| Out Of Contract 21:25 - Dec 19 with 7516 views | derbyhoop |
As far as I am aware we have 9 key players OOC next Summer.
Dunne, Cook, Fox, Paal, Colback, Chair, Anderson, Frey and Kolli.
Isn't it about time the club offered new deals to those they need to keep.
I 'd be prepared to let Fox, , Colback and Anderson go, but the rest I'd keep. |  |
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| Out Of Contract on 21:40 - Dec 19 with 4218 views | stainrods_elbow |
Frey isn't up to it, so we should offer him out (not that way - he's a scary f*cker!)
Colback gives us ballast and glue, but it looks like he's on his last legs too.
The only thing that convinces me about Fox is his terrible injury record.
Andersen has been playing his way out of staying form some time, sadly.
Paal puts the bi in ambivalent.
Of the others, I adore Chair of course, but I fear his race may be run at the Rangers.
Kolli is promising but may or may not develop.
Dunne deserves a new contract, and we should take a positive view on Cook if we can.
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| Out Of Contract on 22:06 - Dec 19 with 4136 views | Northernr |
There's some finance elements to it obviously, and some age issues.
So atm you wouldn't renew Andersen, Fox or Colback (hopefully that third year option is on our side not his), Cook really depends atm you would, Frey needs a good second half of the season. Dunne I'd walk over coals to keep. Kolli seems to depend on money, Paal they seem to have taken against.
What is worth bearing in mind though is that's potentially half your team going out of the door again. A lot of experience too. Are we going to let that happen and bring another ten analytics lads from Europe in again? This amount of churn and turnover every summer isn't good, and signings of the profile of this summer would stand a much better chance of success if there were five of them coming into a settled side not ten of them and complete transformation.
So if you're undecided on somebody like Dunne, I think the value of continuity and a good, solid squad member over yet more change and churn in a key position elevates him further.
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| Out Of Contract on 22:21 - Dec 19 with 4003 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Out Of Contract on 22:06 - Dec 19 by Northernr |
There's some finance elements to it obviously, and some age issues.
So atm you wouldn't renew Andersen, Fox or Colback (hopefully that third year option is on our side not his), Cook really depends atm you would, Frey needs a good second half of the season. Dunne I'd walk over coals to keep. Kolli seems to depend on money, Paal they seem to have taken against.
What is worth bearing in mind though is that's potentially half your team going out of the door again. A lot of experience too. Are we going to let that happen and bring another ten analytics lads from Europe in again? This amount of churn and turnover every summer isn't good, and signings of the profile of this summer would stand a much better chance of success if there were five of them coming into a settled side not ten of them and complete transformation.
So if you're undecided on somebody like Dunne, I think the value of continuity and a good, solid squad member over yet more change and churn in a key position elevates him further.
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Agree in principle on limiting the 'churn', but on the other hand a lot of that 'experience' has been ineffectual, injured, and/or inept (Messrs Fox, Colback, Paal, and Frey - I'm looking at you). Young or old, there's a feeling that a lot of this squad just aren't good enough often enough.
The one I'd be worried about losing is Chair as he's such a linchpin, and players with his sprinkle of angeldust are so difficult to replace, but I'm also worried about whether, or at any rate how quickly, he will or can come back and get back to the player he was. | |
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| Out Of Contract on 22:24 - Dec 19 with 4018 views | derbyhoop |
| Out Of Contract on 22:06 - Dec 19 by Northernr |
There's some finance elements to it obviously, and some age issues.
So atm you wouldn't renew Andersen, Fox or Colback (hopefully that third year option is on our side not his), Cook really depends atm you would, Frey needs a good second half of the season. Dunne I'd walk over coals to keep. Kolli seems to depend on money, Paal they seem to have taken against.
What is worth bearing in mind though is that's potentially half your team going out of the door again. A lot of experience too. Are we going to let that happen and bring another ten analytics lads from Europe in again? This amount of churn and turnover every summer isn't good, and signings of the profile of this summer would stand a much better chance of success if there were five of them coming into a settled side not ten of them and complete transformation.
So if you're undecided on somebody like Dunne, I think the value of continuity and a good, solid squad member over yet more change and churn in a key position elevates him further.
