| Soldier stabbed 20:52 - Jul 24 with 2444 views | Boundy |
A serving soldier was attacked near his barracks on Gillingham in Kent on Tuesday, he remains in a critical condition, his assailant a 24 year has been arrested and its not thought its a terror related incident but someone will a mental disorder, no s*** sherlock. |  |
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| Soldier stabbed on 08:09 - Jul 26 with 729 views | Boundy |
| Soldier stabbed on 07:58 - Jul 26 by Scotia |
It absolutely is in this case.
This isn't a gang attack it's an apparently random attack that was almost immediately attributed to a mental health issue. It is no different to the Penygraig attack.
It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the colour of his skin but guess what this thread has turned in to? |
Who mentioned gang attacks ? Most stabbings are committed by individuals which happen to be non white ,if that offends your senses that's your problem but the real problem is what's happening right now .You mention one random attack in Penygraig as if that absolves all the others. | |
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| Soldier stabbed on 08:18 - Jul 26 with 708 views | onehunglow |
| Soldier stabbed on 07:58 - Jul 26 by Scotia |
It absolutely is in this case.
This isn't a gang attack it's an apparently random attack that was almost immediately attributed to a mental health issue. It is no different to the Penygraig attack.
It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the colour of his skin but guess what this thread has turned in to? |
What has it turned into then. | |
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| Soldier stabbed on 08:38 - Jul 26 with 683 views | raynor94 |
| Soldier stabbed on 07:58 - Jul 26 by Scotia |
It absolutely is in this case.
This isn't a gang attack it's an apparently random attack that was almost immediately attributed to a mental health issue. It is no different to the Penygraig attack.
It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the colour of his skin but guess what this thread has turned in to? |
Maybe because the vast majority of knife attacks in this country are carried out by black people |  |
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| Soldier stabbed on 08:42 - Jul 26 with 676 views | onehunglow |
| Soldier stabbed on 08:38 - Jul 26 by raynor94 |
Maybe because the vast majority of knife attacks in this country are carried out by black people |
And often on fellow black people | |
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| Soldier stabbed on 09:25 - Jul 26 with 649 views | controversial_jack |
| Soldier stabbed on 08:38 - Jul 26 by raynor94 |
Maybe because the vast majority of knife attacks in this country are carried out by black people |
I would be interested to see where you got that from as the criminal justice system doesn't keep records on ethnicity or religion. [Post edited 26 Jul 9:26]
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| Soldier stabbed on 09:28 - Jul 26 with 651 views | raynor94 |
| Soldier stabbed on 09:25 - Jul 26 by controversial_jack |
I would be interested to see where you got that from as the criminal justice system doesn't keep records on ethnicity or religion. [Post edited 26 Jul 9:26]
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Are you related to Trampie? | |
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| Soldier stabbed on 09:30 - Jul 26 with 650 views | Gwyn737 |
| Soldier stabbed on 08:38 - Jul 26 by raynor94 |
Maybe because the vast majority of knife attacks in this country are carried out by black people |
Depends which way you slice it.
It’s equally correct to say most crimes are carried out by poorer people.
If we focussed on poverty not race we’d be better off IMO. | | | |
| Soldier stabbed on 09:41 - Jul 26 with 638 views | controversial_jack |
| Soldier stabbed on 09:28 - Jul 26 by raynor94 |
Are you related to Trampie? |
Just wondered where you got your facts from | | | |
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| Soldier stabbed on 11:49 - Jul 26 with 629 views | Scotia |
| Soldier stabbed on 08:38 - Jul 26 by raynor94 |
Maybe because the vast majority of knife attacks in this country are carried out by black people |
But not because they are black.
The root cause in this incident seems to be the attackers mental health. Not his ethnicity.
The blame lies with his treatment or lack of treatment not his skin colour. | | | |
| Soldier stabbed on 11:53 - Jul 26 with 627 views | Scotia |
| Soldier stabbed on 08:09 - Jul 26 by Boundy |
Who mentioned gang attacks ? Most stabbings are committed by individuals which happen to be non white ,if that offends your senses that's your problem but the real problem is what's happening right now .You mention one random attack in Penygraig as if that absolves all the others. |
The problem in this case is a lack of mental health support and treatment.
The attackers ethnicity is irrelevant, yet that's the predominant discussion point in this thread.
