| The Bible and Christianity nailed 19:32 - Jul 11 with 22030 views | epaul |
Brilliant account
https://twitter.com/antibible_t |  |
| The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 18:29 - Aug 2 with 2171 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 18:16 - Aug 2 by Brynmill_Jack |
ECB is no c*nt, he's just a tolerant man who believes in live and let live. Unlike you.
Your a modern day Atheist version of Saul of Tarsus, hell bent on proving your viewpoint is the only correct view and persecuting anyone who'd dare disagree. Religion can be repudiated by any child who reaches adulthood and if there really is no God why can't you just be satisfied that you're right instead of playing the self righteous card all of the time?
Your self image is clearly very important to you. |
If you hadn't guessed - I don't really think he's a c*nt. Instead he was coming across as one in his responses.
Unlike you based on your response. Proving my viewpoint? You've only got to open your eyes and actually do a little research into something to see where i'm coming from. Am I unreasonable for despising an institution that hides child abuse! Am I unreasonable in hating an institution that pushes creationism and other stories based on myth on to children as fact? Am I unreasonable in disliking something that brings a false sense of good to people, and detracting away from their own sense of humanity!?
So I'm self righteous?! You come to an atheist thread and start shouting down atheists? What good deeds have you done recently? Why am I even bothering to respond to your inane post when i've already answered your points (and your clearly haven't read them). |  |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 20:04 - Aug 2 with 2157 views | keeponrockin |
Would epaul have posted this if it had been about the Quran? [Post edited 2 Aug 2014 20:06]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 20:14 - Aug 2 with 2152 views | keeponrockin |
Bored sh1tless of this anti religious nonsense,
Some of the worst atrocities in human history have been carried out by people of no religion e.g. Soviet Union.
Are you really scared by God fearing C of E goers? Really? Those horrible people who work hard go to Church on a weekend, those 'orrible gits.
No doubt you'll come back with the 'bigoted' blah blah nonsense. As if all non religious people are pro gay, peace loving folk.
I know many muslims and they're fantastic people - who by religious law have to help the poor for instance. If you follow the basics love one another, forgiveness, peace, thou shalt not kill etc then the World would be a better place. It's not books, it's people.
Why do you think Marxism only looks good on paper? | | | |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 20:26 - Aug 2 with 2119 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 20:14 - Aug 2 by keeponrockin |
Bored sh1tless of this anti religious nonsense,
Some of the worst atrocities in human history have been carried out by people of no religion e.g. Soviet Union.
Are you really scared by God fearing C of E goers? Really? Those horrible people who work hard go to Church on a weekend, those 'orrible gits.
No doubt you'll come back with the 'bigoted' blah blah nonsense. As if all non religious people are pro gay, peace loving folk.
I know many muslims and they're fantastic people - who by religious law have to help the poor for instance. If you follow the basics love one another, forgiveness, peace, thou shalt not kill etc then the World would be a better place. It's not books, it's people.
Why do you think Marxism only looks good on paper? |
You clearly haven't read anything here, so go away if it is that boring to you!! | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:14 - Aug 3 with 2094 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 18:29 - Aug 2 by JackoBoostardo |
If you hadn't guessed - I don't really think he's a c*nt. Instead he was coming across as one in his responses.
Unlike you based on your response. Proving my viewpoint? You've only got to open your eyes and actually do a little research into something to see where i'm coming from. Am I unreasonable for despising an institution that hides child abuse! Am I unreasonable in hating an institution that pushes creationism and other stories based on myth on to children as fact? Am I unreasonable in disliking something that brings a false sense of good to people, and detracting away from their own sense of humanity!?
So I'm self righteous?! You come to an atheist thread and start shouting down atheists? What good deeds have you done recently? Why am I even bothering to respond to your inane post when i've already answered your points (and your clearly haven't read them). |
I had guessed that, I was just pointing out your need to use such a term to prove your points (or emphasize them if that's more acceptable to you).
