| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:24 - Jan 14 with 995 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:34 - Jan 14 by Scotia |
That is a completely islamophobic post.
I expect no better from you. |
What was Islamophobic , not wanting animals to be killed inhumanely or children raped ? all of my post was factual the only thing missing from yours is that you called me I'm racist.
By the way you don't know me so your expectations mean nothing . |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 16:54 - Jan 14 with 918 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:34 - Jan 14 by Scotia |
That is a completely islamophobic post.
I expect no better from you. |
Raping kids and torturing animals.
Now this has gone on and will still be going on.
Your post is alethophobic ,to me | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 21:10 - Jan 14 with 850 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:24 - Jan 14 by Boundy |
What was Islamophobic , not wanting animals to be killed inhumanely or children raped ? all of my post was factual the only thing missing from yours is that you called me I'm racist.
By the way you don't know me so your expectations mean nothing . |
This.
"yes there are some Muslim practices I don't like and that is raping kids"
It's more of a worry that you had to ask. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 21:40 - Jan 14 with 820 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 21:10 - Jan 14 by Scotia |
This.
"yes there are some Muslim practices I don't like and that is raping kids"
It's more of a worry that you had to ask. |
Thanks for your concerns but they're not needed. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 06:28 - Jan 15 with 757 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 16:54 - Jan 14 by onehunglow |
Raping kids and torturing animals.
Now this has gone on and will still be going on.
Your post is alethophobic ,to me |
Only in Muslim communities? | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:15 - Jan 15 with 694 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 06:28 - Jan 15 by Scotia |
Only in Muslim communities? |
No | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:26 - Jan 15 with 687 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:57 - Jan 14 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Illegal immigrants don’t get benefits?
Perhaps not officially but they do get nice free hotel rooms that we’d have to pay hundreds of pounds a night for, free food, heating, healthcare, dental care, legal aid, all their bills paid for them and free spending money each week. |
No they don't. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:30 - Jan 15 with 682 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:35 - Jan 14 by Scotia |
I was referring to the KFC alone.
Still 65% of halal meet is stunned before slaughter.
0% of Kosher meat is. That doesn't seem to be a problem though.
I'm also not ignoring the rape gang problem. But I just think we should deal with the biggest problem first, which is clearly the internet. And the perfect guy to move us closer to eliminating interent abuse seems to have developed an interest in protecting children all of a sudden. I do wonder why he's turned a blind eye to it. [Post edited 14 Jan 10:42]
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Of course noncing on the internet is a massive issue and it needs to be clamped down on and those sick individuals need to be punished and removed from society. Nobody is arguing against that.
But the biggest scandal with these rape gangs is that the authorities (local councils, police, government) were apparently aware that this was happening for years and years and years and just stood back and did literally nothing because they didn’t want to inflame racial tensions or be labelled racist themselves. That is why it’s a big issue. That is why an enquiry is needed and those people who turned a blind eye are complicit and need to be brought to account themselves. |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:49 - Jan 15 with 670 views | Dr_Winston |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:30 - Jan 15 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Of course noncing on the internet is a massive issue and it needs to be clamped down on and those sick individuals need to be punished and removed from society. Nobody is arguing against that.
But the biggest scandal with these rape gangs is that the authorities (local councils, police, government) were apparently aware that this was happening for years and years and years and just stood back and did literally nothing because they didn’t want to inflame racial tensions or be labelled racist themselves. That is why it’s a big issue. That is why an enquiry is needed and those people who turned a blind eye are complicit and need to be brought to account themselves. |
It's not hard to understand is it really? |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:57 - Jan 15 with 666 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:30 - Jan 15 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Of course noncing on the internet is a massive issue and it needs to be clamped down on and those sick individuals need to be punished and removed from society. Nobody is arguing against that.
But the biggest scandal with these rape gangs is that the authorities (local councils, police, government) were apparently aware that this was happening for years and years and years and just stood back and did literally nothing because they didn’t want to inflame racial tensions or be labelled racist themselves. That is why it’s a big issue. That is why an enquiry is needed and those people who turned a blind eye are complicit and need to be brought to account themselves. |
But there's been inquiries in to exactly that, several at a local level and an overarching national one, which pointed out far bigger problems - nobody is bothered about those though, beacuse we want to protect children from evil muslims but they're fair game to clergy men and grown men pretending to be teenage girls on facebook.
We know the issue, what's the point in spaffing another £200 million up the wall to discover exactly the same thing?
The Tories (Amanda Solloway) previously turned down the same request from the same council, so I expect Kemi B will stop banging this particular drum soon. Perhaps we should ask what Oldham council have to hide?
