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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! 10:41 - Jun 29 with 57599 viewsnumptydumpty

Has anyone seen the "Car Crash" performance of Joe Biden in his live TV debate v Trump.

Many times, he lost his train of thought. Often, he was.out of breath and many times he wasn't focusing.

This man is the so called leader of the developed world.

And he is going to get trounced, big time by Donald Trump, who could be beaten quite easily by a mediocre politician.

I really can't see how Americans can feel about their leaders in anyway that is positive whatsoever.

But this debate was shocking.
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 15:56 - Jul 28 with 2129 viewstexasranger

I quite agree with all your sentiments about Trump except for the label 'ignoramus' which I think is a gross mis-justice for a man who has achieved so much. Forthright, even blunt perhaps, but the world was a safer place with him in power.
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 16:28 - Jul 28 with 2075 viewsMatch82

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 12:45 - Jul 28 by GaryT

Thanks for you respectful response. There's a lot there I disagree with there but I doubt either of us has the time or the energy to pick every bit apart. I'll just pick a few though...

The video says she only got the job because she's black and a woman and you also added that she 'unzipped' her way up the ladder. For the record, her CV looks like this:

Harris went to college at Howard University in 1986 and got a degree in political science.
In 1989 Harris became a lawyer after studying at Hastings College of Law at the University of California.
In 1990, Harris was hired as a deputy district attorney in Alameda County, California
In 1994, Speaker of the California Assembly Willie Brown, who was then dating Harris, appointed her to the state Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and later to the California Medical Assistance Commission.
In February 1998, San Francisco district attorney Terence Hallinan recruited Harris as an assistant district attorney
In August 2000, Harris took a job at San Francisco City Hall, working for city attorney Louise Renne.
In 2003 Harris became the first person of colour to be elected as the District Attorney of San Francisco. She ran unopposed for a second term in November 2007 - 2011.
From 2011 - 2017 Harris was elected the California Attorney General and was then elected to the US Senate in 2016.
Harris was elected Vice president in 2020.

I dunno, that doesn't look like some black chick who just sucked her way to the top to me?

You are pro Trump so anything that pokes fun at his opponents makes you laugh. I see a lot of videos of Trump getting people's names wrong and stumbling his way through speeches all the time. I find them amusing, you probably wouldn't. Not much we can do about that I guess.

The $2.00 gas price was during Covid and nobody was driving. It's a bit like me saying unemployment went through the roof when Trump was in charge in 2020, no sh*t, millions were laid off work also due to Covid so we have to pick our numbers carefully.

Food prices have gone up alarmingly all over the world and coincidentally, so have corporate profits. The excuse of "supply chain issues" has turned out to be total BS, they just a bunch of greedy MF's. Trumps tax cuts added trillions to the debt and did very little to help the average American. The media has to take most of the blame for the way people 'feel' about the economy and crime. Only many years later are we able to look back at the numbers and see that it was the opposite of what the media was telling us (depending on which media you are listening to of course).

We are not close to WW3, this is just another fear campaign that the Trump media push and the closer you get to the election, the more you are going to hear about the millions of murders and rapists streaming over the border, how the inner cities are 'no go areas' if they haven't been burnt to the ground already and how climate change is a hoax and we need to drill baby drill because being the worlds number one oil producer already just isn't good enough. Then there will be stories of how the evil Democrats are cutting babies from Republican bellies and how seeing a drag show can turn you gay or into a paedophile.

If you can see past all the fear mongering and keep asking "what is Trump going to do to run the country" you'll quickly see there isn't a plan. Seriously, there's nothing, not a single piece of paper with anything reassembly an economic plan...apart from project 2025. Last time he was in power he was a baby behind the wheel trying to crash at every turn but the adults in the room stopped him from Nuking hurricanes and from injecting bleach. In his final days in power he very nearly installed a lacky (Jeff Clark) into the DOJ to overturn the election and only the threat of thousands of staff walking out put paid to that, hence why The Heritage Foundation (project 2025) have already recruited tens of thousands of volunteers to take over their duties on day one should Trump win.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/23/1107217243/former-doj-officials-detail-threatenin

I'm still recovering from Covid and have a lot of work to catch up on so I shall bow out and let others explain the threat Donald Trump is to the World and especially the US. Remember, the adults in the room that stopped his childish urges the first time around have been replaced with yes men who will do whatever the supreme leader demands of them. You are months away from an election that will end very badly, whatever the result. I wish you luck.