More than one poster has already pointed out to you that child abuse (as horrible and sickening as it is) exists in far more organizations than religious ones (and in any case it's mostly it is done by close family members or extended family than by people outside) but you know better, don't you.
For what it's worth I'd hazard a guess that you're either in your late teens or early to mid twenties so maybe you know less than you think you do. You go on about creationism in Christianity like everyone thinks the universe and everything else was created in seven 24 hr days when everyone (barring some Pentecostalists and other extreme Protestant organizations) knows that's f*cking impossible.
But you go on mate and keep smugly slapping yourself on the back telling yourself how right you are and how wrong other people are. You come across as intolerant as they come , and far more judgmental than any Christian I've ever met . |  |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:16 - Aug 3 with 2091 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:14 - Aug 3 by Brynmill_Jack |
I had guessed that, I was just pointing out your need to use such a term to prove your points (or emphasize them if that's more acceptable to you).
More than one poster has already pointed out to you that child abuse (as horrible and sickening as it is) exists in far more organizations than religious ones (and in any case it's mostly it is done by close family members or extended family than by people outside) but you know better, don't you.
For what it's worth I'd hazard a guess that you're either in your late teens or early to mid twenties so maybe you know less than you think you do. You go on about creationism in Christianity like everyone thinks the universe and everything else was created in seven 24 hr days when everyone (barring some Pentecostalists and other extreme Protestant organizations) knows that's f*cking impossible.
But you go on mate and keep smugly slapping yourself on the back telling yourself how right you are and how wrong other people are. You come across as intolerant as they come , and far more judgmental than any Christian I've ever met . |
Last sentence is exactly the point I was trying to make yesterday. He seemed to get awfully upset about the word "zealot" though. Which in my opinion is a perfectly apt description. |  |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:24 - Aug 3 with 2083 views | Cottsy |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:14 - Aug 3 by Brynmill_Jack |
I had guessed that, I was just pointing out your need to use such a term to prove your points (or emphasize them if that's more acceptable to you).
More than one poster has already pointed out to you that child abuse (as horrible and sickening as it is) exists in far more organizations than religious ones (and in any case it's mostly it is done by close family members or extended family than by people outside) but you know better, don't you.
For what it's worth I'd hazard a guess that you're either in your late teens or early to mid twenties so maybe you know less than you think you do. You go on about creationism in Christianity like everyone thinks the universe and everything else was created in seven 24 hr days when everyone (barring some Pentecostalists and other extreme Protestant organizations) knows that's f*cking impossible.
But you go on mate and keep smugly slapping yourself on the back telling yourself how right you are and how wrong other people are. You come across as intolerant as they come , and far more judgmental than any Christian I've ever met . |
"You go on about creationism in Christianity like everyone thinks the universe and everything else was created in seven 24 hr days when everyone (barring some Pentecostalists and other extreme Protestant organizations) knows that's f*cking impossible."
Really? Creationism is the reserve of a few Pentecostalists and extreme Protestants?
Okay then. |  |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:32 - Aug 3 with 2080 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:16 - Aug 3 by exiledclaseboy |
Last sentence is exactly the point I was trying to make yesterday. He seemed to get awfully upset about the word "zealot" though. Which in my opinion is a perfectly apt description. |
Why can't people just live and let live without all this revolting disdain for anything they're not interested in or believe in? I was genuinely quite shocked at the level of rabid vitriol that's come out in this thread and I've only read a couple of pages!
I find it all remarkably insulting to my personal private beliefs. Hideous in fact.
