he's not been a manager so hardly going to be full of trophies. In the roles he's had all been about developing players and picking up the best young players and he's done a pretty good job in that regard |
That CV says he has spent most of his non-playing career coaching youngsters, and I'm not even convinced anything on there is particularly impressive, 1999 apart.
I appreciate that everyone needs the first job sometime, but if he's so good why has it taken so long for it to be noticed? What have QPR seen that everybody else has missed? If he had torn a few trees up since Feb I wouldn't be so sceptical, but he hasn't. If anything he has underperformed expectations; he's lost all the games that we expected to lose and dropped points where we had a realistic chance of winning. The only result that you could argue was unexpected was WBA away. | |
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:43 - May 7 with 1864 views | RangersDave |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:12 - May 7 by daveB |
The problem Ramsey will face is he already has a lot of doubters so has about 4/5 games next season before the knives come out if they are not already. A new manager would probably get 8 before we call for his head if he's lucky.
I go along with Jordan I think we should interview candidates and appoint the most impressive. If that is Ramsey then great good luck to him, if not then I'll support whoever they go for. |
The trouble is, lose 4/5 games at the start of the season and your shot, at the bottom and low on moral.
This guy , if it is him (god no, sorry, just not experienced enough or intelligent enough with whats going on on the pitch), he needs a great pre-season with the whole team, not collect players are the pre-season is in progress as it doesnt give time for new players to bed in.
He is tactically naive and is like a wombat caught in the headlights.
And to those that say 'he has improved the team'............. most of the matches we still lost, whether we play better or not, under his 'command'. And any way you dress it up, a loss is a loss. no points for coming second in a match guys. |  |
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:48 - May 7 with 1852 views | JordanFoster |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:33 - May 7 by TheBlob |
When,in your vast experience,have the shareholders(in any form of business)had a say in anything except at the AGM?
It's all down to the chairman,DOF and manager to lay down the philosophy.
And that,given the personnel involved as it stands,worries me immensely. |
Oh patronising post, nice like that. Get a lot of that on Twitter so nice that it can branch into message boards too.
This Chairman is merely the 'face' of the group, the shareholders have far more to say than you realise. | | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:49 - May 7 with 1849 views | daveB |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:42 - May 7 by DejR_vu |
That CV says he has spent most of his non-playing career coaching youngsters, and I'm not even convinced anything on there is particularly impressive, 1999 apart.
I appreciate that everyone needs the first job sometime, but if he's so good why has it taken so long for it to be noticed? What have QPR seen that everybody else has missed? If he had torn a few trees up since Feb I wouldn't be so sceptical, but he hasn't. If anything he has underperformed expectations; he's lost all the games that we expected to lose and dropped points where we had a realistic chance of winning. The only result that you could argue was unexpected was WBA away. |
Plenty of reasons why he's not been noticed before, very rare that English coaches when they go into coaching first rather than managing ever get a chance to manage a team, if you start a youth coach you are stuck a youth coach and if you start a manager you'll never be a coach. It's very different abroad where coaches learn the job and work up into it so they know what they are doing when they get the chance. I think Warburton and Sherwood are the only British ones in the top two divisions I can think of who started as youth team coaches and became managers.
I'm not saying he's going to be great, I've got a lot of doubts about him but I do think it's harsh to judge him on this season when he came into a tough situation, faced a lot of injuries and in several games we've lost has been really unlucky not to get something from the game. | | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:52 - May 7 with 1843 views | stevec |
I'm coming round to Ramsey.
If he can spend the summer converting Karl Henry into a flying winger in the Dave Thomas mould and a spine of Under 18's built around the imposing presence of SWP, we could be onto a winner. |  | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 11:25 - May 7 with 1791 views | TheBlob |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 10:48 - May 7 by JordanFoster |
Oh patronising post, nice like that. Get a lot of that on Twitter so nice that it can branch into message boards too.
This Chairman is merely the 'face' of the group, the shareholders have far more to say than you realise. |
I was a shareholder and I never got asked about jack shit.
Patronising?Nah,would i do that to you? | |
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 11:47 - May 7 with 1750 views | Mvpeter |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 16:53 - May 6 by Northernr |
I'd be inclined to give it to him. He's a good coach who knows the situation at the club, knows the players, knows what he needs, knows what we have coming through the junior ranks, has shown a willingness to play the younger players, isn't an egotistical dickhead, fits well with the DOF, good values about how you represent the club and present yourself in training each day and so on.
The two big concerns I have (as well as lots of little ones) are...
1 - Is this hoof it long to Bobby, play four centre halves across the back four, play Karl Henry at left wing stuff simply a man working with what he's got? Or would he, next season, given the chance to make his own signings, simply go out and get another Bobby Zamora, another central midfielder for the left wing, another load of centre backs for full back etc? Because I can quite happily pitch a tent in Aidy Boothroyd's back garden a lot cheaper than buying a QPR season ticket if I want to watch that sort of monotonous sht for a full season.
2 - Are the things I like about him - solid coaching, giving youngsters a chance, representing the club well, speaking well, scouting future opponents, holding the players to high standards in training etc - just basic stuff that any manager would bring. Is it simply that two years of Harry fcking Redknapp sticking his head out of the portacabin every now and again to ask Bondy where he's put the red sauce has made even the very, very basics of modern day football management and coaching look like some unattainable, exotic dream to us at QPR?