"Food prices have gone up alarmingly all over the world and coincidentally, so have corporate profits. The excuse of "supply chain issues" has turned out to be total BS, they just a bunch of greedy MF's. Trumps tax cuts added trillions to the debt and did very little to help the average American. The media has to take most of the blame for the way people 'feel' about the economy and crime. Only many years later are we able to look back at the numbers and see that it was the opposite of what the media was telling us (depending on which media you are listening to of course)."


I'm just going to respond to this bit because I think I can add some relevant context. I've worked for a couple different large food/drink corporations before and since COVID and been involved in some of the discussions at board level. Realistically it's both greed/ambition and supply chains right? Corporations have aggressive goals. If every business is looking to grow market share they can't all succeed. Likewise they've all got aggressive plans to improve profitability.

I worked for one company in 2017/2018 that when the corporate tax cuts came in that were theoretically going to be passed onto employees and/or consumers literally stood up in a town hall meeting and said "we understand that you might be expecting this to be passed on but we are under our profitability targets for the year so we're going to take it and reward our shareholders, and use it to try and be in a stronger position for next year". Corporate greed.

On the other hand, Ukraine was responsible for close to HALF of the worlds sunflower oil production in 2021. The war has genuinely led to a massive shortage and therefore massive spike in the cost, if you are buying a product which is made with sunflower oil it's going to be much more expensive today than three years ago. Not suggesting that all raw materials have gone up that much obviously. But now the rising price of food also means wages go up and so do costs. It's a horrible vicious cycle.

I'll say in my experience and from speaking to other people in the industry that profitability margin of food/drink companies isnt that much higher if at all than it was pre COVID - though in absolute dollars it's probably higher.

And though this isn't a point that you've made, the idea that there's some shadowy cabal is orchestrating the events of the world is hilarious. It's not a conspiracy just a huge number of people with varying levels of money and influence trying to get more of what people like that want - more money and influence - and stacking the deck accordingly.
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 16:32 - Jul 28 with 2068 viewsEsox_Lucius

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 15:56 - Jul 28 by texasranger

I quite agree with all your sentiments about Trump except for the label 'ignoramus' which I think is a gross mis-justice for a man who has achieved so much. Forthright, even blunt perhaps, but the world was a safer place with him in power.


Unless you were Black, Hispanic, female, LGBTQIA+ and then you would demonised by the orange baby and his followers. Biden was a puppet of the hawks and arms companies and I am glad to see the back of him but I am struggling to grasp how anyone with an IQ over 30 thinks that Trump and Vance should be allowed take the reins of the US, there are straighter corkscrews than Trump.

The grass is always greener.

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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 17:43 - Jul 28 with 1973 viewsGaryT

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 16:28 - Jul 28 by Match82

"Food prices have gone up alarmingly all over the world and coincidentally, so have corporate profits. The excuse of "supply chain issues" has turned out to be total BS, they just a bunch of greedy MF's. Trumps tax cuts added trillions to the debt and did very little to help the average American. The media has to take most of the blame for the way people 'feel' about the economy and crime. Only many years later are we able to look back at the numbers and see that it was the opposite of what the media was telling us (depending on which media you are listening to of course)."


I'm just going to respond to this bit because I think I can add some relevant context. I've worked for a couple different large food/drink corporations before and since COVID and been involved in some of the discussions at board level. Realistically it's both greed/ambition and supply chains right? Corporations have aggressive goals. If every business is looking to grow market share they can't all succeed. Likewise they've all got aggressive plans to improve profitability.

I worked for one company in 2017/2018 that when the corporate tax cuts came in that were theoretically going to be passed onto employees and/or consumers literally stood up in a town hall meeting and said "we understand that you might be expecting this to be passed on but we are under our profitability targets for the year so we're going to take it and reward our shareholders, and use it to try and be in a stronger position for next year". Corporate greed.