Bloody hell, it's like the beginnings of the Nazi policies towards the Jews, that started as finger pointing and name calling and look what happened there. Or the pogroms that Stalin perpetuated. Scary stuff Clasie , and all for something that can't reasonably be proven without doubt one way or the other. The Hadron collider experiment in which the so called "God particle" was hopeful of being found has since discovered that another vital particle is missing . So another scientific dead end. Einstein's theory of relativity has also been binned. I await the next scientific installment with..........no great expectations at all , really. | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:21 - Aug 3 with 2061 views | Cottsy |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:32 - Aug 3 by Brynmill_Jack |
Why can't people just live and let live without all this revolting disdain for anything they're not interested in or believe in? I was genuinely quite shocked at the level of rabid vitriol that's come out in this thread and I've only read a couple of pages!
I find it all remarkably insulting to my personal private beliefs. Hideous in fact.
Bloody hell, it's like the beginnings of the Nazi policies towards the Jews, that started as finger pointing and name calling and look what happened there. Or the pogroms that Stalin perpetuated. Scary stuff Clasie , and all for something that can't reasonably be proven without doubt one way or the other. The Hadron collider experiment in which the so called "God particle" was hopeful of being found has since discovered that another vital particle is missing . So another scientific dead end. Einstein's theory of relativity has also been binned. I await the next scientific installment with..........no great expectations at all , really. |
And the 2014 Hyperbole award goes to...
And FYI there isn't a scientific 'dead end' at the LHC nor has the Theory of Relativity, Special or General, been binned.
Unless you have some new information that you're going to publish in which case can I be the first to congratulate you on your Nobel Prize. | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:38 - Aug 3 with 2052 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:21 - Aug 3 by Cottsy |
And the 2014 Hyperbole award goes to...
And FYI there isn't a scientific 'dead end' at the LHC nor has the Theory of Relativity, Special or General, been binned.
Unless you have some new information that you're going to publish in which case can I be the first to congratulate you on your Nobel Prize. |
Why thanks.
And if you're looking for hyperbole, start at page one. | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 14:08 - Aug 3 with 2005 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:32 - Aug 3 by Brynmill_Jack |
Why can't people just live and let live without all this revolting disdain for anything they're not interested in or believe in? I was genuinely quite shocked at the level of rabid vitriol that's come out in this thread and I've only read a couple of pages!
I find it all remarkably insulting to my personal private beliefs. Hideous in fact.
Bloody hell, it's like the beginnings of the Nazi policies towards the Jews, that started as finger pointing and name calling and look what happened there. Or the pogroms that Stalin perpetuated. Scary stuff Clasie , and all for something that can't reasonably be proven without doubt one way or the other. The Hadron collider experiment in which the so called "God particle" was hopeful of being found has since discovered that another vital particle is missing . So another scientific dead end. Einstein's theory of relativity has also been binned. I await the next scientific installment with..........no great expectations at all , really. |
Live and let live you say? ... cool story bro!
Because religion is doing such a top job isn't it!
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 18:09 - Aug 3 with 1990 views | C_jack |
Past the local church as they were coming out of service this morning. Thought the vengeful bastards were going to lynch me and burn me in the town square for being a heretic. Thankfully I survived this time.
The 'atheist thread' remark brought a large guffaw from me as well. |  |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 18:13 - Aug 3 with 1962 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 18:09 - Aug 3 by C_jack |
Past the local church as they were coming out of service this morning. Thought the vengeful bastards were going to lynch me and burn me in the town square for being a heretic. Thankfully I survived this time.
The 'atheist thread' remark brought a large guffaw from me as well. |
Yet you provide no counter argument other than the crap you've just posted?
Keep it up - you're single handedly proving that evolution can go backwards for some! | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 18:36 - Aug 3 with 1983 views | C_jack |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 18:13 - Aug 3 by JackoBoostardo |
Yet you provide no counter argument other than the crap you've just posted?
Keep it up - you're single handedly proving that evolution can go backwards for some! |
I've provided extensive examples, but like any extremist, you refuse to acknowledge anything outside of your own tunnel-visioned viewpoint.