If we want to indentify the actual people responsible, and we do, then we need a local inquiry, if they've broken the law we need a trial.
This entire thing is a racist dog whistle. I can't believe people are falling for it. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:59 - Jan 15 with 666 views | onehunglow |
Think Scotia has dropped his guard there
So,Jewish meat is less humane
Splitting hair really
Who keeps the percentage stats | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:15 - Jan 15 with 644 views | AnotherJohn |
So the public concern is just a "racist dog whistle"? Am I alone in being sickened to hear the morally-bankrupt narrative that led to years of suffering for thousands of disadvantaged white girls being repeated after all that has happened? If there is racism it is the racism of the criminals who consider those girls to be trash because they are white. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:29 - Jan 15 with 638 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:15 - Jan 15 by AnotherJohn |
So the public concern is just a "racist dog whistle"? Am I alone in being sickened to hear the morally-bankrupt narrative that led to years of suffering for thousands of disadvantaged white girls being repeated after all that has happened? If there is racism it is the racism of the criminals who consider those girls to be trash because they are white. |
No. You are in the majority
Also,what folk say publically is not what they believe in their soul .
We are afraid
Racism is now used as a lazy generic pejorative
Fact is,we all prefer” our own,which means our own ethnicity values override all.
It’s why Jews and Muslims don’t eat pork because of the teachings of their holy books about the hooves of animals
Madness really | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:15 - Jan 15 with 620 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:15 - Jan 15 by AnotherJohn |
So the public concern is just a "racist dog whistle"? Am I alone in being sickened to hear the morally-bankrupt narrative that led to years of suffering for thousands of disadvantaged white girls being repeated after all that has happened? If there is racism it is the racism of the criminals who consider those girls to be trash because they are white. |
No you're not, It seems Scotia pays only lip service when it comes to the kids but dare anyone offend any one who happens to be the focus of this thread then its like a a monthly meeting of the liberal society. I'd have thought that he'd have wanted a national enquiry as according to him all this appeared to happen on the Tory watch .
No concern from him that many agencies allowed this to continue nearly all under Labour authorities and in turn the same Labour led councils who led the local enquiries , the same Labour party who now want to sweep it all under the carpet . isn't he a bit concerned why that might be .
He put a price on this , how insensitive to say that "We know the issue, what's the point in spaffing another £200 million " We know nothing , 200 million is nothing compared to the lives of kids whose lives have probably been ruined for ever . | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:04 - Jan 15 with 588 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:15 - Jan 15 by AnotherJohn |
So the public concern is just a "racist dog whistle"? Am I alone in being sickened to hear the morally-bankrupt narrative that led to years of suffering for thousands of disadvantaged white girls being repeated after all that has happened? If there is racism it is the racism of the criminals who consider those girls to be trash because they are white. |
No the Tories calling for a public inquiry that they've already refused on the back of Elon Musk's comments is a racist dog whistle.
What's Kemi Badenoch said about it since that was revelaed? She looks like an utter fool.
I'm sickened by it. It's completly disgusting. But I'm even more sickened by racists using the abuse of children to further their cause. That is what's happening. And it's happening in this thread. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:05 - Jan 15 with 585 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:15 - Jan 15 by Boundy |
No you're not, It seems Scotia pays only lip service when it comes to the kids but dare anyone offend any one who happens to be the focus of this thread then its like a a monthly meeting of the liberal society. I'd have thought that he'd have wanted a national enquiry as according to him all this appeared to happen on the Tory watch .
No concern from him that many agencies allowed this to continue nearly all under Labour authorities and in turn the same Labour led councils who led the local enquiries , the same Labour party who now want to sweep it all under the carpet . isn't he a bit concerned why that might be .
He put a price on this , how insensitive to say that "We know the issue, what's the point in spaffing another £200 million " We know nothing , 200 million is nothing compared to the lives of kids whose lives have probably been ruined for ever . |
It makes no difference what colour the incumbent party in Westminster or the relevant authorities where.
I'm not a Labour voter. I have no political affiliation. I can just see straight through BS. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 18:31 - Jan 15 with 481 views | majorraglan |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:04 - Jan 15 by Scotia |
No the Tories calling for a public inquiry that they've already refused on the back of Elon Musk's comments is a racist dog whistle.
What's Kemi Badenoch said about it since that was revelaed? She looks like an utter fool.
I'm sickened by it. It's completly disgusting. But I'm even more sickened by racists using the abuse of children to further their cause. That is what's happening. And it's happening in this thread. |
100%.
