| Hughes' tactics? 11:58 - May 1 with 1249 views | QPunkR |
Right, this is a genuine question RE: Sunday.
Do we think it was Hughes' tactics or just our players running out of ideas that was the reason that every single time Ferdinand got the ball he looked to pump it long onto Bobby Z's bonce?
I lost count at 13 long balls attempted, 1 successfully.
The lazy blob up front was out-jumped by a succession of smaller stand-in defenders, it'd be hilarious if I hadn't been so filled with murderous rage..  |  |
| |  |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:01 - May 1 with 1238 views | daveB |
tactics had little to do with the defeat, the gameplan was to keep it tight, frustrate them and try and nick one on the break, when they scored after 40 seconds that plan was ripped up and the confidence went. A real lack of movement in midfield where Taarabt always shows for the ball, we missed him and the only option was route one and an easy header out for Terry every time. For me the blame lies 100% with the players, they were given jobs to do and didn't do them.
I wouldn't blame Hughes for Sunday, many were calling for him to play Cisse on the left at Spurs last week let alone Sunday. |  | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:03 - May 1 with 1230 views | QPunkR |
No I know. I didn't mean to question Hughes' tactics for the whole game (that's a story for another day), I was just talking about Ferdinand's lofted ball to whoever was marking Bobby Z every time.
Was he told to do that or did he just genuinely think it was a good idea? | |
| |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:11 - May 1 with 1205 views | Tizzer |
I thought Buzz was an odd selection as he doesn't have the pace or energy to do a largely defensive role. I thought starting with Traore would have been better.
Its very difficult to win away in the prem of course but the stats don't lie; Hughes away record with us is terrible. I just don't think he knows how to set us up to get points.
Ultimately it will be his fault if we go down as we have better players than at least three other teams and the reason for us being relegated will be our away form.
That has to mean his tactics away are not up to it in my view.
|  | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:13 - May 1 with 1192 views | smegma |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:01 - May 1 by daveB |
tactics had little to do with the defeat, the gameplan was to keep it tight, frustrate them and try and nick one on the break, when they scored after 40 seconds that plan was ripped up and the confidence went. A real lack of movement in midfield where Taarabt always shows for the ball, we missed him and the only option was route one and an easy header out for Terry every time. For me the blame lies 100% with the players, they were given jobs to do and didn't do them.
I wouldn't blame Hughes for Sunday, many were calling for him to play Cisse on the left at Spurs last week let alone Sunday. |
The two biggest problems was Cisse playing left mid when we had Traore on the bench. The other problem was we don't have a Plan B it seems. |  | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:14 - May 1 with 1190 views | Northernr |
Neil will have his chalkboard out again tonight, watch out for that article... |  | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:14 - May 1 with 1187 views | DANRANGER |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:03 - May 1 by QPunkR |
No I know. I didn't mean to question Hughes' tactics for the whole game (that's a story for another day), I was just talking about Ferdinand's lofted ball to whoever was marking Bobby Z every time.
Was he told to do that or did he just genuinely think it was a good idea? |
The Ferdinand's are renowned for their continued attempts at long passing but in this instance I feel the midfield were not brave enough to take possession from him so he had little choice. All round poor effort and tactics do not come into it if the players lack the effort required to compete with a team in the CL final having just beaten the so called best side ever.
Best forget and get the 3 points on Sat and see where it leaves us. |  | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:18 - May 1 with 1174 views | daveB |
i'd have played Traore on the left but judging by his walks back when Chelsea were on the attack and the moment when Lampard was clean through on the right with Taiwo sprinting back and Traore was just stood with his hands on his hips watching from the halfway line, it may not have made any difference
i don't think we can blame one man if we go down, we were hardly flying when Hughes took over, it's been collective mistakes all season | | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:23 - May 1 with 1153 views | Stanisgod |
Hindsight is wonderful but perhaps SWP on one side, Mackie the other and Cisse where he was supposed to be, alongside Zamora. |  |
| It's being so happy that keeps me going. |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:24 - May 1 with 1149 views | westberksr |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:14 - May 1 by DANRANGER |
The Ferdinand's are renowned for their continued attempts at long passing but in this instance I feel the midfield were not brave enough to take possession from him so he had little choice. All round poor effort and tactics do not come into it if the players lack the effort required to compete with a team in the CL final having just beaten the so called best side ever.