You and the likes of Abu Qatada are two peas in a pod. | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 18:40 - Aug 3 with 1978 views | keeponrockin |
The intolerance of modern day atheists really is a site to behold at times.
You know you lefties who bang on about food banks - who do you think is providing these services overwhelmingly?
Truly horrible stuff:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pope-francis-issues-top-10-tips-for-hap
Why do you feel the need to be hateful - what does it achieve?
Maybe you need a bit of Christ in your life and you'd be a bit happier. Just a thought. | | | |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 19:41 - Aug 3 with 1937 views | Drizzle |
9. Don't proselytise; respect others' beliefs. “We can inspire others through witness so that one grows together in communicating. But the worst thing of all is religious proselytism, which paralyses: 'I am talking with you in order to persuade you,' No. Each person dialogues, starting with his and her own identity. The church grows by attraction, not proselytising,” the Pope said. |  | | |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 20:15 - Aug 3 with 1908 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 18:40 - Aug 3 by keeponrockin |
The intolerance of modern day atheists really is a site to behold at times.
You know you lefties who bang on about food banks - who do you think is providing these services overwhelmingly?
Truly horrible stuff:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pope-francis-issues-top-10-tips-for-hap
Why do you feel the need to be hateful - what does it achieve?
Maybe you need a bit of Christ in your life and you'd be a bit happier. Just a thought. |
You clearly haven't read the posts then!
Top 10 tips for happiness? Try running through that list with people in Africa who have caught HIV due to them being told they can't use condoms. Or how about the family of people who have been killed as they have criticised a god (or drawn mohammed).
Your counter arguments are groundless.
And you argue intolerance. Well excuse me if my sense of logic and reasoning is in someway makes you sensitive. You see, for 100's of years atheists and people who do not believe in god have had this religious crap rammed down our throats. Yet we're the insensitive ones! The next time it's claimed I'm not a good person because I'm godless (as has been claimed in this thread oddly enough) and the next time any other religious bigoted diatribe is aimed in my direction - I'm expected to accept it again right, as religion is completely tolerant of others?
If atheism offends anyone, then it's only because we're offended by lies.
And thanks for the offer of accepting Christ in my life. However, I prefer to keep a little realism in my life and would rather not have an imaginary friend. | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 22:08 - Aug 3 with 1875 views | C_jack |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 20:15 - Aug 3 by JackoBoostardo |
You clearly haven't read the posts then!
Top 10 tips for happiness? Try running through that list with people in Africa who have caught HIV due to them being told they can't use condoms. Or how about the family of people who have been killed as they have criticised a god (or drawn mohammed).
Your counter arguments are groundless.
And you argue intolerance. Well excuse me if my sense of logic and reasoning is in someway makes you sensitive. You see, for 100's of years atheists and people who do not believe in god have had this religious crap rammed down our throats. Yet we're the insensitive ones! The next time it's claimed I'm not a good person because I'm godless (as has been claimed in this thread oddly enough) and the next time any other religious bigoted diatribe is aimed in my direction - I'm expected to accept it again right, as religion is completely tolerant of others?
If atheism offends anyone, then it's only because we're offended by lies.
And thanks for the offer of accepting Christ in my life. However, I prefer to keep a little realism in my life and would rather not have an imaginary friend. |
Are you honestly trying to say that 75 million people in Africa have aids because religion told them they couldn't use a condom? Goodness gracious me.
The poor sods are dying from starvation every day, I don't think the local vicar was the reason the epidemic swept the way it did. | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 22:21 - Aug 3 with 1865 views | Drizzle |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 22:08 - Aug 3 by C_jack |
Are you honestly trying to say that 75 million people in Africa have aids because religion told them they couldn't use a condom? Goodness gracious me.
The poor sods are dying from starvation every day, I don't think the local vicar was the reason the epidemic swept the way it did. |
Yes. All those primates would have prevented the spread of the disease if only they hadn't lived in christ. How was the church responsible for the transmission of hiv to humans I wonder? [Post edited 3 Aug 2014 22:23]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 09:17 - Aug 4 with 1801 views | Cottsy |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 18:40 - Aug 3 by keeponrockin |
The intolerance of modern day atheists really is a site to behold at times.
