| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread 14:35 - Dec 11 with 30055 views | HullDale |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 15:17 - Dec 12 with 4121 views | kel |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 13:56 - Dec 12 by EllDale |
We all know that the squad needs freshening up.
Some of these players aren’t just knackered physically but mentally.
When you’re tired you make mistakes simple as.
A fair few of them haven’t had to plays men’s football week in week out before either.
And they were all psyched up mentally for the cup tie versus Plymouth so that another two away games in six days afterwards has deflated them.
If they were tougher mentally they’d be playing at a higher level.
I’m not calling for the manager’s head but what worries me is that out of the cluster of teams below Dale in the table only a couple have still to come to Spotland.
We have to go to the likes of Oldham, Scunthorpe, Carlisle, Stevenage and Colchester where they will all be scrapping tooth and nail for the points.
Loose a couple of those and we could well and truly be in a relegation dogfight. |
I’d hazard a guess our lads will be scrapping for points too. That’s what footballers do. |  | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 15:59 - Dec 12 with 4028 views | kel |
I took it that he meant effort, not how many cards are dished out. | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 16:40 - Dec 12 with 3925 views | EllDale |
No way would I imply or believe that there would be a lack of effort.
I was just worried about mental toughness and resilience. |  | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 16:48 - Dec 12 with 3906 views | James1980 |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55450270
Looked to see where Notlob were after 21 games last season turns out they had only amassed a grand sum of 2 points more than we have after the same amount of games this season.
Also the 3 teams at the top after 21 games didn't go on to get promoted. The 2 teams at the bottom however did end up dropping down into national league.
I know the vast majority of folk here are much more level headed. I guess I'm just adding to the notion that there is absolutely no need to panic and for those to coming out with all Robbie out nonsense. | |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 17:10 - Dec 12 with 3848 views | BillyRudd |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:54 - Dec 12 by TVOS1907 |
Yes, obviously that's what I mean, as that's what started this in the first place!
If the pitch was an issue and it had appeared as such during the game on Wednesday, surely someone else would have mentioned it somewhere other than on iFollow or on here on Saturday night, as usually happens with most other in-game issues.
Even NigeriaMark never referred to it in his running commentary, as far as I can see.
And as I said, regardless of a subjective view about the pitch, it had zero influence on Wednesday's result, the way Dale and Hartlepool played or the goals we conceded! [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 10:59]
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Ah what a beautiful tool the English language is. So.... how can I put it? Literal. If you pardon the pun.
If you had only added the three little words "on this forum" then what is obvious to you would have also been obvious to me.
No matter, it was mentioned on the night by someone (not on this forum) who was also at the game taking their own subjective view.
Other than that I think we are in 100% agreement.
Up the Dale [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 17:12]
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 17:20 - Dec 12 with 3805 views | TVOS1907 |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 17:10 - Dec 12 by BillyRudd |
Ah what a beautiful tool the English language is. So.... how can I put it? Literal. If you pardon the pun.
If you had only added the three little words "on this forum" then what is obvious to you would have also been obvious to me.
No matter, it was mentioned on the night by someone (not on this forum) who was also at the game taking their own subjective view.
Other than that I think we are in 100% agreement.
Up the Dale [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 17:12]
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I think it was obvious with or without those three little words, except to those who didn't want it to be. |  |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 09:04 - Dec 13 with 3371 views | BillyRudd |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 17:20 - Dec 12 by TVOS1907 |
I think it was obvious with or without those three little words, except to those who didn't want it to be. |
I was responding to what you had actually written which was factually incorrect, not what in hindsight you have now decided you meant to say. I am not clairvoyant. | | | |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:17 - Dec 13 with 3287 views | TVOS1907 |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 09:04 - Dec 13 by BillyRudd |
I was responding to what you had actually written which was factually incorrect, not what in hindsight you have now decided you meant to say. I am not clairvoyant. |
It wasn't hindsight, but I think you know that.
Anyway, what i would like to know is, as it's before my time, was the Hartlepool pitch better or worse than those Billy Rudd played on, or were there any echoes of 69 with it? | |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 11:03 - Dec 13 with 3219 views | BillyRudd |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:17 - Dec 13 by TVOS1907 |
It wasn't hindsight, but I think you know that.
Anyway, what i would like to know is, as it's before my time, was the Hartlepool pitch better or worse than those Billy Rudd played on, or were there any echoes of 69 with it? |
Ha ha I think you know what I,m going to say TVOS
Not just the playing surfaces but in practically all aspects of the game, it is a world apart.
Facilities, pitch, squad sizes, number of substitutes, discipline, fitness, atmosphere, back to back games, bookings only if GBH involved, willingness to play in all conditions be it fog, mudbaths or flat icy surfaces. I could go on.
Apart from the hooliganism, racism, ability to pass directly back to your goalkeeper 2 points for a win and no play offs, I miss it dearly.
