| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich 13:02 - Feb 14 with 119105 views | loftboy |
Should the worst happen and the Russians invade, I suspect that many rich Russians in the UK will be part of the proposed sanctions, could this affect our foes down the road? |  |
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| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 00:46 - Mar 17 with 4421 views | LythamR |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 19:44 - Mar 16 by Juzzie |
“…… so why a 2 decade delay in action?”
I would hazard a guess that Roman’s plan worked. Make Chelsea so successful it has afforded him all sorts of protection. |
2 decades of snouts in troughs. unfortunately for them they finally have had to act |  | | |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 12:49 - Mar 17 with 4180 views | Juzzie |
"Russia’s demand that NATO cease its expansion to Russia’s borders...."
The are further other references to NATO 'expanding' in the article.
As far as I understand it NATO does not 'expand' as such. Countries ask to be considered to join. |  | | |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 12:59 - Mar 17 with 4151 views | LythamR |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 12:49 - Mar 17 by Juzzie |
"Russia’s demand that NATO cease its expansion to Russia’s borders...."
The are further other references to NATO 'expanding' in the article.
As far as I understand it NATO does not 'expand' as such. Countries ask to be considered to join. |
and if a country joins, Nato expands. accurate by any definition i am aware of | | | |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 13:01 - Mar 17 with 4140 views | Juzzie |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 12:59 - Mar 17 by LythamR |
and if a country joins, Nato expands. accurate by any definition i am aware of |
I think though that the suggestion is that NATO pursues expansion (maybe it does) rather than it happens by request. | | | |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 13:15 - Mar 17 with 4092 views | LythamR |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 13:01 - Mar 17 by Juzzie |
I think though that the suggestion is that NATO pursues expansion (maybe it does) rather than it happens by request. |
Well if you consider what Nato looked like in 1997 compared to now you would have to say that it has followed an expansionist policy after all its completely within their remit to allow new memberships
The USA in particular but also UK and other western nation have multiple reasons to want expansion, as well as the increased defensive buffer it also opens up new markets for US/UK Munitions and military equipment sales
For clarity I am not saying thats right or wrong just that it is a fact. | | | |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 13:34 - Mar 17 with 4043 views | Konk |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 13:15 - Mar 17 by LythamR |
Well if you consider what Nato looked like in 1997 compared to now you would have to say that it has followed an expansionist policy after all its completely within their remit to allow new memberships
The USA in particular but also UK and other western nation have multiple reasons to want expansion, as well as the increased defensive buffer it also opens up new markets for US/UK Munitions and military equipment sales
For clarity I am not saying thats right or wrong just that it is a fact. |
Germany and others have also arguably spent far less on defence than they might otherwise have done, because of the protection afforded them by NATO membership. You could also argue that allowing countries such as Poland, the Baltics etc, who Putin sees as part of the Russian sphere of influence, to join, makes it more likely that NATO will have to invoke article 5 in Europe at some stage. Having seen what’s gone on in Georgia since 2008 and Ukraine since 2014, you can particularly see why the Baltic states would want membership. |  |
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| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 17:00 - Mar 17 with 3936 views | themodfather |
Putin wants the old soviet union back, wants the cold war . many old russians no not want it back, he might they don't .
has a NATO tank ever rolled over a border in anger? NO.
has a russian tank? yes, many times . who is the aggressor? the world is being held to ransom with nuclear war and fear rockets will be used.
his men used polonium in london, nerve agents in salisbury etc not good |  | | |
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| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 22:12 - Mar 18 with 3680 views | dmm |
Despite assurances given that there would be no further NATO creeping eastwards, since 1997 14 countries joined. That is those countries' right to choose but given America dominates NATO, it's no surprise Russia has felt threatened.