On the other hand, Ukraine was responsible for close to HALF of the worlds sunflower oil production in 2021. The war has genuinely led to a massive shortage and therefore massive spike in the cost, if you are buying a product which is made with sunflower oil it's going to be much more expensive today than three years ago. Not suggesting that all raw materials have gone up that much obviously. But now the rising price of food also means wages go up and so do costs. It's a horrible vicious cycle.

I'll say in my experience and from speaking to other people in the industry that profitability margin of food/drink companies isnt that much higher if at all than it was pre COVID - though in absolute dollars it's probably higher.

And though this isn't a point that you've made, the idea that there's some shadowy cabal is orchestrating the events of the world is hilarious. It's not a conspiracy just a huge number of people with varying levels of money and influence trying to get more of what people like that want - more money and influence - and stacking the deck accordingly.


Ok, just one more.

The supply chain issue excuse made sense and that's why everyone begrudgingly put up with the price increases because we understood they were just passing on their extra expenses to the consumer (although they could have taken a cut in profits, just a little bit, to help out, would that have killed them?). Then some time later they show their profit and loss accounts and...hold up! Many of them are showing record, never seen before, off the scale, once in a life time sky high profits, wtf!

I have a friend who owns a large business in Norway and he's very much of the mindset that companies can charge whatever price they like and if people can't afford it, too bad. For products like luxury clothing or designer handbags, I couldn't give a shit. If someone is happy to pay $5k for a handbag, they'll pay $10k so I have no sympathy for those consumers but when you have to stop buying everyday foods because, no matter which supermarket you go to, the prices have doubled in the last 4 years, that's pretty messed up. I happen to be the one who does the shopping and cooking in the house and I no longer buy salmon, beef steaks (even the cheaper cuts) or even baked beans! because I refuse to pay the massively inflated prices. I'm in Spain by the way but I was in the UK last month and I could see a lot of foods are actually much cheaper in the UK than they are in Spain, which was a little surprising and for me, quite annoying (€1.50 for a tin of Heinz baked beans! and that's this month, they've been €1.75 for the last two years, they were 79 cents in 2019. Bastards).

I call it the squeezing of the golden goose. I know companies have to make a profit but to squeeze the public so much they have to choose between eating and heating... just so they can buy another yacht, it just stinks of the last days of the Roman empire to me. "Make hay while the sun shines boys because the sun is going down fast and it's never coming back up". There you go, there's a good conspiracy theory for you.

https://groundworkcollaborative.org/work/inflation-revelation-how-outsized-corpo
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 17:53 - Jul 28 with 1966 viewsloftupper

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 15:56 - Jul 28 by texasranger

I quite agree with all your sentiments about Trump except for the label 'ignoramus' which I think is a gross mis-justice for a man who has achieved so much. Forthright, even blunt perhaps, but the world was a safer place with him in power.


Agree that name calling is not healthy but to be fair that is Trump's domain, calling people dumb, even making fun of a disabled journalist.

He embodies the idea that if you have no principles you cannot be held accountable to them.
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 20:16 - Jul 28 with 1839 viewsSonofpugwash


Poll: Dykes - love him or hate him?

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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 20:18 - Jul 28 with 1841 viewsJuzzie

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 20:16 - Jul 28 by Sonofpugwash



Whoever created that meme has got socialism and communism mixed up.
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 21:28 - Jul 28 with 1770 viewsconnell10

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 14:38 - Jul 28 by CLAREMAN1995

Instead of putting so called "nut jobs " who are all QPR fans who you interact with week after week maybe you should join this conversation and add something constructive like all the rest.
This thread is not only very informative but important and its not all a Donald Trump love/hate fest but a Kamala Harris one and more important a facinating look into what people see as America's future going forward .
Ignoring the opinions on here is idiotic IMO we are all adults whether discussing QPR or world events and seeing point/counterpoint is eye opening and maybe we can just simply agree to disagree like a conversation round a table .


Nah I can't be bothered, I hate Trump and that's it , so basically that's where I stand. I don't care if you support Rangers or not to be honest.

AND WHEN I DREAM , I DREAM ABOUT YOU AND WHEN I SCREAM I SCREAM ABOUT YOU!!!!!
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 02:12 - Jul 29 with 1665 viewsSydneyRs

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:57 - Jul 28 by Sonofpugwash

Mattress Queen Harris "surging in the polls".
93% of people asked said "polls are bollox".


