| Boil face sniffing around! 08:12 - Apr 27 with 21086 views | connell10 |
Wants Willock on the cheap..... if i was in charge i would have nothng to do with this kunt! |  |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 11:06 - Apr 28 with 1968 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 10:38 - Apr 28 by PhilmyRs |
"I can't think of many other people I would want to entrust his care and development to than Gareth Ainsworth". I can. Richards is a ball playing attacking midfielder. He's got a lot to learn but has progressed via the Brighton academy and despite his issues, does appear to have some talent. I don't think the talent of players like Richards will be developed to anywhere near the level it would be under other coaches. Warbs is an obvious example, but his emphasis on ball retention, valuing possession, keeping the ball on the deck was excellent for the crop of youngsters we had - so many of them really kicked on and developed and are much better players now - Bright, Eze, Chair. Do I think an Ainsworth QPR that values what it does out of possession rather than what it does with it, and is known to be direct in style - we've seen it first hand - will be anywhere as good for the development of these type of players? Short answer is NO.
"get that everyone's disappointed that we haven't turned out to be the second coming of Man city..." Come on, most of us don't expect to be steam rolling the league, but under Ainsworth I've seen some of the worst performances since we got relegated from the Prem and I think 6-1 at Blackpool and the inept rubbish dished out at home to Birmingham and Coventry were totally unacceptable and we had every right to be critical of them and expect better. That's not being disappointed becaue we're not Man City, that's being disappointed because the Manager and Team, both failed massively in a number of games.
I've seen nothing since he arrived which has made me think he'll be a good fit for us. I'm amazed so many have clung to the amazing result at Burnley as evidence of what he can do. That game should have been out of sight by half time, we were incredibly lucky, but so pleased we got the result. That wasn't a tactical master class from the Manager, that was the footballing gods smiling down on us.
I hope I'm wrong, I really do, and he proves to be a success, but I can't see it and I think the appointment is a backward, and potentially really damaging one for us. [Post edited 28 Apr 2023 10:40]
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As you say, we'll see, Phil, but I think, as I keep saying, that everyone is falling into the trap of putting Ainsworth (and Dobson for that matter) into a sterotypical cage that is just not true.
What you've seen so far does not necessarily predict the future. I am not suggesting we're going to steam through this division next year, suddenly becoming the master of tiki taka as per Spain in 2008, or anything as wildly grandiose as that, but I just don't see us having to suffer some dystopian anti-football reality, which seems to be the favoured viewpoint of some.
I genuinely believe we will find a good balance of defensive grit, direct football and good, short, swift, hopefully incisive passing, particularly around the final third, that we've all been crying out to see over these last few years.
I do believe that the current management team are capable of delivering that on a shoestring, and I also believe that that's what they have in mind to deliver over the coming however long they get given to implement that. |  | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 11:11 - Apr 28 with 1908 views | CamberleyR |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 20:17 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
At the risk of repeating myself, where does this assumption come from that Ainsworth is averse to "Eze-type players" when he had him for a season at Wycombe?? |
He wasn't there for a full season. He came back at the start of the January transfer window. He played 22 times for Wycombe so just under half a season. |  |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 11:21 - Apr 28 with 1861 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 11:11 - Apr 28 by CamberleyR |
He wasn't there for a full season. He came back at the start of the January transfer window. He played 22 times for Wycombe so just under half a season. |
My point is that he himself acknowledges that time as fundamentally important to his development, as referenced here as one brief example of several: https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/eze-it-s-great-to-be-back-home/
Also, an in-depth example of the talent that Ainsworth saw in Eze, and how he integrated into the Wycombe team at the time, whilst also being mindful of what he could do to help that talent mature further:
https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/sport/15685686.wycombe-boss-gareth-ainsworth-ho
Does that sound like the mind of a footballing troglodyte?? | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 11:51 - Apr 28 with 1764 views | Antti_Heinola |
It's not that he's a troglodyte, but having that talent at League Two level was a gift no one would have turned their nose up at.
It's more to do with how he wants his teams to play. People talk about resources, but clubs at all levels find ways to play progressive football without much money.
As you say, we'll find out, but I echo many others: I doubt we'll see much entertaining football, and if it's not successful fans will very quickly turn on him. Fans stayed with Warbs during difficult times because, at least until the end, because he wanted to play good, attacking football. When it became turgid and results were poor, he was gone quite quickly. |  |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 11:54 - Apr 28 with 1741 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 11:51 - Apr 28 by Antti_Heinola |
It's not that he's a troglodyte, but having that talent at League Two level was a gift no one would have turned their nose up at.
It's more to do with how he wants his teams to play. People talk about resources, but clubs at all levels find ways to play progressive football without much money.
As you say, we'll find out, but I echo many others: I doubt we'll see much entertaining football, and if it's not successful fans will very quickly turn on him. Fans stayed with Warbs during difficult times because, at least until the end, because he wanted to play good, attacking football. When it became turgid and results were poor, he was gone quite quickly. |
"...but clubs at all levels find ways to play progressive football without much money."
On a side note, a more general note, I agree completely with this. |  |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 12:11 - Apr 28 with 1704 views | westy |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 09:13 - Apr 28 by E15Hoop |
F*ck me - you lot are going to be a f*cking joy to be around next season, aren't you??