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Totally agree re the churn element. We can't be bringing in 9 new players and expect all/most of them to hit the ground running. | |
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| Out Of Contract on 22:37 - Dec 19 with 3942 views | Lblock |
Doesn’t a lot of this depend on what Division we are playing in and therefore the playing budget available?
That’ll also dictate choice on the players side
Ideally world we’d all keep Dunne I’m sure, Cook would come down to fitness and being able to keep Chair and Kolli be fantastic but maybe it’s time for Yass to move on. He’s been fantastic and I hope he returns to full fitness, rips it up rest of season and gets a £10mill move to a bigger club.
I’ll have a heavy heart when he leaves the little maestro |  |
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| Out Of Contract on 23:32 - Dec 19 with 3789 views | bosh67 |
| Out Of Contract on 22:37 - Dec 19 by Lblock |
Doesn’t a lot of this depend on what Division we are playing in and therefore the playing budget available?
That’ll also dictate choice on the players side
Ideally world we’d all keep Dunne I’m sure, Cook would come down to fitness and being able to keep Chair and Kolli be fantastic but maybe it’s time for Yass to move on. He’s been fantastic and I hope he returns to full fitness, rips it up rest of season and gets a £10mill move to a bigger club.
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I agree on most of that. Dunne and Cook have proven that they are the glue not only in the team but also off the park and around the training ground. You have to do everything you can to keep leaders like that. Both are supremely fit and Cook is astonishing. He doesn't look like the kind of guy who would be a prime athlete but he really is. I'd love us to settle things financially and develop Kolli properly. Loads of potential there. Chair is another big part of the QPR machine here behind the scenes as well as on the pitch. If he has a good second half of the season though I think both he and the club would need to weigh up their options. Colback really depends on how he comes back this time. He is a top player at this level but the injuries mount up. [Post edited 20 Dec 0:05]
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| Out Of Contract on 07:26 - Dec 20 with 3503 views | dmm |
I can see no argument for not extending the contracts of Dunne or Kolli. I can see reasons on both sides of the argument regarding keeping Cook, Chair and Frey.
To me, Colback, Anderson and Fox look most likely to go, along with Paal who probably wants out anyway.
Then there's Saito who will be at the end of his loan. I think most would want the club to offer him a permanent contract and I believe they will or have already.
Would the club look to the Dev squad to replace some of the players leaving? Of those in and around the senior squad, Morgan is pretty much established himself already and would help to replace Colback and possibly EDB who I can see being allowed to leave. However, Lloyd needs a good loan out to progress and Bennie is still learning his trade.
There are 7 players currently out on loan. Of those I'd say Larkeche has a chance of returning to the squad, and Tuck is an excellent prospect but probably needs another season to develop. Shann and Aoraha's contracts will be in the balance and neither are ready, Kelman's surely can't be renewed again, and I think Cooper will be released. It seems that Taylor Richards will hang around like a bad smell for another year. |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 08:10 - Dec 20 with 3392 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Bar Chair I think the rest will be released. I understand the argument regarding high player turnover, a lot of new players etc but, how many of those players will sign for Championship teams?
Maybe Cook.
If we want to improve then we need better players, simple. |  | | |
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| Out Of Contract on 08:13 - Dec 20 with 3366 views | stevec |
In essence then, 5 players the club don’t mind running down their contracts and four they’d like to hand out new contracts.
Of those four, only one likely to pull in a significant fee. Feels like Chair will just run down his contract and leave for free.
Once again, I’m not convinced this develop and sell policy is a viable platform to build a successful football team. Its a once every 25 years kick start (Marsh/Les/Eze) and I’m not sure too many of us can wait for the next one in 2045. |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 08:27 - Dec 20 with 3326 views | Watford_Ranger |
Absolutely keep Dunne. Proven good egg, covers two positions if required. Cook clearly doesn’t have a fitness issue given he plays every week but a lot depends on the planned style of play. He’ll be 34 on big money so if we’re playing the low block, cling to a clean sheet with our cold dead hands style as we are now it’s probably worth an extra year. If not, those wages are probably better spent elsewhere.