Well, comments like that are really adding to the debate and will help win people over to your way of thinking.

You are a fan of Trump, clearly. Yet alleged promiscuity by Harris (yet to see any evidence to support such claims btw) leads you to use the term "mattress queen" whereas he can do and say what he likes ('grab them by the p***y" for example) in this regard. How come its ok for him, given your clearly high moral standards in this area?
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 02:27 - Jul 29 with 1659 viewsSydneyRs

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 02:20 - Jul 28 by CLAREMAN1995

That is a very fair reply GaryT and I respect your opinion and applaud the fact you are up to date with the US political sitaution right now.
The video says I enjoy a laugh and while they could have cut out her own voiceover its very accurate sadly for residents of the USA.
I am not a card carrying member of the Trump militia and have no real answers to all your questions just a few observations.
Every week I compare my income and bank balances and like most people are way off compare to the Trump years .He was an outsider and ruthless busisnessman so could not be controlled or manilupated so he ran the country like a business and fuel was $2.00 a gallon while this evening its $4.49 .Food prices have doubled in 4 years probably effected by Covid etc but that takes a huge bite .
The US ecomony depends heavily on Construction and Trumps low interest rates was the key to its boom time now its triple and housing in critical markets like Vegas and Florida is tanking which the rest could follow this winter .
No point in bringing up crime its an epedinic and rolls on every day regardless .
Going against the majority of posters on here Trump is not a war monger and we are closer to WW3 with whoever is running the US right now than any time during his presidency .That does frighten a lot of Americans and it should worry her allies too because they will not sit on the sidelines if America attacks Iran or anywhere else.
Biden is not in charge and worse he is a lame duck so he can be blamed if the powers behind the scenes start something or someone attacks a rudderless USA
Russia and China flew bombers over US airspace in Alaska this week just to see who is running the show the World is watching


I understand the concerns about the economy, but I think it is unfair to give Trump credit for that or blame the current incumbents for higher interest rates etc.

The issues with inflation are global. Australia, UK, Europe have all grappled with it along with the USA. Interest rates have risen everywhere. Petrol is related to oil prices which sunk to unrealistically low levels due to covid lockdowns (nobody was travelling) and have now increased again. It wasn't because of some Trump masterstroke. How can he or anyone else control the oil price?

UK had a right wing govt during the last few years, as did Australia when the inflation issue started post pandemic. Whether govts were left or right leaning could not help avoid what was a global problem largely caused by pandemic related supply chain issues (with a healthy dose of corporate greed).

Trump also threatened North Korea and only the fact they bottled it (which was far from certain) prevented major problems there. I don't get this angle that he's some sort of peacemaker. Given the right (or wrong I suppose) circumstances I think he'd turn out to be anything but, due to his enormous ego.

I don't think Harris is brilliant, but I do think she's a safer option than Trump, who has offered nothing but personality politics so far and draconian policies such as banning abortion. Project 2025 also is highly concerning and completely goes against the idea of the US being the bastion of freedom. He's also making comments about nobody having to vote again if he gets back in, having already stacked the supreme court with judges that support his way of thinking.
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 09:26 - Jul 29 with 1514 viewsOrthodox_Hoop

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 16:32 - Jul 28 by Esox_Lucius

Unless you were Black, Hispanic, female, LGBTQIA+ and then you would demonised by the orange baby and his followers. Biden was a puppet of the hawks and arms companies and I am glad to see the back of him but I am struggling to grasp how anyone with an IQ over 30 thinks that Trump and Vance should be allowed take the reins of the US, there are straighter corkscrews than Trump.


You've been continuously race baiting on this thread. In an earlier post you pointed out VPOTUS' race and sex as if that's the only thing she has going for her. A much wiser man than me once said: Racism is not dead, but it is on life support — kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as “racists." But hey, you do you and keep your shadowboxing crusade against muh oppression.

