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This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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favourite cheese mature Cheddar. FFS there is no such thing as the EPL
Remember there are hundreds of millions of people in the world who don’t get to choose their leaders. Millions who have died for us to go to ballot box and express our voice. Just 150 years ago the vast majority of us on this site, probably all of us, would not have been allowed to vote.
Please use your vote in some capacity (even if that’s spoiling it). With the rise of populism - bordering on fascism - around western democracies this matters.
Use. Your. Vote.
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General Election Thread on 08:01 - Jul 4 with 1281 views
A light breakfast of Smoked kippers and devilled kidneys partaken.
Sudbury yellow needle corduroy trousers and 9oz horn button, welt pocket Hackett blazer deployed.
A Vote for reform Cast.
In all seriousness , I can see us getting 4 million + votes, approx 15% + of the vote share, resulting in 2 to 3 paltry seats. I read today hat the Lib dem's will acheive less than half of that total and yet accrue 50 seats..
Modern day democracy, it's a grotesque victorian freak show for working class scum such as I to imbibe and choke upon. The Bitterest Pill.
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The Duke Of New York. A-Number One.
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General Election Thread on 08:14 - Jul 4 with 1262 views
General Election Thread on 20:20 - Jul 3 by TacticalR
Some random thoughts:
1. Prior to the election I kept asking myself: are we witnessing the crisis of a political party (the Tories), or the crisis of a social system? Most commentators talk as though austerity and decline merely have been lifestyle choices of the Tories.
2. On the whole the people who want to see changes underestimate what will be necessary to make those changes. Many assume that those changes can take place within the existing social order. I felt that quite strongly during the Corbyn craze, but it also applies to ideas like the Johnson's 'levelling up agenda'.
3. We live in very strange times when politicians no longer promise to do anything. In fact they make a great virtue of out not promising to do anything.
4. Gaza. I can't remember an issue like this that has so compromised the ruling class, day after day
a. It has exposed the complete unity of Labour and the Tories in support of Israel, at a time when it appears that the majority are opposed to Israel's actions. b. There is no longer a safety valve (previously provided by the Labour left) within the major parties. In the past, when there was an apparent left in Labour, people could imagine that somehow that left was going to one day take over Labour and change its policies. That was one of the reasons why the left was tolerated in the Labour Party. c. Anti-semitism, Labour's weapon of choice against its internal enemies, is crumbling as a credible charge. The beauty of anti-semitism from Starmer's point of view was that you didn't have to get into discussions about Socialism or any aspect of policy, you could just purge without question. d. Humanitarian intervention has been the Western justification for war for decades. That cover has now been blown.
This seems like a few thoughts before a rant about why we can't be mean to Jews.
I'd say Gaza has barely been a factor in the election whatsoever. There's a few Independents in inner cities who are standing on a Pro Palestinian platform, but none of them are going to win (maybe Corbyn squeeks it)
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General Election Thread on 08:25 - Jul 4 with 1240 views
General Election Thread on 08:14 - Jul 4 by BAWHoops
This seems like a few thoughts before a rant about why we can't be mean to Jews.
I'd say Gaza has barely been a factor in the election whatsoever. There's a few Independents in inner cities who are standing on a Pro Palestinian platform, but none of them are going to win (maybe Corbyn squeeks it)
TR isn't saying it is having a big bearing on the results of the election, he is saying that it is an issue over which there is an enormous disconnect between public opinion and the politicians of our two largest political parties.
Clearly people see giving the Tories an enormous kicking as their number 1 priority, but that doesn't mean that the majority of people are not aware that politicians across the spectrum are complicit in normalising an historic travesty.
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General Election Thread on 08:35 - Jul 4 with 1223 views
I noticed that 3 GB tennis players got asked if they were going to be voting today and they all basically said NO and not interested. I wonder how much of that attitude across the country will be going on today? I think we can get so wrapped up in following the latest on the elections and talking within a circle of people who are quite interested but I get the impression there is a huge proportion of our population who are completely apathetic to the whole thing. Which is a shame. I'd imagine we may actually get a broader political debate and be able to put pressure on the government to actually do what they say and not just make empty promises all the time.
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General Election Thread on 08:44 - Jul 4 with 1206 views
TR isn't saying it is having a big bearing on the results of the election, he is saying that it is an issue over which there is an enormous disconnect between public opinion and the politicians of our two largest political parties.