Like I say, head says give it to Ramsey and let's see. Heart says give it to Clement, if only because I'd be excited. I haven't been excited about QPR, or football in general, for years now. |
2 is exactly the reason we shouldn't give it to him. Despite his fully understandable failure, he's impressed many including me by simply doing basic football things, things that even youth coaches are aware of. This also explains his greatest strength, the players are behind him. Of course they've responded to basic management techniques as opposed to Redknapps active 'how can I hurt the team' style.
Any manager will offer this with the added advantage of being a manager. Not a youth coach working in competitive football for the first time in 15 years. | |
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 12:00 - May 7 with 1716 views | JordanFoster |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 11:25 - May 7 by TheBlob |
I was a shareholder and I never got asked about jack shit.
Patronising?Nah,would i do that to you? |
Sorry I meant major shareholder in my post. | | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 12:13 - May 7 with 1699 views | TheBlob |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 12:00 - May 7 by JordanFoster |
Sorry I meant major shareholder in my post. |
Well that's the problem of a chairman with a major shareholding.The voices of the minority are but yodelling into a canyon. | |
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 12:21 - May 7 with 1680 views | loftus77 |
Sadly, I agree with many on here — its a big and absolute NO to Chris Ramsey from me.
As said before, nothing against the guy at all — all the evidence points to a thoroughly decent coach who would be a highly effective No.2 (developing squad players and youth talent) at a Championship, or even Premier League, club.
But we’re talking about our manager here — someone who could deal with being the frontman for our club, giving the team a vision and driving it forward tactically in the Championship - the 4th best league in the world (according to some).
I have seen nothing whatsoever since January to suggest that CR is that man. Maybe he should cut his managerial teeth in the hot-seat at a League Two club first (no easy task) and gain the necessary experience that way?
Dream ticket for me, would be Mark Warburton as manager with Chris Ramsey as coach/assistant manager. | | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 12:42 - May 7 with 1649 views | CamberleyR |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 19:25 - May 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
"What they need to do is clear the decks of the players that have been content to sit on the bench (or not even make it) while still shamelessly picking up their unjustifiably fat wage packets."
"No player coming into QPR this summer will get anything like the kind of salary that some of the wasters over the last five years have enjoyed."
How does he know? Has he seen their payslips? Pure supposition of players salaries.  |
"How does he know? Has he seen their payslips?"
Spirit Of Gregory told him. |  |
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 12:50 - May 7 with 1629 views | bob566 |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 12:21 - May 7 by loftus77 |
Sadly, I agree with many on here — its a big and absolute NO to Chris Ramsey from me.
As said before, nothing against the guy at all — all the evidence points to a thoroughly decent coach who would be a highly effective No.2 (developing squad players and youth talent) at a Championship, or even Premier League, club.
But we’re talking about our manager here — someone who could deal with being the frontman for our club, giving the team a vision and driving it forward tactically in the Championship - the 4th best league in the world (according to some).
I have seen nothing whatsoever since January to suggest that CR is that man. Maybe he should cut his managerial teeth in the hot-seat at a League Two club first (no easy task) and gain the necessary experience that way?
Dream ticket for me, would be Mark Warburton as manager with Chris Ramsey as coach/assistant manager. |
4th best league in the world. Really. Assuming ze germans and spanish are one and two with the premiership a mere 3rd did the italian, portuguese and french leagues dissappear? Theres half a dozen turkish teams that would p*** on most competition in the championship. | | | |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 13:03 - May 7 with 1592 views | Gloucs_R |
| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 12:50 - May 7 by bob566 |
4th best league in the world. Really. Assuming ze germans and spanish are one and two with the premiership a mere 3rd did the italian, portuguese and french leagues dissappear? Theres half a dozen turkish teams that would p*** on most competition in the championship. |
I think its the 4th best supported league in the world. |  |
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| Chris Ramsey two year deal? on 13:20 - May 7 with 1634 views | PBLOCK |
It's a 'no' from me. I think Ramsey has had a tough time of it after Harry hobbled off into the sunset. I do think he has made us a bit more competitive and to a point we can bemoan a bit of bad luck. The Spurs game, hitting the woodwork vs Everton but ultimately we have shot ourselves in the foot time after time. Missed Pens, late goals conceded, stupid sendings off and an overall the lack of quality has seen us come up short.
There are a lot of players out of contract in the summer, and some will be looking to move on. There is a big job at Rangers over the next few years and personally I don't think Ramsey is the man to oversee it. Keep him at the club without doubt in order to sort out the problems within the academy and a host of other things but I don't think he is the man to run the thing.
The board have a problem. They will want to be back in the Prem quickly as the Gravy train keeps on rolling in terms of TV money etc they can't not afford a quick return. It worked out ok last time but if we fail to get back up pretty quickly then it will be interesting to see what they do.
They need to wait until the season is over get a proper idea of what is required and get someone in to do it. There could be some good managers becoming available in the summer and we need to do a thorough process not just give it to Ramsey because he's a nice bloke.
Personally if Allardyce was available in the summer he would be a strong contender for me. His record at getting clubs to the Prem is decent, the other thing is that once there they tend to stay there. Allardyce is by no means perfect but he might just be the sort of Manager we need right now, in a similar way we needed someone like Warnock at the time. | | | |
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