Other than your orangeman baaad soundbites I'd love to hear your opinion on why current polls show 12%-16% of African Americans support Trump, 36% of the Hispanic vote leans towards him, Asian 29% (you forgot that demographic, bit exclusionist of you), women 40%? I can't seem to find a poll for the LGBTQIA+ community, but given there's an actual organisation called "Gays For Trump" I imagine there's aportion of them who lean towards him too. Are you suggesting they all have and IQ less than 30?
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 10:17 - Jul 29 with 1447 viewsSonic_Hoop

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 09:26 - Jul 29 by Orthodox_Hoop

You've been continuously race baiting on this thread. In an earlier post you pointed out VPOTUS' race and sex as if that's the only thing she has going for her. A much wiser man than me once said: Racism is not dead, but it is on life support — kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as “racists." But hey, you do you and keep your shadowboxing crusade against muh oppression.

Other than your orangeman baaad soundbites I'd love to hear your opinion on why current polls show 12%-16% of African Americans support Trump, 36% of the Hispanic vote leans towards him, Asian 29% (you forgot that demographic, bit exclusionist of you), women 40%? I can't seem to find a poll for the LGBTQIA+ community, but given there's an actual organisation called "Gays For Trump" I imagine there's aportion of them who lean towards him too. Are you suggesting they all have and IQ less than 30?


Quoting Sowell? Even the arch apologist for capitalism & social and economic injustices believed Trump was dangerous, until he cynically didn't.

"If ever there was a time when we needed a serious, mature president of the United States, with a depth of knowledge and a foundation of personal character -- a grownup in the White House -- this is that time. But seldom a week goes by without Donald Trump demonstrating, yet again, that he is painfully lacking in all these prerequisites."

Instead of offering coherent plans for dealing with the nation's problems, Trump skips that and boasts of the great things he will achieve. Those who dare to question are answered with cheap put-downs, often at a gutter level.

A man in his 60s, who is still acting like a spoiled adolescent, is not going to grow up in the next four years. And, as president, he would have the lives of us all, and our loved ones, in his hands, as well as the fate of this great nation at a fateful time.

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/trump-would-be-a-dangerous-choice-

Your last question to Essox is really "why do people vote against their own best interests?" False consciousness, cultural hegemony, the right's convincing a large section of the population that the elites they should be directing their anger and frustration at are liberals & their values rather than the capitalist class. There are plenty of explanations, none of which rely on Trump being a sensible option for anyone in those groups.
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 10:41 - Jul 29 with 1406 viewsBazzaInTheLoft

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 10:17 - Jul 29 by Sonic_Hoop

Quoting Sowell? Even the arch apologist for capitalism & social and economic injustices believed Trump was dangerous, until he cynically didn't.

"If ever there was a time when we needed a serious, mature president of the United States, with a depth of knowledge and a foundation of personal character -- a grownup in the White House -- this is that time. But seldom a week goes by without Donald Trump demonstrating, yet again, that he is painfully lacking in all these prerequisites."

Instead of offering coherent plans for dealing with the nation's problems, Trump skips that and boasts of the great things he will achieve. Those who dare to question are answered with cheap put-downs, often at a gutter level.

A man in his 60s, who is still acting like a spoiled adolescent, is not going to grow up in the next four years. And, as president, he would have the lives of us all, and our loved ones, in his hands, as well as the fate of this great nation at a fateful time.

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/trump-would-be-a-dangerous-choice-

Your last question to Essox is really "why do people vote against their own best interests?" False consciousness, cultural hegemony, the right's convincing a large section of the population that the elites they should be directing their anger and frustration at are liberals & their values rather than the capitalist class. There are plenty of explanations, none of which rely on Trump being a sensible option for anyone in those groups.


A great post, except he’s 78!
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 10:45 - Jul 29 with 1393 viewsBazzaInTheLoft

A genuine question for those that support Trump AND Reform…

The electoral college system delivers for Trump as much as first past the post hinders Reform.

With that in mind would you advocate for PR in the US too?
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 11:03 - Jul 29 with 1352 viewsSheffieldHoop

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 10:45 - Jul 29 by BazzaInTheLoft

A genuine question for those that support Trump AND Reform…

The electoral college system delivers for Trump as much as first past the post hinders Reform.

With that in mind would you advocate for PR in the US too?


I'm not sure I really advocate for PR in the UK tbh, would let in far too many other minority interests, which could make parliament even more tratiorous than it is now. I'm more of an advocate for killing the current political consensus & both major parties. I believe that can (Might not, but can) happen in the next 10-20 years. Replace them with a new Post-Liberal party, which reverses some of the blatant injustices carried out in this country over the last at least 30 years, prob more. Economic left/right - I dunno, probably more left than I would like, but it's a sacrifice I'd be willing to make for a parliament that doesn't openly despise me and acts against my interests.

