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Tummer, WTF! 02:35 - Aug 4 with 11896 viewsDJack

A terrible day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49221936

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Tummer, WTF! on 02:39 - Aug 4 with 7713 viewsGroo

If only everyone in Walmart was armed to the teeth, eh!

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Tummer, WTF! on 02:52 - Aug 4 with 7707 viewsDJack

Tummer, WTF! on 02:39 - Aug 4 by Groo

If only everyone in Walmart was armed to the teeth, eh!


I agree but now is not the time mate.

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Tummer, WTF! on 07:03 - Aug 4 with 7625 viewsGlastonbury

Awful scenes. Just awful. Do Americans carry guns going about their daily day ? As I never hear anyone bad the police shooting the terrorist or / shooter for e.g.

If they don't carry guns then don't sell them to Joe public
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Tummer, WTF! on 08:46 - Aug 4 with 7529 viewsTummer_from_Texas

Yeah, crazy day.

When I'm not wasting time on Planet Swans, I'm the General Manager of a retail/office development somewhat similar in size to Cielo Vista Mall where this happened (ironically, my property Watters Creek is in Allen, a suburb of Dallas where the El Paso shooter lived). I'm always worried something like this might happen at Watters Creek. We're in a nice area where crime is almost nonexistent, but something like this can happen anywhere. At least anywhere in the USA.

Better gun control in this country simply needs to happen. I don't know much about guns, personally, nor do I care to, but that seems pretty obvious.

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Tummer, WTF! on 08:58 - Aug 4 with 7487 viewsAndy1300

Tummer, WTF! on 08:46 - Aug 4 by Tummer_from_Texas

Yeah, crazy day.

When I'm not wasting time on Planet Swans, I'm the General Manager of a retail/office development somewhat similar in size to Cielo Vista Mall where this happened (ironically, my property Watters Creek is in Allen, a suburb of Dallas where the El Paso shooter lived). I'm always worried something like this might happen at Watters Creek. We're in a nice area where crime is almost nonexistent, but something like this can happen anywhere. At least anywhere in the USA.

Better gun control in this country simply needs to happen. I don't know much about guns, personally, nor do I care to, but that seems pretty obvious.


Shame your presidents past and present don't have the balls to enforce more controls

Another sad day but not the last

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Tummer, WTF! on 09:04 - Aug 4 with 7468 viewsTummer_from_Texas

That said, I'm pessimistic that the USA will ever change, at least not in my lifetime. The guns are already out there, and it seems pretty impossible to do anything about the existing supply.

If sweeping gun legislation were to happen, any positive result could take years (maybe generations) to really be evident, and the massive pro gun crowd will just say "see it didn't work, and the criminals still have guns."

The 2017 national ban of bump stocks was significant, but we still have a long way to go. I suppose better background checks are the next step.

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Tummer, WTF! on 09:09 - Aug 4 with 7453 viewsTummer_from_Texas

Tummer, WTF! on 08:58 - Aug 4 by Andy1300

Shame your presidents past and present don't have the balls to enforce more controls

Another sad day but not the last


The present one is actually the only one in recent history who has done anything significant, banning bump stocks.

But enacting gun control legislation is ultimately the responsibility of our Congress, not the president.
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Tummer, WTF! on 09:17 - Aug 4 with 7423 viewsTummer_from_Texas

Sh1t, now this morning there's early reports of ANOTHER mass shooting in Ohio.

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Tummer, WTF! on 09:22 - Aug 4 with 7406 viewsexiledclaseboy

20 killed in El Paso by what seems to be a white nationalist like the president. Now nine more in Ohio.

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Tummer, WTF! on 09:40 - Aug 4 with 7377 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Tummer, WTF! on 09:22 - Aug 4 by exiledclaseboy

20 killed in El Paso by what seems to be a white nationalist like the president. Now nine more in Ohio.


A very sad and long list.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-da

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Tummer, WTF! on 09:48 - Aug 4 with 7355 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Tummer, WTF! on 09:40 - Aug 4 by JACKMANANDBOY

A very sad and long list.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-da


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Tummer, WTF! on 09:56 - Aug 4 with 7334 viewsItchySphincter

Tummer, WTF! on 02:52 - Aug 4 by DJack

I agree but now is not the time mate.


Just out of interest - when is the time?

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Tummer, WTF! on 11:00 - Aug 4 with 7257 viewsHighjack

Tummer, WTF! on 09:56 - Aug 4 by ItchySphincter

Just out of interest - when is the time?


Perhaps one day when there isn’t a mass shooting we can all talk about it but when they average over one mass shooting per day it could be a while...

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Tummer, WTF! on 12:22 - Aug 4 with 7183 viewswobbly

It looks like in Ohio we had the good people with guns right there, with first responders neutralising the shooter in less than one minute.

And yet still 9 are dead and 26 injured.

I’m confident this won’t put an end to the bull5hit line on gun control that the only thing that stops bad people with guns are good people with guns.
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Tummer, WTF! on 12:24 - Aug 4 with 7179 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Tummer, WTF! on 12:22 - Aug 4 by wobbly

It looks like in Ohio we had the good people with guns right there, with first responders neutralising the shooter in less than one minute.