Clearly people see giving the Tories an enormous kicking as their number 1 priority, but that doesn't mean that the majority of people are not aware that politicians across the spectrum are complicit in normalising an historic travesty.
In the age of social media I think it’s easy to mistake a loud whining minority as being representative of a majority. People have far better things to worry about mostly.
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General Election Thread on 09:06 - Jul 4 with 1124 views
General Election Thread on 08:44 - Jul 4 by Watford_Ranger
In the age of social media I think it’s easy to mistake a loud whining minority as being representative of a majority. People have far better things to worry about mostly.
I'm not basing that observation on social media "whining" I'm basing it on the frequent opinion polling on the issue.
Being allowed to vote in a free and open election is a privilege that millions across the world don't have and would dearly like. People die for the chance. Don't take it for granted.
Don't spoil your vote. That proves nothing, use it.
Vote for someone, anyone. Except that lot obviously, don't vote for them. Choose someone else.
--- Climbs off hobbyhorse ---
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General Election Thread on 10:22 - Jul 4 with 1753 views
So, we're going to get a new government. Maybe it's because I've just had a cup of coffee and the sun is shining, but I can't help feeling optimistic, in the same way that I feel optimistic at the start of every new football season (bar last!). I know this is an utterly naive optimism, but I can't help feeling it.
There is always the hope that our country can come together for the better, and there's no doubt we need to erase the toxic legacy of the last 14 years. We have become a deeply divided nation under the Tories, and no matter what your political persuasion, that is not a good thing.
My wish for the changing of the guard is that we can come together as nation and feel good about this country, instead of constantly denigrating it. It's an old saw that England only ever win anything in football under a Labour government. So basically, it's down to Gareth Southgate...
Anyway, I am looking forward to the new season. I have enjoyed debating this election with you all, even those who have vehemently opposed my views. We might as well accept that underneath it all, we are all united by our common humanity. And here, at least, we're all Rangers. Come on URRRRRRssss.
General Election Thread on 08:44 - Jul 4 by Watford_Ranger
In the age of social media I think it’s easy to mistake a loud whining minority as being representative of a majority. People have far better things to worry about mostly.
I accept that many would not consider Gaza to be a priority in how they vote today, but your comment that "People have far better things to worry about mostly" is extraordinarily galling.
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General Election Thread on 10:27 - Jul 4 with 1713 views
General Election Thread on 10:20 - Jul 4 by Lanhoop
--- Climbs on hobbyhorse. ---
Vote. Please.
Being allowed to vote in a free and open election is a privilege that millions across the world don't have and would dearly like. People die for the chance. Don't take it for granted.
Don't spoil your vote. That proves nothing, use it.
Vote for someone, anyone. Except that lot obviously, don't vote for them. Choose someone else.
--- Climbs off hobbyhorse ---
For the first time in 45 years I didn’t know where to put my cross.I couldn’t vote for the tories,even though they will obviously still win up here. The labour clown was suspended for betting on the Tory to win.I couldn’t bring myself to support Farage and his storm troopers,and we had 3 independent candidates standing,so that would be a wasted vote. The choice was between the Greens or Lib Dems.It was hopefully a tactical vote to oust Frank Spencer for the greedy party.
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General Election Thread on 10:37 - Jul 4 with 1652 views
I accept that many would not consider Gaza to be a priority in how they vote today, but your comment that "People have far better things to worry about mostly" is extraordinarily galling.
Galling maybe but I expect it’s true. Cost of living, your kid’s school, the NHS, social care, crime, immigration and whatever else in varying orders. Anyone for whom it’s their number one concern is in a privileged minority.
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General Election Thread on 10:37 - Jul 4 with 1648 views
For the first time in 45 years I didn’t know where to put my cross.I couldn’t vote for the tories,even though they will obviously still win up here. The labour clown was suspended for betting on the Tory to win.I couldn’t bring myself to support Farage and his storm troopers,and we had 3 independent candidates standing,so that would be a wasted vote. The choice was between the Greens or Lib Dems.It was hopefully a tactical vote to oust Frank Spencer for the greedy party.
I know quite a few people in Suffolk as I visit frequently. They are mostly Labour and a couple of Tories but they are all voting Lib Dem this time.
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General Election Thread on 10:42 - Jul 4 with 1627 views
I've been out to cast my vote this morning as I started my run (polling station just 400m away). Guy on the door saw me coming and assumed I didn't have ID until I whipped it out the bum pocket in my shorts. Charming.