"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius

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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 11:12 - Jul 29 with 1324 viewsSheffieldHoop

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 09:26 - Jul 29 by Orthodox_Hoop

You've been continuously race baiting on this thread. In an earlier post you pointed out VPOTUS' race and sex as if that's the only thing she has going for her. A much wiser man than me once said: Racism is not dead, but it is on life support — kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as “racists." But hey, you do you and keep your shadowboxing crusade against muh oppression.

Other than your orangeman baaad soundbites I'd love to hear your opinion on why current polls show 12%-16% of African Americans support Trump, 36% of the Hispanic vote leans towards him, Asian 29% (you forgot that demographic, bit exclusionist of you), women 40%? I can't seem to find a poll for the LGBTQIA+ community, but given there's an actual organisation called "Gays For Trump" I imagine there's aportion of them who lean towards him too. Are you suggesting they all have and IQ less than 30?


You're right but you'll never be allowed to get away with posting facts like that on here. Their only comeback is that those are Turkeys voting for Christmas. Low IQ morons. 30% of Hispanic, 30% Asian Americans, 15% Black Americans......Sub 30 IQ morons.

#BeKind

"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius

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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 11:15 - Jul 29 with 1325 viewsOrthodox_Hoop

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 10:17 - Jul 29 by Sonic_Hoop

Quoting Sowell? Even the arch apologist for capitalism & social and economic injustices believed Trump was dangerous, until he cynically didn't.

"If ever there was a time when we needed a serious, mature president of the United States, with a depth of knowledge and a foundation of personal character -- a grownup in the White House -- this is that time. But seldom a week goes by without Donald Trump demonstrating, yet again, that he is painfully lacking in all these prerequisites."

Instead of offering coherent plans for dealing with the nation's problems, Trump skips that and boasts of the great things he will achieve. Those who dare to question are answered with cheap put-downs, often at a gutter level.

A man in his 60s, who is still acting like a spoiled adolescent, is not going to grow up in the next four years. And, as president, he would have the lives of us all, and our loved ones, in his hands, as well as the fate of this great nation at a fateful time.

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/trump-would-be-a-dangerous-choice-

Your last question to Essox is really "why do people vote against their own best interests?" False consciousness, cultural hegemony, the right's convincing a large section of the population that the elites they should be directing their anger and frustration at are liberals & their values rather than the capitalist class. There are plenty of explanations, none of which rely on Trump being a sensible option for anyone in those groups.


Some good points well made, and a refreshing change to the usual "I don't like orange man no matter what" - it's unfortunate you resort to ad hominem attacks rather than address the point I was making. Can I not quote Sowell? Do you disagree with the quote I used? Careful with your answer, as there are some on this thread who would accuse you of racism for calling out a free thinking African American like Sowell.

I won't go into why those communities have shifted towards voting for Trump, as that would be highly presumptuous of me as a straight white middle aged man - as members of a colourblind meritocracy I'm sure they have a good reason for it, foremost probably being the desire to have a strong economy, less chances of a global war and better future for their children without having to worry about the state deciding what's best for them at the expense of their parental rights.

And for what it's worth, I agree with Sowell's assessment of Trump. In an ideal world we'd have better options, but we are where we are - and the prospect of someone who isn't even supported fully by their own party becoming President is not a good option. The Democrats really messed up when they refused to even acknowledge the rise of RFK Jr.
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:04 - Jul 29 with 1218 viewsSonic_Hoop

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 11:15 - Jul 29 by Orthodox_Hoop

Some good points well made, and a refreshing change to the usual "I don't like orange man no matter what" - it's unfortunate you resort to ad hominem attacks rather than address the point I was making. Can I not quote Sowell? Do you disagree with the quote I used? Careful with your answer, as there are some on this thread who would accuse you of racism for calling out a free thinking African American like Sowell.

I won't go into why those communities have shifted towards voting for Trump, as that would be highly presumptuous of me as a straight white middle aged man - as members of a colourblind meritocracy I'm sure they have a good reason for it, foremost probably being the desire to have a strong economy, less chances of a global war and better future for their children without having to worry about the state deciding what's best for them at the expense of their parental rights.