You know you lefties who bang on about food banks - who do you think is providing these services overwhelmingly?
Truly horrible stuff:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/pope-francis-issues-top-10-tips-for-hap
Why do you feel the need to be hateful - what does it achieve?
Maybe you need a bit of Christ in your life and you'd be a bit happier. Just a thought. |
LOL at rockin referencing Pope Francis
"Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting." | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:40 - Aug 8 with 1693 views | epaul |
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/blog/casperrigsby/bible-nutshell-part-1-3
Forward
What I'm going to offer here is a bit of blasphemy, or at least in the eyes of Christians it is. This is the story of the bible broken down into sheer simplicity. Broken down and simplified in this manner it becomes abundantly apparent just how ridiculous the whole thing is. I hope you enjoy.
In The Beginning
In an alternate dimension outside of space and time lives the most powerful wizard ever known. He's so powerful that he can speak things into existence. One day he is sitting around bored and thinks, "Let me make myself some other beings that can bask in the glory of how awesome I am." So he spent six days thinking and speaking the whole universe and everything in it into existence. Then he took a nap, because that was a lot of talking to do.
One of the many things the wizard, let's call him The Wiz, created was people. He made people extra special out of dirt like a mud golem to look and think like him. Basically like little The Wiz dolls. But at first it's just this one dude named Adam and he's very lonely and bored. So The Wiz rips out one of Adam's ribs and says, "Alakadabra!" and the rib turns into another person. But this person has nipples that actually serve a purpose.
So The Wiz sets these two up with a sweet little place in a garden with everything they could ever need and then says, "Oh, by the way, I created a tree in that garden that will kill you. Just to spice things up a bit, ya know. Don't eat the fruit off that tree."
Well one day a talking snake shows up and sees the person with the functioning nipples, her name was Eve, and says, "You simply must try the fruit on that one tree! It's divine!" So she does and she shares it with Adam because it's very tasty and instead of dying they just get smarter and notice they're naked. So they hide when The Wiz comes back around, because of being naked and all, and The Wiz immediately knows something is wrong. So he says, "What the f*ck guys? I told you not to eat that fruit. Now I'm going to have to kick you out of the garden."
So they get kicked out and The Wiz is double p*ssed at Eve so he makes her menstruate and makes childbirth really painful for her. They have two boys named Cain and Abel, which end up fighting because The Wiz likes meat better than vegetables and Cain kills Abel. So The Wiz sends Cain to live in some weird land called Nod and he finds a wife there and does his thing. In the meantime, Adam and Eve have many more children and a couple thousand years go by in which the earth fills up with people.
When it Rains it Pours
Now it's thousands of years later and for some reason no one is worshipping The Wiz, which really makes him angry since he made these people specifically to glorify himself. There's this one guy named Noah though who still thinks The Wiz is super awesome. So The Wiz tells Noah, "Build a big boat and put two of every animal on the boat along with your family because I'm fixing to drown all these other aholes." Noah builds the boat and the animals come. He packs up his family and then The Wiz sets about flooding the whole world and drowning everyone. POOF - now you're a corpse. Neat trick.
After about a month and a half, once The Wiz was sure everyone was good and dead, he makes the flood waters recede some and Noah sends a dove who fetches a branch from a tree that somehow withstood the torrential floods and let's Noah know there is land ho. Noah lands the boat on a mountain, because screw you physics, he's got a wizard for a bff. Then The Wiz pops a rainbow into the sky and tells Noah that this is a sign that he won't murder everyone in that particular fashion again, because The Wiz likes to keep you guessing.