Colback absolutely not. He’s only rated highly when he’s not playing, which is often. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 08:58 - Dec 20 with 3231 views | Hoopstar |
I would love to keep Cook purely because as a, not very good, defender myself in previous days I love watching someone who just knows how to do it. Sitting by the goal this year it is genuinely a joy watching his positional play and awareness of when a team mate might be in trouble - and still has ample pace to get across to cover at short notice. It must be doing Morrison's development wonders playing alongside him at the moment - though of course if JCS ever gets fit again you'd ideally be playing him and Morrison as a longer term option.
Not keeping someone like Dunne who provides cover, and one of our bigger attacking threats wouldn't make sense to me. He's a wonderful ambassador for the club compared to some of the eejits that have worn the Hoops.
There's clearly a lot of talent with Kolli and would like to see him stay. Has shown he may have more goal threat than any other forwards who have flattered to deceive in that role over the years. I wouldn't begrudge Chair a move - have felt like that for two years though as he has fully carried the team for extended periods and deserves a chance to play in a better side imo. His moment may have passed however - he seems settled in London and no real desire to move but always thought his game might suit the Spanish league.
Paal - it is a shame how it seems to be working out. We'll miss the Paal before this season - as we saw with Bidwell, don't knock a solid 6 sometimes 7 out of 10 player.
Fox, Colback, Anderson and Frey is a big cheerio from me. |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 09:24 - Dec 20 with 3135 views | CateLeBonR |
Another for the OUT list I’d have thought is Elijah Dixon-Bonner. He doesn’t look like a happy Bonner and 3 appearances this season in this team is a big disappointment. I’m not sure about his contract situation apart from that he extended in the summer. |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 09:46 - Dec 20 with 3037 views | daveB |
A lot can happen between now and the summer but at the moment I'd keep Chair, Dunne, Kolli and Cook and wouldn't worry about the others
I think Chair has one of those options for 1 more year and seeing what's happened to WIllock might make him think it's worth staying |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 10:15 - Dec 20 with 2925 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Out Of Contract on 09:24 - Dec 20 by CateLeBonR |
Another for the OUT list I’d have thought is Elijah Dixon-Bonner. He doesn’t look like a happy Bonner and 3 appearances this season in this team is a big disappointment. I’m not sure about his contract situation apart from that he extended in the summer. |
Weird player. Bet he looks good in training. The classic case of the kid who was comfortable playing in a big club’s academy for years too long rather than play adult football then looks soft and ineffective when starting to play adult football at about 23. Doubt he’ll be a professional footballer when he’s 30. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 10:23 - Dec 20 with 2880 views | GaryHaddock |
| Out Of Contract on 09:24 - Dec 20 by CateLeBonR |
Another for the OUT list I’d have thought is Elijah Dixon-Bonner. He doesn’t look like a happy Bonner and 3 appearances this season in this team is a big disappointment. I’m not sure about his contract situation apart from that he extended in the summer. |
28 professional appearances when you are a third of your way through your career is a bit sad isn't it?
If I was him, I'd bite the bullet and get a nailed on position and a three year contract in League One or Two and get one with my career.
Good luck to him. |  | | |
| Out Of Contract on 10:44 - Dec 20 with 2790 views | BlackAndGoldRanger |
Dunne - Yes, 3 years.
Cook - Yes, 1 year.
Fox - No.
Paal - No.
Colback - No.
Chair - Yes, 3 years.
Andersen - No.
Frey - Maybe, a year probably.
Kolli - Yes, long term - 10 years and a Ballon D'or.
Easy this lark. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 10:46 - Dec 20 with 2774 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
I'd keep Jimmy, Cook and Kolli for sure.
Release Fox, Colback and Andersen for sure.
Sell Ilias if we get a decent offer.
I would imagine they'll sell Paal if they can get anything for him in January.
Frey is the one I'm not sure about - he looked semi-decent before he got injured and we obviously need to improve what we have upfront as a priority. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 10:49 - Dec 20 with 2750 views | GaryHaddock |
Funny how important timings are with these things.
Jimmy was being called a carthorse a month ago. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 10:50 - Dec 20 with 2741 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Biggest factors for me are:
1) We don't sign enough good players of any description, so leaving current players go is always a risk.