Best forget and get the 3 points on Sat and see where it leaves us. |
tend to agree as one thing you get with both Taarabt & Diakite is an open pass out of defence. Both always look for the ball continuously.
Traore might have been a better LM shout but I also wanted Cisse on the pitch but couldn't see a 442 living with the scum. After 15 minutes when the Cisse LM was obviously not working it was too late to do anything about it |  | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:25 - May 1 with 1148 views | QPunkR |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:23 - May 1 by Stanisgod |
Hindsight is wonderful but perhaps SWP on one side, Mackie the other and Cisse where he was supposed to be, alongside Zamora. |
No no no, no Sheidt-Phillips in the team. No. | |
| |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:41 - May 1 with 1098 views | QPR_Jim |
With the use of hindsight it is clear that 4-5-1 was our best shot, if we conceded 4 in the first half with a five man midfield it is obvious that a 4 man midfield would have suffered as bad if not worse. So I think Hughes got that one right.
I’ve been wondering if there is a way, knowing what we know now, that the team could have been set up to deal with a buoyant Chelsea team. My only solution (and I’m not saying it would have worked) would be to play Young at right back, move Onuoha in front of the back four to replace Diakite and to play Tommy Smith instead of Cisse.
----------------Kenny
Young--- Anton --- Hill --- Tiawo
---------------Onuoha
----------Barton --- Derry
Mackie----------------------Smith
--------------Zamora
I think Onuoha's athleticism would have helped to replace Diakite and Young would be solid cover for him at RB. While Smith is solid if not spectacular and can always be replaced by Traore if we needed more on the break. I think the above team would have had a better chance of coming in at half time 0-0 and getting the Chelsea fans on their backs, giving us a base to push on from. But as I say this is all hindsight, I genuinly thought Chelsea would struggle in defence so would never have suggested that line up prior to the match. |  | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 13:24 - May 1 with 1038 views | Juzzie |
It was mentioned on another thread but it seems we just don't have the ability to deal with going a goal behind. How many games have we won this season from going behind? I can think of two, Stoke & Liverpool.
Last season was the same, any of the games we went behind first we either lost or drew, not one became a victory that I can recall. And that's from a Championship title winning team.
|  | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 13:32 - May 1 with 1010 views | gazza1 |
Not sure what tactics we played on Sunday.....with so many poor, poor performances it really did not matter what tactics where employed. | | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 13:32 - May 1 with 1012 views | smegma |
| Hughes' tactics? on 13:24 - May 1 by Juzzie |
It was mentioned on another thread but it seems we just don't have the ability to deal with going a goal behind. How many games have we won this season from going behind? I can think of two, Stoke & Liverpool.
Last season was the same, any of the games we went behind first we either lost or drew, not one became a victory that I can recall. And that's from a Championship title winning team.
|
Good point but we went a goal down to Cardiff in both games. | | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 13:32 - May 1 with 1012 views | Monahoop |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:18 - May 1 by daveB |
i'd have played Traore on the left but judging by his walks back when Chelsea were on the attack and the moment when Lampard was clean through on the right with Taiwo sprinting back and Traore was just stood with his hands on his hips watching from the halfway line, it may not have made any difference
i don't think we can blame one man if we go down, we were hardly flying when Hughes took over, it's been collective mistakes all season |
" it's been collective mistakes all season."
You're bang on with that statement Dave. |  |
| There aint half been some clever bastards. |
| |
| Hughes' tactics? on 14:17 - May 1 with 960 views | London_Pride |
1) Firstly its down to the players. Whatever the formation, they were a shambles, playing without confidence, competence or passion. Clive's match report sums it up much better than I can.
2) The loss of Diakite was huge. He is the only cental midfielder we have with any pace. However, as mentioned above, either SWP or Traore were better options than Buz.
3) When Taraabt plays on the left, he also regularly comes inside to link up with Zamora or takeover the central striker role - as in his goal against Arsenal. Cisse just stuck to the left wing despite the fact that he was obviously p*ssed off being there. It left Zamora totally isolated. It can only have been Hughes' instructions.