Putin has used this NATO creep as reason for his invasion of Ukraine but many think it's an excuse. Putin wants to re-establish Russia as a world power and he sees himself as a second Peter the Great who started the expansion of the Russian empire. |  | | |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 23:09 - Mar 18 with 3628 views | swisscottage |
by that piece it would be ok for the West to invade Belarus after Putin's coercion into a client state at the point they were starting to lean to the west.
hardly surprising a Putin apologists piece comes out of that quagmire of Marxist anti-democracy, pro authoritarian bollox. | | | |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 10:04 - Mar 19 with 3421 views | izlingtonhoop |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 23:33 - Mar 18 by DannyPaddox |
I genuinely found this powerful and moving. I hope somehow Russian soldiers and a good chunk of the Russian populace get to see it. And as a footnote if ever Hollywood decides to produce a Father Ted movie, Arnie is surely a shoe-in to play Father Jack. |
I'll be...
...FECK! |  | | |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 21:36 - Mar 19 with 3157 views | GloryHunter |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 23:33 - Mar 18 by DannyPaddox |
I genuinely found this powerful and moving. I hope somehow Russian soldiers and a good chunk of the Russian populace get to see it. And as a footnote if ever Hollywood decides to produce a Father Ted movie, Arnie is surely a shoe-in to play Father Jack. |
The Russians won't get to see it though, will they. Their media is too tightly controlled for that. |  | | |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 22:47 - Mar 19 with 3071 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 21:36 - Mar 19 by GloryHunter |
The Russians won't get to see it though, will they. Their media is too tightly controlled for that. |
Even if they did see it what would they do?
It reminded me of the Remain campaign videos. Look where that got us.
I mean are we seriously hedging our futures on Arnie? |  |
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| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 00:34 - Mar 20 with 3004 views | GaryT |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 22:47 - Mar 19 by CliveWilsonSaid |
Even if they did see it what would they do?
It reminded me of the Remain campaign videos. Look where that got us.
I mean are we seriously hedging our futures on Arnie? |
Well, the future is not set.  |  | | |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 02:12 - Mar 20 with 2962 views | Sharpy36 |
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| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 21:21 - Apr 14 with 2501 views | DWQPR |
Looks like the Ruskies have been a bit careless with their third biggest ship given that they have denied that the Ukrainians scored a direct hit on it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61114843
Shame. 😂 | |
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| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 21:57 - Apr 14 with 2408 views | stowmarketrange |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 21:21 - Apr 14 by DWQPR |
Looks like the Ruskies have been a bit careless with their third biggest ship given that they have denied that the Ukrainians scored a direct hit on it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61114843
Shame. 😂 |
Lost its balance eh?Thats a new one.Don’t tell uncle Albert. |  | | |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 01:17 - Apr 15 with 2222 views | Metallica_Hoop |
Never undererestimate the Russian bear.
They will keep coming as the Wehrmacht found out. (though thats a whole logisictial and tactical argument why they lost) *horses really*
As I mentioned before I hope they do a Finland. |  |
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| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 07:16 - Apr 15 with 2084 views | stowmarketrange |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 01:17 - Apr 15 by Metallica_Hoop |
Never undererestimate the Russian bear.
They will keep coming as the Wehrmacht found out. (though thats a whole logisictial and tactical argument why they lost) *horses really*
As I mentioned before I hope they do a Finland. |
It’s slightly different now as that was the old Soviet Union fighting the Germans during WW2,which meant they could use the Ukrainians,Latvians and others as cannon fodder to wear down their enemy.Now they only have native Russians to fight and die in their wars.
I can’t see Russian mothers putting up with their sons coming home in body bags for long this time. | | | |
| Russia, Ukraine & Abramovich on 20:08 - Apr 15 with 1937 views | Juzzie |
Well, we knew it anyway but the Kremlin have got caught out lying.
The initial reaction to the damage to the Moskva was that a fire onboard set the munitions room off and it wasn’t a Ukrainian strike.
Now they are saying it was hit by the Ukranian’s and retaliated by hitting the factory where the weapons are made and extra shelling back at Kiev.
So which is it, eh Putin? One of them is a lie.
What made me ‘laugh’ was this old guy on Russian state TV apoplectic that they dared to attack Russia. Not sure if he grasps the concept of battle.
Edit: seems like the official stance was the fire on board and the attack on the factory was in retaliation to Ukraine attacking a village. Either I’m misreading things or it’s chopping and changing.
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