Up the Dale [Post edited 13 Dec 2021 11:07]
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 11:50 - Dec 13 with 3148 views | pioneer |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:17 - Dec 13 by TVOS1907 |
It wasn't hindsight, but I think you know that.
Anyway, what i would like to know is, as it's before my time, was the Hartlepool pitch better or worse than those Billy Rudd played on, or were there any echoes of 69 with it? |
We didn’t play Hartlepool in 69🤗 | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 12:51 - Dec 13 with 3040 views | samueloneils |
The squad this season was always going to be unbalanced despite RS`s scramble to assemble a team at such ridiculously short notice. Without wanting to resurrect the old grumble about the lack of a left back, having dumped McLaughlin and McShane we were left wth EOC virtually alone in defence (plus McNulty) and ended up with 3 complete rookies around him, who were always likely to struggle to come to terms, The loss of our one god defensive midfielder in Lund was a big additional blow. So the defence was, and still is bare.Whatever anyone says , EOC is my man of the season so far.
Up front we never replaced Humphreys, though Andrews now looks to be making progress, so the strikers, despite Beasley`s effort, were light too.
What we do have is some terrific wide players in Newby, Odoh, O`Keefe (at the moment, and Keohane (his loss is significant) And some promising young midfielders in Morley (21) Grant (20) and Kelly (25) plus a rejuvenated Dooley.
So unbalanced a squad yes, but not without a threat to opponents` defences.
These division`s defences seem to be pretty basic in their defending, but we know no defenders like wide players getting behind them. We could make hay here, even if it means temporarily abandoning the (let`s try to keep a clean sheet) philosophy. Even BBM, bad though he was tactically, seemed to understand this at one stage with some success, then promptly forgot about it.
The January window is weeks away. | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 12:56 - Dec 13 with 3023 views | TVOS1907 |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 11:50 - Dec 13 by pioneer |
We didn’t play Hartlepool in 69🤗 |
I know and I never said we did. [Post edited 13 Dec 2021 13:03]
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 13:23 - Dec 13 with 2951 views | D_Alien |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 12:51 - Dec 13 by samueloneils |
The squad this season was always going to be unbalanced despite RS`s scramble to assemble a team at such ridiculously short notice. Without wanting to resurrect the old grumble about the lack of a left back, having dumped McLaughlin and McShane we were left wth EOC virtually alone in defence (plus McNulty) and ended up with 3 complete rookies around him, who were always likely to struggle to come to terms, The loss of our one god defensive midfielder in Lund was a big additional blow. So the defence was, and still is bare.Whatever anyone says , EOC is my man of the season so far.
Up front we never replaced Humphreys, though Andrews now looks to be making progress, so the strikers, despite Beasley`s effort, were light too.
What we do have is some terrific wide players in Newby, Odoh, O`Keefe (at the moment, and Keohane (his loss is significant) And some promising young midfielders in Morley (21) Grant (20) and Kelly (25) plus a rejuvenated Dooley.
So unbalanced a squad yes, but not without a threat to opponents` defences.
These division`s defences seem to be pretty basic in their defending, but we know no defenders like wide players getting behind them. We could make hay here, even if it means temporarily abandoning the (let`s try to keep a clean sheet) philosophy. Even BBM, bad though he was tactically, seemed to understand this at one stage with some success, then promptly forgot about it.
The January window is weeks away. |
Decent, balanced post about an unbalanced squad
If there's one thing more unbalanced than the squad, it's the interminable, infernal whingeing every time we lose. Some people are so short-sighted as to think that because not everyone shares their propensity to whinge that they have a "Rochdale mentality" which accepts defeat
I very much beg to differ, and the events over the past six months suggest that the prevailing mentality amongst Daleys is to fight and win on behalf of the club |  |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 13:58 - Dec 13 with 2884 views | BillyRudd |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 12:56 - Dec 13 by TVOS1907 |
I know and I never said we did. [Post edited 13 Dec 2021 13:03]
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You don,t by any chance write Boris,s press releases as a sideline TVOS? | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 14:14 - Dec 13 with 2849 views | TVOS1907 |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 13:58 - Dec 13 by BillyRudd |
You don,t by any chance write Boris,s press releases as a sideline TVOS? |
I might as well do, but I'm sure you've got more residual time to do things like that. | |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 14:43 - Dec 13 with 2779 views | BillyRudd |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 14:14 - Dec 13 by TVOS1907 |
I might as well do, but I'm sure you've got more residual time to do things like that. |
You are probably right. I,m not dying until I have seen Dale win the F.A. Cup and while I ponder that, the nurse is here with my medication.
Up the Dale | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 17:26 - Dec 13 with 2561 views | samueloneils |
I think the Billy Rudd/ Vinny Leech partnership was the best Dale midfield duo I have seen (in over 50 years!) | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 18:57 - Dec 13 with 2390 views | pioneer |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 12:56 - Dec 13 by TVOS1907 |
I know and I never said we did. [Post edited 13 Dec 2021 13:03]
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I know and I never said you did | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 19:03 - Dec 13 with 2379 views | pioneer |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 14:43 - Dec 13 by BillyRudd |
You are probably right. I,m not dying until I have seen Dale win the F.A. Cup and while I ponder that, the nurse is here with my medication.