And for what it's worth, I agree with Sowell's assessment of Trump. In an ideal world we'd have better options, but we are where we are - and the prospect of someone who isn't even supported fully by their own party becoming President is not a good option. The Democrats really messed up when they refused to even acknowledge the rise of RFK Jr.


It's not an ad-hominen attack to point out you're citing Sowell whose entire career is based on ignoring structural inequalities in favour of blaming those inequalities on what he sees as dysfunctional behaviour and values. The Irish for being drunks, rednecks and blacks for their aversion to work, neglect of education & sexual promiscuity etc. He actualĺy despises the average MAGA voter. Of course I disagree with the quote, on the basis that it's absolute nonsense.

I don't need to be careful of what I say, I'm not going to be accused of racism for pointing out the racism of Sowell's work, he's spent the last 30 years denigrating black American culture, it's an easy position to defend.
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:13 - Jul 29 with 1187 viewsSheffieldHoop

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:04 - Jul 29 by Sonic_Hoop

It's not an ad-hominen attack to point out you're citing Sowell whose entire career is based on ignoring structural inequalities in favour of blaming those inequalities on what he sees as dysfunctional behaviour and values. The Irish for being drunks, rednecks and blacks for their aversion to work, neglect of education & sexual promiscuity etc. He actualĺy despises the average MAGA voter. Of course I disagree with the quote, on the basis that it's absolute nonsense.

I don't need to be careful of what I say, I'm not going to be accused of racism for pointing out the racism of Sowell's work, he's spent the last 30 years denigrating black American culture, it's an easy position to defend.


Surely if you are a Black American, you're allowed to spend the last however many years "denigrating" black American culture, without being charged with "racism" ?

When comedians in the UK denigrate British culture - Whether they are black, white, Asian....Whatever. They don't get accused of being racist. Odd post.

"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius

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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:31 - Jul 29 with 1128 viewsStJude82

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 00:39 - Jul 28 by GaryT

This didn't get the credit it deserves.

A slave is raped by her slave owner which results in the slave giving birth to a child. Kamala Harris happens to be one of the decedents of that child but instead of acknowledging the hateful crime that was committed, the rapist slave owner (and something he said to William Wilberforce) is held up as the reason why you should hate on KH.

That is several levels of disgusting and I've just seen that StJude has downvoted my video of Trump saying he's going to end elections. We've got a live one folks, I can't begin to imagine what hoops you have to go through to become that hateful and follow a guy so slavishly (pun intended) that wants to drive your country off a cliff. Scary stuff.

*edit* Oh I should also add, in my post about E Jean Carroll, I ended with "I genuinely would like to hear what you have to say if you do make it to the end." I did get a response, it was to down vote my post. And that my friends is why America is f*cked because there's millions of them just the same and there's absolutely no talking to them.

As my old man once said, you can't reason with an unreasonable mind.
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Firstly, GaryT, can we tone it down a bit. I simply pointed out a fact. According to Donald J. Harris, his ancestor MARRIED into the family of Hamilton Brown. A man who described William Wilberforce as "cloven-footed". Secondly, I am not a US citizen and do not have a vote. That said, as we are now a vassal state of the US, it bothers me that the country is being run in an overtly anti-democratic way. For what it is worth, if I did have a vote, I would vote for RFK Jnr. If the Democrat party was anything near it's former FDR/JFK self then he would surely be their candidate. Trump has been character assassinated from day 1 of taking on the una-party. Then they change laws to prosecute him for things like accountancy errors that his accountant was surely responsible for. They also changed the law regarding the Carroll case. Have you read her testimony? Do you really believe it? Or do you just hate Trump so much that you want it to be true. Trump used to be an old fashioned liberal Democrat, loved by everyone. Now he's Hitler. Hitler controlled the media and had people killed that tried to take him on. Sound familiar? Be objective. Be balanced.
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:34 - Jul 29 with 1118 viewsBazzaInTheLoft

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 11:03 - Jul 29 by SheffieldHoop

I'm not sure I really advocate for PR in the UK tbh, would let in far too many other minority interests, which could make parliament even more tratiorous than it is now. I'm more of an advocate for killing the current political consensus & both major parties. I believe that can (Might not, but can) happen in the next 10-20 years. Replace them with a new Post-Liberal party, which reverses some of the blatant injustices carried out in this country over the last at least 30 years, prob more. Economic left/right - I dunno, probably more left than I would like, but it's a sacrifice I'd be willing to make for a parliament that doesn't openly despise me and acts against my interests.