And yet still 9 are dead and 26 injured.

I’m confident this won’t put an end to the bull5hit line on gun control that the only thing that stops bad people with guns are good people with guns.


We have a gun problem, therefore we need more guns?

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Tummer, WTF! on 12:51 - Aug 4 with 7136 viewslondonlisa2001

Tummer, WTF! on 12:22 - Aug 4 by wobbly

It looks like in Ohio we had the good people with guns right there, with first responders neutralising the shooter in less than one minute.

And yet still 9 are dead and 26 injured.

I’m confident this won’t put an end to the bull5hit line on gun control that the only thing that stops bad people with guns are good people with guns.


That line was, of course, first said by the NRA after Sandy Hook.

If the US didn’t want to change gun laws after children were murdered, it sure as hell won’t change them after a bunch of ‘immigrants’ have been murdered. Trump laughed in his rally when someone shouted ‘shoot them’ in response to his ‘what can we do to stop them coming’ question.

Many of his supporters won’t give a sh*t. They’ve been dehumanised (the victims that is - the people laughing and cheering about it were barely human in the first place).
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Tummer, WTF! on 13:54 - Aug 4 with 7076 viewsBytholWyn

One of my favourite books as a kid was the Sneetches, by Dr Seuss. Not that I claim I understood it at the time, but it was a brilliant commentary on racism, and even more so on the commercial exploitation of human frailty.

I can't help thinking though that if Dr Seuss were to write that book today, in these more pessimistic times, that he'd leave off the happy ending. A new edition should be released that ends with the immortal lines: "They never will learn. No you can't teach a Sneetch".

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Tummer, WTF! on 14:59 - Aug 4 with 7030 viewsDJack

Tummer, WTF! on 09:56 - Aug 4 by ItchySphincter

Just out of interest - when is the time?


Is that a genuine question?

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Tummer, WTF! on 16:59 - Aug 4 with 6958 viewssioni

Tummer, WTF! on 13:54 - Aug 4 by BytholWyn

One of my favourite books as a kid was the Sneetches, by Dr Seuss. Not that I claim I understood it at the time, but it was a brilliant commentary on racism, and even more so on the commercial exploitation of human frailty.

I can't help thinking though that if Dr Seuss were to write that book today, in these more pessimistic times, that he'd leave off the happy ending. A new edition should be released that ends with the immortal lines: "They never will learn. No you can't teach a Sneetch".



Yes ,I can still share my childhood laughter but the predictable rueful grin at the ending looms large these days. Anyway , Dr Seuss is still welcome in my latter days.
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Tummer, WTF! on 18:18 - Aug 4 with 6880 viewsFlashberryjack

Tummer, WTF! on 08:46 - Aug 4 by Tummer_from_Texas

Yeah, crazy day.

When I'm not wasting time on Planet Swans, I'm the General Manager of a retail/office development somewhat similar in size to Cielo Vista Mall where this happened (ironically, my property Watters Creek is in Allen, a suburb of Dallas where the El Paso shooter lived). I'm always worried something like this might happen at Watters Creek. We're in a nice area where crime is almost nonexistent, but something like this can happen anywhere. At least anywhere in the USA.

Better gun control in this country simply needs to happen. I don't know much about guns, personally, nor do I care to, but that seems pretty obvious.


Guns aren't the problem, it's the c*nts that carry and use them .

Same as people that carry Knives in the UK.

A world wide ban on guns and Knives will only alter the method that people kill each other.

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Tummer, WTF! on 18:20 - Aug 4 with 6874 viewsHighjack

Tummer, WTF! on 18:18 - Aug 4 by Flashberryjack

Guns aren't the problem, it's the c*nts that carry and use them .

Same as people that carry Knives in the UK.

A world wide ban on guns and Knives will only alter the method that people kill each other.


It’s very difficult to mass stab people with a knife.

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Tummer, WTF! on 18:38 - Aug 4 with 6843 viewsFlashberryjack

Tummer, WTF! on 18:20 - Aug 4 by Highjack

It’s very difficult to mass stab people with a knife.


They managed it in London.

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Tummer, WTF! on 18:38 - Aug 4 with 6842 viewslondonlisa2001

Tummer, WTF! on 18:18 - Aug 4 by Flashberryjack

Guns aren't the problem, it's the c*nts that carry and use them .

Same as people that carry Knives in the UK.

A world wide ban on guns and Knives will only alter the method that people kill each other.


Sorry, but that’s nonsense.

The weapons that were used in El Paso and Ohio yesterday allowed the monsters to kill incredibly quickly. The Ohio one was over in a minute. And 9 were murdered.

You can’t do that with a knife.
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Tummer, WTF! on 18:41 - Aug 4 with 6827 viewslondonlisa2001

Tummer, WTF! on 18:38 - Aug 4 by Flashberryjack

They managed it in London.


It doesn’t even remotely compare.
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Tummer, WTF! on 18:43 - Aug 4 with 6821 viewsFlashberryjack

Tummer, WTF! on 18:41 - Aug 4 by londonlisa2001

It doesn’t even remotely compare.


I wasn't comparing.

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