One thing that's actually big for me on a local level, whether its general elections or council elections, is do the candidates in my area live in my area? The party I've voted for does have its candidate living in the constituency, but if they didn't I wouldn't vote for them even if I backed the party.
Our Conservative candidate for Leicester West however, has his address in Chelsea & Fulham, and our Reform one in Melton & Syston.
How can people expect to represent an area, or understand the needs and concerns of its residents, if they can't be bothered to live there? Get in the sea with that garbage.
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General Election Thread on 10:54 - Jul 4 with 1594 views
I would encourage everyone to help in the utter destruction of the Conservative party today. It is no more than they deserve after the last few years and hopefully its a learning experience for them.
As for the S*n turncoats now supporting Labour, that should reassure anyone worried that a bunch of mad "woke leftists" are about to take over. Wouldn't it be nice to see a day where newspapers and other media outlets aren't telling anyone who to vote for?
Popcorn ready, hopefully a few big names fall in Michael Portillo style. Look how much nicer he is doing TV shows about trains in colourful clothing than he was as a politician.
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General Election Thread on 11:03 - Jul 4 with 1561 views
General Election Thread on 10:37 - Jul 4 by Watford_Ranger
Galling maybe but I expect it’s true. Cost of living, your kid’s school, the NHS, social care, crime, immigration and whatever else in varying orders. Anyone for whom it’s their number one concern is in a privileged minority.
The bombing of Yemen on behalf of Israel cost £19,000,000. That’s before we include the 60 flights to Israel whose purpose remain unknown.
That’s 680 nurse salaries.
If the moral consequences of 30,000 dead children aren’t a consideration, fine, but consider the fiscal ones.
General Election Thread on 10:42 - Jul 4 by slmrstid
I've been out to cast my vote this morning as I started my run (polling station just 400m away). Guy on the door saw me coming and assumed I didn't have ID until I whipped it out the bum pocket in my shorts. Charming.
One thing that's actually big for me on a local level, whether its general elections or council elections, is do the candidates in my area live in my area? The party I've voted for does have its candidate living in the constituency, but if they didn't I wouldn't vote for them even if I backed the party.
Our Conservative candidate for Leicester West however, has his address in Chelsea & Fulham, and our Reform one in Melton & Syston.
How can people expect to represent an area, or understand the needs and concerns of its residents, if they can't be bothered to live there? Get in the sea with that garbage.
Depends. Often you’re probably right. If it’s an expensive area and young candidate they’ve maybe been priced out. Maybe they grew up there and moved away. There should really be a limit of X miles or something but I think being in a close constituency is fine or you’d be restricting candidates in some affluent areas to being either wealthy or in council.
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General Election Thread on 11:32 - Jul 4 with 1465 views
I’m not opening a link from those nutty grifters but honestly it’s not a topic I’m going to pretend to understand in amazing detail but have had some insight into over the course of my life from both sides and as money spent goes it would be well down my list of ‘wastes’ to be irked about. Others will disagree and that’s fine. Others will consider it a big priority and not vote how they otherwise would and that’s fine too. I just can’t say it’s up there compared to all the other stuff just as Ukraine wasn’t/isn’t.
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General Election Thread on 11:42 - Jul 4 with 1436 views
General Election Thread on 10:37 - Jul 4 by colinallcars
I know quite a few people in Suffolk as I visit frequently. They are mostly Labour and a couple of Tories but they are all voting Lib Dem this time.
I thought long and hard about the best option to oust the Tory here,but I think it’s a forlorn hope rather than a probability as they’ve always had a Tory here,except when Poulter jumped ship to labour 3 months ago. I have only seen 1 Tory poster though,so there maybe some hope.
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General Election Thread on 11:44 - Jul 4 with 1427 views
General Election Thread on 11:32 - Jul 4 by Watford_Ranger
I’m not opening a link from those nutty grifters but honestly it’s not a topic I’m going to pretend to understand in amazing detail but have had some insight into over the course of my life from both sides and as money spent goes it would be well down my list of ‘wastes’ to be irked about. Others will disagree and that’s fine. Others will consider it a big priority and not vote how they otherwise would and that’s fine too. I just can’t say it’s up there compared to all the other stuff just as Ukraine wasn’t/isn’t.
‘Nutty grifters’ 😆
Part of this country’s problem is we prefer £3m journalists who pull burgers out their top pockets and talk about nationalising sausages.
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