4) The state of the pitch and the Chelsea weaked defence meant that this was a real opportunity to get at them through the middle which required 4-4-2. We were always going to need to play a lot of long safety first clearances - at least with Zamora and Cisse up front they could have put the Chelsea defence under pressure or held the ball up occasionally.
I am not rubbishing Hughes because I think thast most his decisions since arriving have been spot on but given the fact that his coaching team are supposed to be very good at analyising the opposition I can not understand the what the strategy was meant to be on Sunday or why they didn't change it in the first half when it was obviously not working.
|  | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 14:31 - May 1 with 943 views | daveB |
| Hughes' tactics? on 13:24 - May 1 by Juzzie |
It was mentioned on another thread but it seems we just don't have the ability to deal with going a goal behind. How many games have we won this season from going behind? I can think of two, Stoke & Liverpool.
Last season was the same, any of the games we went behind first we either lost or drew, not one became a victory that I can recall. And that's from a Championship title winning team.
|
to be fair it was pretty rare that we went a goal behind with the first goal last season, think it only happened 4 times at home, we won 2 (Cardiff, Coventry) drew 1 (Bristol City) and lost 1 (Watford) | | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 14:38 - May 1 with 930 views | Stanisgod |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:25 - May 1 by QPunkR |
No no no, no Sheidt-Phillips in the team. No. |
I know, but I'm desperate !!! | |
| It's being so happy that keeps me going. |
| |
| Hughes' tactics? on 14:52 - May 1 with 907 views | Juzzie |
| Hughes' tactics? on 13:32 - May 1 by smegma |
Good point but we went a goal down to Cardiff in both games. |
Ah, Cardif at home! Yes we won 2-1 in the end. Cardiff away was a draw though (I'm refering to games we won from going behind) and we drew and lost quite a few from going behind, more than we won.
| | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 15:05 - May 1 with 892 views | timcocking |
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
We're in deep sh!t. |  | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 16:07 - May 1 with 860 views | W7Ranger |
| Hughes' tactics? on 14:52 - May 1 by Juzzie |
Ah, Cardif at home! Yes we won 2-1 in the end. Cardiff away was a draw though (I'm refering to games we won from going behind) and we drew and lost quite a few from going behind, more than we won.
|
Don't think we went behind in that many games last season tho' to be fair. We took the lead in probably 2/3's of matches last season and went on to win them.
|  | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 17:05 - May 1 with 801 views | baz_qpr |
| Hughes' tactics? on 12:03 - May 1 by QPunkR |
No I know. I didn't mean to question Hughes' tactics for the whole game (that's a story for another day), I was just talking about Ferdinand's lofted ball to whoever was marking Bobby Z every time.
Was he told to do that or did he just genuinely think it was a good idea? |
IMHO we lost our two main out balls in Diakete and Taarabt if we play out from the back, and it was just like watching us post Faurlin injury pre Diakarte again. The lack of pace in central midfield was a major issue because we were neither getting into good defensive position or attacking ones and when we did commit to get into the attacking one we would lose the ball and they would be straight in behind us with no possibility of getting back into shape. What Diakete and Taarabt both do by carrying the ball is draw the other side out and allow the rest of the team to step up. In contrast you had Buzz without the pace and looking to play a pass as soon as he received and two wide players in Mackie and Cisse who are both going to go direct and cut in.
In hindsite (and I agree with langers about going long here) what might have been the best option would have been to maintain a defensive midfield three push Cisse along side Zamora and push Mackie up alongside them and punt long diagonal balls and have the three of them press high and more centrally.
|  | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 17:10 - May 1 with 794 views | Jamie |
'tactics'
 | | | |
| Hughes' tactics? on 17:53 - May 1 with 754 views | DejR_vu |
| Hughes' tactics? on 17:10 - May 1 by Jamie |
'tactics'
|
The problem with MH is that his approach is over analytical. He spends all week working on a gameplan based upon stats and percentages (remember MB saying that the stats were saying that we were really quite good when we were losing every week), but the problem is human beings don't work to a formula. As soon as something goes wrong he struggles to think on his feet.
It was always going to be difficult to get a result starting at 0-0. As soon as the second goal went in he should have made changes. As soon as it was 3-0 he should have accepted that it was mission impossible, made substitutions to shut up shop, and protect the goal difference. As it was he waited until we were 5-0 down in the 65th minute to make his first substitution. | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