It’s complete and utter hypocrisy from Badenoch, her government rejected the request for a Public Enquiry and said any issues could and should be dealt with at a local level. If Badenoch had come out, offered apologies admitted her party got it wrong,etc etc it would give her requests some support, but she hasn’t. Why did they welcome the last report, say they were going to implement this that and the other but in effect do f…. all about it for 2 years? Labour have been in 6 months and have already started implementing the recommendations.
It’s the same with Jenrick, he was out and about bumping his gums off last week until his actions , well let’s be honest his inactions as a minister at the Home Office were pointed out to him. He’s gone quiet now.
I’m all in favour of holding people to account, but I really don’t believe a huge overarching public enquiry is necessary. It’ll take years, cost a fortune and most likely achieve nothing. If there’s going to be an enquiry, it needs to be at a local level where people can be held to account and their feet held close to the fire.
I wouldn’t be averse to a criminal enquiry if it could be proven there’d been misconduct in public office - that’s a very open ended piece of legislation that could be very effective. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 08:44 - Jan 17 with 321 views | AnotherJohn |
I'm not a great admirer of Tory MS members, but take a look at what happened in the Senedd when Darren Moore tried to raise the issue of whether we have a rape gang problem in South Wales. This is how they shut down a topic.
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:07 - Jan 17 with 304 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 08:44 - Jan 17 by AnotherJohn |
I'm not a great admirer of Tory MS members, but take a look at what happened in the Senedd when Darren Moore tried to raise the issue of whether we have a rape gang problem in South Wales. This is how they shut down a topic.
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Is anyone really surprised but I would have like to have heard our beloved leaders reply , did she agree we should have one or was she toeing the party line., either way if theses events have happened in Wales has there been local reporting on this in the local media ? | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:12 - Jan 17 with 300 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:07 - Jan 17 by Boundy |
Is anyone really surprised but I would have like to have heard our beloved leaders reply , did she agree we should have one or was she toeing the party line., either way if theses events have happened in Wales has there been local reporting on this in the local media ? |
Our inability,as a society, to be honest with ourselves and to then speak accordingly is killing us.
Nobody can say how it is because if they do,Police could come knocking .
Seeing police officers fired for rather innocuous comments is the reason why Senior Plod view any criticism of certain ethnicities as dangerous - for them. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:34 - Jan 17 with 283 views | AnotherJohn |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:07 - Jan 17 by Boundy |
Is anyone really surprised but I would have like to have heard our beloved leaders reply , did she agree we should have one or was she toeing the party line., either way if theses events have happened in Wales has there been local reporting on this in the local media ? |
Probably I should have added more context.
Darren Millar, in his third session of FMQs as leader of the Welsh Conservatives in the Senedd, asks whether the first minister supports the calls for a new national inquiry into grooming gangs. (…)
Eluned Morgan replies "the Welsh government fully supported the previous independent inquiry into child sexual abuse and we are, on the back of that, developing a 10-year strategy for preventing and responding to child sexual abuse. The author of that report made it very clear that her interest was in making sure that the recommendations of that report were actioned, and I can assure you that several of those recommendations have already been implemented here in Wales."
Darren Millar asks "given the extent of public concern, will you now commission a Wales-wide inquiry into child sexual exploitation by grooming gangs here in Wales?"
The first minister replies, "I can make it clear to you that I have asked questions about the extent to which this is an issue in Wales of the police. I think that what is important is that we recognise that, actually, in Wales, we have legislated. There are duties in Wales to report, which were introduced back in 2014. You may not be aware of this, Darren, but this was a part of the Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Act 2014. There is a legal duty on agencies, including health boards, including police, probation and other local authorities to inform the local authority if they have reasonable cause to suspect that a child, or an adult with care and support needs, in their area is at risk of abuse, neglect or harm. That's in our law."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cqx9wdqjr73t
Not everybody was happy about what critics took to be the Presiding Officer, Elin Jones’s attempt to put limits on the way questions could be framed.
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2025-01-15/tory-minister-accuses-senedd-of-censor | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:53 - Jan 17 with 216 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:34 - Jan 17 by AnotherJohn |
Probably I should have added more context.
Darren Millar, in his third session of FMQs as leader of the Welsh Conservatives in the Senedd, asks whether the first minister supports the calls for a new national inquiry into grooming gangs. (…)
Eluned Morgan replies "the Welsh government fully supported the previous independent inquiry into child sexual abuse and we are, on the back of that, developing a 10-year strategy for preventing and responding to child sexual abuse. The author of that report made it very clear that her interest was in making sure that the recommendations of that report were actioned, and I can assure you that several of those recommendations have already been implemented here in Wales."