So Noah and his family repopulate the earth (let's try to gloss over the incest part). Eventually this guy Abraham comes on the scene and The Wiz really takes a liking to this dude. The Wiz tells Abraham that he's doing a super awesome job worshipping The Wiz, but unfortunately Abraham is going to need to murder his son Isaac because The Wiz likes blood. Abraham says, "Sure thing", and proceeds to carry this out. At the last minute The Wiz sends one of his personal minions to stop Abraham and tell him that The Wiz was just pranking him. Haha! Almost made you kill your kid!
Turn by Turn Mis-navigation
So we flash forward a bit more and one of Abraham's descendants named Moses gets tossed in a basket and thrown into a river. He floats to Egypt and gets found by some of pharaoh's folks who think he's cute and adopt him. But it turns out that Pharaoh has captured all the descendants of Abraham called the Jews and enslaved them. When Moses grows up and realizes he's a Jew, The Wiz tells him that Pharaoh needs to let these people go. The Wiz tells Moses to go to Pharaoh and ask him to release the Jews, but when Moses does this The Wiz has put Pharaoh under hypnosis or something and Pharaoh refuses. So The Wiz sends plagues and murders all the firstborn in Egypt to teach Pharaoh not to fall for The Wiz using magic to make him intentionally obstinate.
Eventually Moses gets all the Jews out of Egypt, but Pharaoh sends troops after them. They get to the Red Sea and they're stuck, but then Moses says, "The Wiz taught me a trick" and he pounds a walking stick on the ground. The sea splits in two and all the Jews walk over to the other side. The Egyptian troops try to follow them and The Wiz makes the sea fall back on them and drown them. POOF - now you're a corpse. (That trick is getting old)
So now Moses and the Jews are free and The Wiz tells them he has a special place for them to live. But before they can get there Moses has a one on one with The Wiz and is given a bunch of rules for how to properly worship The Wiz. When Moses goes to tell all the Jews the new rules, they've made a cow out of gold and are worshipping it.... because hamburgers!
Moses gets all huffy and throws down the rocks he wrote the rules on and breaks them. The Wiz is pretty peeved about the whole cow worship thing too so he makes everyone confused about how to walk a straight line and causes them to wander around on like 40 acres of desert for 40 years. They finally find the place they're supposed to live but Moses doesn't get to live there because The Wiz is fickle like that.
To Be Continued...
So that basically wraps up the old testament and the whole Jewish thing. In the next segment I'll break down the new testament and the story of this Jesus fellow. | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:20 - Aug 8 with 1685 views | DDCH |
On the plus side...
I met some Mormon missionaries this morning.....very nice chaps they were too. [Post edited 8 Aug 2014 11:21]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:03 - Aug 8 with 1665 views | Batterseajack |
So the conclusion of this thread is that if you dilute Christianity and take out all the magical things, clearly made up stuff and outdated guff then cherry pick any good bits left over, then its not so bad after all. I guess that's fine, if people want to delude themselves into believing it and it makes them happy, then immerse yourself in it.
I don't however think Christianity has ever lead the way in good behaviour and social morality. It's hardly paved the way for better social equality for women's rights, ethnic rights and gays. In fact, it's always seems to be dragging its heals over these issues, before playing catch up to appear relevant in modern society. | | | |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:05 - Aug 8 with 1658 views | Batterseajack |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:03 - Aug 8 by Batterseajack |
So the conclusion of this thread is that if you dilute Christianity and take out all the magical things, clearly made up stuff and outdated guff then cherry pick any good bits left over, then its not so bad after all. I guess that's fine, if people want to delude themselves into believing it and it makes them happy, then immerse yourself in it.
I don't however think Christianity has ever lead the way in good behaviour and social morality. It's hardly paved the way for better social equality for women's rights, ethnic rights and gays. In fact, it's always seems to be dragging its heals over these issues, before playing catch up to appear relevant in modern society. |
Oh shit, i thought i was replying to Davs thread ^^ | | | |
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