Can you see how stopping minority interests could be the curtailing of freedoms you often say you are subject to?
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:42 - Jul 29 with 1087 viewsSonic_Hoop

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:13 - Jul 29 by SheffieldHoop

Surely if you are a Black American, you're allowed to spend the last however many years "denigrating" black American culture, without being charged with "racism" ?

When comedians in the UK denigrate British culture - Whether they are black, white, Asian....Whatever. They don't get accused of being racist. Odd post.


On your first point, nobody is "charging" him with being racist, just pointing out the racism in his ideological position.

On your second point, they do get erroneously accused of racism all the time, but only by stupid racists who can't distinguish between between race and culture.
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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:48 - Jul 29 with 1055 viewsSheffieldHoop

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:31 - Jul 29 by StJude82

Firstly, GaryT, can we tone it down a bit. I simply pointed out a fact. According to Donald J. Harris, his ancestor MARRIED into the family of Hamilton Brown. A man who described William Wilberforce as "cloven-footed". Secondly, I am not a US citizen and do not have a vote. That said, as we are now a vassal state of the US, it bothers me that the country is being run in an overtly anti-democratic way. For what it is worth, if I did have a vote, I would vote for RFK Jnr. If the Democrat party was anything near it's former FDR/JFK self then he would surely be their candidate. Trump has been character assassinated from day 1 of taking on the una-party. Then they change laws to prosecute him for things like accountancy errors that his accountant was surely responsible for. They also changed the law regarding the Carroll case. Have you read her testimony? Do you really believe it? Or do you just hate Trump so much that you want it to be true. Trump used to be an old fashioned liberal Democrat, loved by everyone. Now he's Hitler. Hitler controlled the media and had people killed that tried to take him on. Sound familiar? Be objective. Be balanced.


I think anybody who actually kept up with that Jean E Carroll case was left utterly convinced - I dunno how anybody could still be taking the "Orange man bad" line after seeing that shitshow. If you don't claim to have the faintest interest in politics, then fine, you're gonna believe what the media tells you to. But watch that Anderson Cooper interview, watch every single subsequent interview she done while flanked by panicked lawyers.....Just look at it and tell me you still think Trump's rhetoric is the biggest issue in US politics.


New triggernometry dropped with Peter Thiel last night, I haven't watched/listened to it yet but if people on here want to understand why people watch this kind of content over anything the Legacy media puts out.....This is why. You wouldn't see it on the BBC. They'd turn it into some crappy hit piece about his lack of concern for the environment or some "Promoting fake news" bullshit for saying something true that they disagree with.

"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius

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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:51 - Jul 29 with 1044 viewsSheffieldHoop

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:34 - Jul 29 by BazzaInTheLoft

Can you see how stopping minority interests could be the curtailing of freedoms you often say you are subject to?


I really could not care less. Minority interests have been put front and center for just about my entire life in this country. I'm bored of it.

"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius

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BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 14:03 - Jul 29 with 1696 viewsSheffieldHoop

BIden v Trump - and we thought our options were poor !! on 13:42 - Jul 29 by Sonic_Hoop

On your first point, nobody is "charging" him with being racist, just pointing out the racism in his ideological position.

On your second point, they do get erroneously accused of racism all the time, but only by stupid racists who can't distinguish between between race and culture.


Well, not really. You are calling him racist because that's what your side does by default. The fact he's a black man talking about issues affecting the black community appears to have gone completely over your head. Imo it's a sign that you're so used to speaking to, and about white people only, that it completely slipped your mind that black people exist who aren't necessarily on board with the whole leftism/anti-racist politics thing. Low IQ I expect you'd dismiss them as.

White comedians who make 1 joke that is perceived by somebody somewhere as "racist" get cancelled. Guz Khan has a stand up show where he openly says "I'm 2% racist" (I Think we know which 2% that's against) and gets given a series on BBC3.
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"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius

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