There are far more similarities between the Penygraig attack and this one than most black on black knife crime. | | | |
| Soldier stabbed on 10:54 - Jul 27 with 528 views | Boundy |
| Soldier stabbed on 11:53 - Jul 26 by Scotia |
The problem in this case is a lack of mental health support and treatment.
The attackers ethnicity is irrelevant, yet that's the predominant discussion point in this thread.
There are far more similarities between the Penygraig attack and this one than most black on black knife crime. |
He's been assessed and now charged with attempted murder , no mention of his mental capacity or lack of it .Your focus throughout has been about the perpetrator not the victim who incidentally but notably has contributed to society in fact recently raised money for charity whilst scumbag boyo just lives . | |
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| Soldier stabbed on 10:56 - Jul 27 with 522 views | controversial_jack |
| Soldier stabbed on 10:54 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
He's been assessed and now charged with attempted murder , no mention of his mental capacity or lack of it .Your focus throughout has been about the perpetrator not the victim who incidentally but notably has contributed to society in fact recently raised money for charity whilst scumbag boyo just lives . |
Yes, he's a nutter that has been charged with attempted murder. Hope the victim recovers as best he can | | | |
| Soldier stabbed on 11:01 - Jul 27 with 525 views | raynor94 |
| Soldier stabbed on 10:54 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
He's been assessed and now charged with attempted murder , no mention of his mental capacity or lack of it .Your focus throughout has been about the perpetrator not the victim who incidentally but notably has contributed to society in fact recently raised money for charity whilst scumbag boyo just lives . |
It's far to easy to blame mental health problems for crimes carried out.
It might be controversial but I still think Calocane got away with murder | |
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| Soldier stabbed on 11:37 - Jul 27 with 496 views | Scotia |
| Soldier stabbed on 10:54 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
He's been assessed and now charged with attempted murder , no mention of his mental capacity or lack of it .Your focus throughout has been about the perpetrator not the victim who incidentally but notably has contributed to society in fact recently raised money for charity whilst scumbag boyo just lives . |
His defence counsel are seeking mental health assessments to see if he is fit to stand trial. Magistrates courts can't remand to a mental health unit at this stage as far as I'm aware.
My only focus is that this isn't in any way a race issue.
Personally I think we need to be a lot more robust when dealing with those with potentially dangerous mental health issues. Colocane is another example. | | | |
| Soldier stabbing on 12:35 - Jul 27 with 470 views | majorraglan |
| Soldier stabbed on 10:54 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
He's been assessed and now charged with attempted murder , no mention of his mental capacity or lack of it .Your focus throughout has been about the perpetrator not the victim who incidentally but notably has contributed to society in fact recently raised money for charity whilst scumbag boyo just lives . |
There won’t be any mention of mental health issues or capacity until the case hits the Courts for trial. Whilst in Custody the offender would have been subject to an assessment as to whether he was fit to be detained and further assessments as to whether he was fit to be interviewed, all that would be done by healthcare professionals, if there was any doubt an Approved Social Worker and 2 Section 12 doctors would be asked to undertake a sectioning assessment. In a case like this, every step would have been put in place to ensure he was fit to be detained including an appropriate adult, provision of 24/7 psychiatric nurse support etc etc. it may be the guy was fit to be involved to be interviewed, but it may also be the case that he wasn’t - we won’t know that.
The offender will be remanded to prisons where he will be further assessed and his medical history poured over and scrutinised. Prisons have hospitals and this guy will go there initially and then be processed via the criminal justice system. The in-depth forensic psychiatric assessments will start once this guy is locked up.
There are several distinct patterns of knife crime in this country, one is gang related and another is mental health. Both groups tend to be at the edges of society and as a result engaging with them and addressing the issues is very difficult. The mental health services are in crisis, they are underfunded and short staffed. Care in the community is very poor, the number of beds has been reduced significantly and the cost to put someone in a MH bed is enormous. A person with a personality disorder is a completely different animal to a person with mental health issues, I suspect the person in this case will fall in to the former category and will be much harder to treat than a MH patient. [Post edited 27 Jul 13:05]
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| Soldier stabbed on 12:54 - Jul 27 with 460 views | Boundy |
| Soldier stabbed on 11:37 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
His defence counsel are seeking mental health assessments to see if he is fit to stand trial. Magistrates courts can't remand to a mental health unit at this stage as far as I'm aware.
My only focus is that this isn't in any way a race issue.