Darren Millar asks "given the extent of public concern, will you now commission a Wales-wide inquiry into child sexual exploitation by grooming gangs here in Wales?"
The first minister replies, "I can make it clear to you that I have asked questions about the extent to which this is an issue in Wales of the police. I think that what is important is that we recognise that, actually, in Wales, we have legislated. There are duties in Wales to report, which were introduced back in 2014. You may not be aware of this, Darren, but this was a part of the Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Act 2014. There is a legal duty on agencies, including health boards, including police, probation and other local authorities to inform the local authority if they have reasonable cause to suspect that a child, or an adult with care and support needs, in their area is at risk of abuse, neglect or harm. That's in our law."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cqx9wdqjr73t
Not everybody was happy about what critics took to be the Presiding Officer, Elin Jones’s attempt to put limits on the way questions could be framed.
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2025-01-15/tory-minister-accuses-senedd-of-censor |
I think there a couple of issues here. It was first minister questions, and Darren Millar took a long time (150 secs and several prompts) to get around to asking his question. His "speech" broke the principle FMQ rule of being brief, clearly worded and specific. It's also arguable that he used offensive language, expresseed a point of view and disclosed personal information.
However when challenged he said "he was stating facts" to which the Llwydd replied "no you're not".
I don't think that was the best reply from her.
However, he wasn't being censored, just being asked to abide by the rules. [Post edited 17 Jan 15:35]
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:26 - Jan 17 with 201 views | AnotherJohn |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:53 - Jan 17 by Scotia |
I think there a couple of issues here. It was first minister questions, and Darren Millar took a long time (150 secs and several prompts) to get around to asking his question. His "speech" broke the principle FMQ rule of being brief, clearly worded and specific. It's also arguable that he used offensive language, expresseed a point of view and disclosed personal information.
However when challenged he said "he was stating facts" to which the Llwydd replied "no you're not".
I don't think that was the best reply from her.
However, he wasn't being censored, just being asked to abide by the rules. [Post edited 17 Jan 15:35]
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I'm not sure any of the three principal actors in this drama emerge with perfect scores, but surely the key passage in what the Llwydd said is: "You're being overly descriptive and verging on not being totally respectful of the victim at this point. (...) The use of language in this place needs to be making sure that you are keeping well away from inflaming any kind of discrimination or inciting of any kind of discrimination." For me the first issue is that the problem is that debates about the rape gang phenomenon haven't involved full descriptions, but rather descriptions that leave certain things out. In my view describing the horror of the rapes does not disrespect the victims. The second issue is that limiting what can be said because it might involve the "inciting of any kind of discrimination" is precisely what stymied investigations and action to control the child exploitation that we've seen. The ability to ask questions that may offend some is one of the main reasons why many people want a national inquiry (over 70% in recent surveys). [Post edited 17 Jan 14:27]
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 15:48 - Jan 17 with 164 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:26 - Jan 17 by AnotherJohn |
I'm not sure any of the three principal actors in this drama emerge with perfect scores, but surely the key passage in what the Llwydd said is: "You're being overly descriptive and verging on not being totally respectful of the victim at this point. (...) The use of language in this place needs to be making sure that you are keeping well away from inflaming any kind of discrimination or inciting of any kind of discrimination." For me the first issue is that the problem is that debates about the rape gang phenomenon haven't involved full descriptions, but rather descriptions that leave certain things out. In my view describing the horror of the rapes does not disrespect the victims. The second issue is that limiting what can be said because it might involve the "inciting of any kind of discrimination" is precisely what stymied investigations and action to control the child exploitation that we've seen. The ability to ask questions that may offend some is one of the main reasons why many people want a national inquiry (over 70% in recent surveys). [Post edited 17 Jan 14:27]
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But to ask a question you don't need to be overly prescreptive and unless the victim knew Darren Miller was going to ask that particular question and state what had hapened to her he was being disrespectful and disclosing personal information.
That's what he was being pulled up on.
It could have inflamed / incited discrimination - we have seen it in this thread. The Tories would be well advised to let this go as they have no moral high ground to take, but that isn't what they are trying to do. They are trying to take votes from Reform by using abused children.
Ultimately this wasn't a debate, it wasn't a motion raised by an Assembly Member. It was a deliberately misused slot at FMQ's. It's possible Darren Millar knew what would happen and he knew the rules. He knew he'd be stopped by going on this rant and that is possibly exactly the hornets nest he wanted to kick.
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