2) We're not signing enough players that suit Cifuentes' supposed preferred style - centre-backs too slow, centre-mids not comfortable on the ball, forwards too slow to press etc.
3) We're not signing enough players suited to the Championship - goalie who's terrible in the air, midfielders who don't like to tackle etc
So, in short, players leaving for free is only part of the problem, the bigger part is replacing them. |  |
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| Out Of Contract on 10:50 - Dec 20 with 2740 views | TheChef |
| Out Of Contract on 08:10 - Dec 20 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Bar Chair I think the rest will be released. I understand the argument regarding high player turnover, a lot of new players etc but, how many of those players will sign for Championship teams?
Maybe Cook.
If we want to improve then we need better players, simple. |
Haha yes, so simple to release most of your players and replace them with 15-20 new ones who will all be better and fit right in.
Total nonsense. |  |
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| Out Of Contract on 10:51 - Dec 20 with 2738 views | Tonto |
Maybe counter to most on here, but I am less worried about the churn.
The team Marti inherited was, let's me honest, crap. Losing most of that team will not lose me any sleep and i dohbt the team will lose much in Quality.. We needed to completely revamp the squad.
I think the majority of the hard work was done this summer, and hopefully we are now beginning to see the benefits of that. By next year Varane, Nardi, Madsen, Morrison and Saito will have probably palyed 30 plus games in the championship. Field, Cook Dunne and Chair (if they stay) are well beyond that. The only inexperienced area will, therefore, be up front.
If you loom at that list, half of the players are not first XIers. Most are back up/bench players. |  |
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| Out Of Contract on 10:57 - Dec 20 with 2702 views | TheChef |
I'd keep Frey unless we have a ready made replacement lined up. Already seen this season how we've struggled with a lack of strikers in the squad. | |
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| Out Of Contract on 11:19 - Dec 20 with 2626 views | Hoopstar |
| Out Of Contract on 10:50 - Dec 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
Biggest factors for me are:
1) We don't sign enough good players of any description, so leaving current players go is always a risk.
2) We're not signing enough players that suit Cifuentes' supposed preferred style - centre-backs too slow, centre-mids not comfortable on the ball, forwards too slow to press etc.
3) We're not signing enough players suited to the Championship - goalie who's terrible in the air, midfielders who don't like to tackle etc
So, in short, players leaving for free is only part of the problem, the bigger part is replacing them. |
It's really interesting how different opinions we can all have - and I have a general respect for so many of your opinions.
For me Nardi has been a breath of fresh air in goal. On games played so far looks like the least rick prone keeper we have had in years. A very different keeper to Dieng but really struggling to think of goals that have come about because of his poor ability - beyond perhaps one of the West Brom ones on day one. We've let a lot of goals in but not sure we can place many at his feet.
Looks a genuinely excellenet Champ level keeper to me. | | | |
| Out Of Contract on 11:31 - Dec 20 with 2550 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Out Of Contract on 11:19 - Dec 20 by Hoopstar |
It's really interesting how different opinions we can all have - and I have a general respect for so many of your opinions.
For me Nardi has been a breath of fresh air in goal. On games played so far looks like the least rick prone keeper we have had in years. A very different keeper to Dieng but really struggling to think of goals that have come about because of his poor ability - beyond perhaps one of the West Brom ones on day one. We've let a lot of goals in but not sure we can place many at his feet.
Looks a genuinely excellenet Champ level keeper to me. |
Overall, I think he's a good keeper, Hoopstar, and would be even better in another Division or League. I just think he's very poor in the air.
In the last game I counted four times when he should have come for simple high balls but didn't. On two occasions we nearly conceded as a result.
Otherwise, I like him. | |
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| Out Of Contract on 11:36 - Dec 20 with 2524 views | loftboy |
| Out Of Contract on 11:31 - Dec 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
Overall, I think he's a good keeper, Hoopstar, and would be even better in another Division or League. I just think he's very poor in the air.
In the last game I counted four times when he should have come for simple high balls but didn't. On two occasions we nearly conceded as a result.
Otherwise, I like him. |
If he was perfect he wouldn’t be playing for us! |  |
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