Personally I think we need to be a lot more robust when dealing with those with potentially dangerous mental health issues. Colocane is another example. |
How do you know its not race issue , how do you know that the perpetrator is a racist as any white person could be and yes it does exist . | |
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| Soldier stabbed on 14:17 - Jul 27 with 415 views | AnotherJohn |
I can't go along with the argument that cases like this are just about mental health, with no cultural or ethnic dimension. That would just push the argument back to the question of why certain ethnic groups are over-represented when it comes to diagnoses like schizophrenia. To me the quick resort to this line of argument is just another of those dreadful handwringing responses that say we are all to blame (we did not fund adequate mental health services) and the perpetrator is yet another victim. | | | |
| Soldier stabbed on 14:39 - Jul 27 with 388 views | onehunglow |
| Soldier stabbed on 14:17 - Jul 27 by AnotherJohn |
I can't go along with the argument that cases like this are just about mental health, with no cultural or ethnic dimension. That would just push the argument back to the question of why certain ethnic groups are over-represented when it comes to diagnoses like schizophrenia. To me the quick resort to this line of argument is just another of those dreadful handwringing responses that say we are all to blame (we did not fund adequate mental health services) and the perpetrator is yet another victim. |
Todays mental health is yesterdays bad back.
Why?
It’s hard to prove
How to distinguish between mental illness and pure evil malevolence
Either way, innocent people are at risk of losing their lives
You’d think that would take precedence .
It doesn’t
We care more for nutters that’s for good decent folk | |
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| Soldier stabbed on 18:04 - Jul 27 with 330 views | Scotia |
| Soldier stabbed on 12:54 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
How do you know its not race issue , how do you know that the perpetrator is a racist as any white person could be and yes it does exist . |
Because terrorism has been ruled out.
Stabbings and knife crime is more prevalent in the black community, but completely random killings / attacks of innocent people aren't. | | | |
| Soldier stabbed on 18:07 - Jul 27 with 328 views | Scotia |
| Soldier stabbed on 14:39 - Jul 27 by onehunglow |
Todays mental health is yesterdays bad back.
Why?
It’s hard to prove
How to distinguish between mental illness and pure evil malevolence
Either way, innocent people are at risk of losing their lives
You’d think that would take precedence .
It doesn’t
We care more for nutters that’s for good decent folk |
I agree with your last sentence. As I've said before, Mrs Scotia is a social worker who deals with the fallout from care in the community every day.
It doesn't work. | | | |
| Soldier stabbed on 18:16 - Jul 27 with 312 views | onehunglow |
| Soldier stabbed on 18:07 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
I agree with your last sentence. As I've said before, Mrs Scotia is a social worker who deals with the fallout from care in the community every day.
It doesn't work. |
I. Have lost count as to how many social workers were assaulted by feral scum.
One of my deceased social worker chums was @ccused of sexual assault purely as it was. Means of getting some money .
Social workers face appalling situations.
Not a job I could ever do
We need to punish rats and until we do,we will suffer
Right now,we don’t know wh@ to do
Sad really | |
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| Soldier stabbed on 22:22 - Jul 27 with 276 views | majorraglan |
| Soldier stabbed on 18:16 - Jul 27 by onehunglow |
I. Have lost count as to how many social workers were assaulted by feral scum.
One of my deceased social worker chums was @ccused of sexual assault purely as it was. Means of getting some money .
Social workers face appalling situations.
Not a job I could ever do
We need to punish rats and until we do,we will suffer
Right now,we don’t know wh@ to do
Sad really |
Social Workers cop a lot of stick, but it’s not an easy job by any stretch of the imagination. We now live in a world which has changed dramatically over the last 30 years. There are now all manner of safeguarding requirements and issues, awareness has increased, cover your @@@@ has increased off the scale, nobody wants to make a decision and all this means the social services work load has increased significantly at a time when resources have declined.
In addition to dealing with the old and infirm, dementia, bed blocking etc etc they now have vast teams dealing with the chavmungous who are ever increasing and burdening society, the number of feral kids is increasing because their parents can’t look after themselves yet alone bring up the kids. The number of kids in care is increasing and the costs are enormous. As a society we’re in a vicious circle of decline and something needs to change. Some of the feral kids just need a break, someone to show an interest in them and give them a helping hand, others are well beyond that and need locking up, sadly we don’t have the resources to do that and it’s just plate spinning as everything comes crashing down. | | | |
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