Up the Dale |
There are a small number of folks in Rochdale approaching their hundredth birthday saying the same thing about Hornets and the Challenge Cup! They are just hanging on!
100 years in April since they beat a yorkshire team in yorkshire to bring home trophy for the only time.
It was actually called the Northern Union Cup at the time, but the name was changed during the year they held it. | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 20:29 - Dec 13 with 2263 views | BillyRudd |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 17:26 - Dec 13 by samueloneils |
I think the Billy Rudd/ Vinny Leech partnership was the best Dale midfield duo I have seen (in over 50 years!) |
A bold statement Samuel and one I certainly would,nt argue with but I might be a tad biased. I think in fairness to them, life on the field then was far simpler than today. Playing with two class out and out wingers in Whitehead and Butler always gave them options.
Whitehead and Butlers defensive roles being minimal unlike the modern concept of wing halves. A different era but I would have loved to have seen Paddy McCourt play in the 68/69 team.
Up the Dale
ps In those days at school, alongside "riting" and "rithmatic" we were taught never to pass it square in front of your own 18 yard box. Nowadays it seems compulsory to do so before punting it up field.Can anyone explain to me what the rationale is? | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:21 - Dec 14 with 1918 views | pioneer |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 20:29 - Dec 13 by BillyRudd |
A bold statement Samuel and one I certainly would,nt argue with but I might be a tad biased. I think in fairness to them, life on the field then was far simpler than today. Playing with two class out and out wingers in Whitehead and Butler always gave them options.
Whitehead and Butlers defensive roles being minimal unlike the modern concept of wing halves. A different era but I would have loved to have seen Paddy McCourt play in the 68/69 team.
Up the Dale
ps In those days at school, alongside "riting" and "rithmatic" we were taught never to pass it square in front of your own 18 yard box. Nowadays it seems compulsory to do so before punting it up field.Can anyone explain to me what the rationale is? |
Pep G does it with his team of superstars so it must be good. | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:52 - Dec 14 with 1864 views | BillyRudd |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:21 - Dec 14 by pioneer |
Pep G does it with his team of superstars so it must be good. |
Nail on the head pioneer. Have long thought that wannabee lower league managers are aping the tactics of the upper echelons in pursuit of their own agendas, regardless of the skills they are managing and the consequences..
You only have to look at the unwavering application by BBM of his "philosophy" last season and consider where it got him and where we ended up. As a Dale supporter that was unforgivable, regardless of his service to the club beforehand.
Apart from that it is tedious to watch and in the end (as per Gas heads 4th goal) just makes you look silly. | | | |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 11:45 - Dec 14 with 1800 views | D_Alien |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 10:52 - Dec 14 by BillyRudd |
Nail on the head pioneer. Have long thought that wannabee lower league managers are aping the tactics of the upper echelons in pursuit of their own agendas, regardless of the skills they are managing and the consequences..
You only have to look at the unwavering application by BBM of his "philosophy" last season and consider where it got him and where we ended up. As a Dale supporter that was unforgivable, regardless of his service to the club beforehand.
Apart from that it is tedious to watch and in the end (as per Gas heads 4th goal) just makes you look silly. |
Whilst not disagreeing with the hazards of lower league footballers taking risks in areas of the pitch with the obvious consequences you point out, you asked why players pass across the pitch in defensive areas
Again, the answer is obvious. If all their midfield/forward teammates are marked, there's no one else to pass to. By moving the ball to a fellow defender they allow movement further up the pitch until someone becomes free to pass to
The alternative is kick and rush, or stand there with the ball at your feet with the crowd shouting "gerrit forrad"
You're welcome | |
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| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 14:26 - Dec 14 with 1664 views | BillyRudd |
| Bristol Rovers (a) Match Thread on 11:45 - Dec 14 by D_Alien |
Whilst not disagreeing with the hazards of lower league footballers taking risks in areas of the pitch with the obvious consequences you point out, you asked why players pass across the pitch in defensive areas
Again, the answer is obvious. If all their midfield/forward teammates are marked, there's no one else to pass to. By moving the ball to a fellow defender they allow movement further up the pitch until someone becomes free to pass to
The alternative is kick and rush, or stand there with the ball at your feet with the crowd shouting "gerrit forrad"
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I can,t disagree with your logic D,Alien and if that was actually playing out on the pitch I could see the sense in it despite the risks involved.
Unfortunately time and again we fanny about with it in dangerous areas until they press us and then we either punt it up to no one in particular or the mistake happens and we pay the price. Secondary to it being pointless is that it slows the tempo of the game allowing the opposition to get organised. We have neither the fluid forwards, or ball winning midfield to play the game you illustrate. It seems obvious to me that to play a Premiership style of play successfully you need players with Premiership skills, otherwise you fail in the attempt. | | | |
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