Let's just check where we are in the world, shall we?!
1. We have just beaten the divisional champions, playing some decent football and having more shots on target than we have in a long time.
2. Our record in the last four games reads: DLDW which is mid-table form.
3. We have a manager who loves the club, understands how it works and has shown clearly that he can adapt to the situation at hand to help us survive in the division we're currently in.
4. He has already stated his admiration for talented skilful young players, and has basically said he wants to effectively try and build a team around one of them next season.
5. You miserable c*nts are already guaranteed to have half the squad you dislike so intensely disappear from the club over the summer, as they're all out of contract.
6. We have a manager who has already proven to be highly adept on picking up a range of bargain players from all corners of the known universe for less than your monthly mortgage payments.
What's it going to take to cheer you miserable f*ckers up?!
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Totally agree mate. There are some fiserable muckers on here. Keyboard managers who will never be happy. Bet their other halves cannot wait for game day so they fck off out the house | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:00 - Apr 28 with 1597 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 12:11 - Apr 28 by westy |
Totally agree mate. There are some fiserable muckers on here. Keyboard managers who will never be happy. Bet their other halves cannot wait for game day so they fck off out the house |
Thanks Westy. This has been an "interesting" couple of weeks on this forum! 
Nice to know there some friends on this site who understand what I've been trying to say, and also think in a similar way to me. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:07 - Apr 28 with 1571 views | Northernr |
Gotta start telling the truth eventually I guess, maybe this time...
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:13 - Apr 28 with 1535 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:07 - Apr 28 by Northernr |
Gotta start telling the truth eventually I guess, maybe this time...
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Is it just my imagination, or does the phrase "We won't be going to them" sound a tad dismissive, as in "I'd never be seen shopping in Lidl"? | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:13 - Apr 28 with 1524 views | westy |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:00 - Apr 28 by E15Hoop |
Thanks Westy. This has been an "interesting" couple of weeks on this forum!
Nice to know there some friends on this site who understand what I've been trying to say, and also think in a similar way to me. |
Totally agree mate. It’s always glass half empty ffs. Give GA a chance. These people have probably never even seen his teams play over a number of games. Only listening to claptrap and following because it’s easy and lazy. I’ve been in and around his teams for a long time and he’s a lot more tactically aware than people on here give him credit for.
But like I said the keyboard managers society will never be happy | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:13 - Apr 28 with 1527 views | Northernr |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:13 - Apr 28 by E15Hoop |
Is it just my imagination, or does the phrase "We won't be going to them" sound a tad dismissive, as in "I'd never be seen shopping in Lidl"? |
It also increases the liklihood of it happening by about 300% given his fcking record. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:19 - Apr 28 with 1492 views | sparkey |
Maybe this is what he meant by loyalty and integrity | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:25 - Apr 28 with 1451 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:13 - Apr 28 by Northernr |
It also increases the liklihood of it happening by about 300% given his fcking record. |
Haha! Good point.. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:45 - Apr 28 with 1366 views | derbyhoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 10:38 - Apr 28 by Northernr |
You think we're getting £10m for Ilias Chair? |
Half of that would be a result. |  |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:50 - Apr 28 with 1352 views | PhilmyRs |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:00 - Apr 28 by E15Hoop |
Thanks Westy. This has been an "interesting" couple of weeks on this forum!
Nice to know there some friends on this site who understand what I've been trying to say, and also think in a similar way to me. |
Look, we understand what you’re trying to say. Seems very much along the lines of we can’t say this is Gareth's way, he’s adapted and using this approach because of the situation we’re in. Putting him in the “long ball, direct, not a developer of young, talented players” camp is unfair. You’ve flagged Eze and the praise he gave of Ainsworth as evidence of that. You’ve suggested there’s a good chance next season, with him assembling his own squad, we’ll have a mix of practicality and flair and our football will combine the attritional with the exciting.
The Eze example is interesting because it was clear it was only ever a temporary move to get him used to more aggressive, men’s football and credits Wycombe for giving him the chance. A young Eze now being shown round potential suitors, I don’t think he would sign for us. There’s a reason he didn’t make it at Millwall and was released — openly stated his style of play didn’t suit with them and so wasn’t a good fit. I think we will resemble much more a Millwall team, then a QPR team of the last few years once Gareth has assembled his squad. I do admit there are some positives in that, as it’s clear we need to become more streetwise and not get bullied so easily, but we need a mix, and I’m of the view that the mix is going to be too much the other way under Ainsworth. Freely admit I could be wrong.
You could be right on the style of football we see too where I have concerns is the performances to date. You mentioned we’ve just ‘beaten the divisional champions, playing some decent football’. Unbelievable result and a great feeling getting the 3 points but good football it was not. Our centre midfielder didn’t complete a pass in 60 odd minutes. I can’t remember that ever happening for us? We got lucky, and boy we deserve some luck, but performances like that 9 times out of 10 wouldn’t lead to 3 points. We need to use the ball better. Sure you would argue, it’s just because of the situation we’re in and the opposition we were up against that led to it. But then I’d throw back at you recent examples where he’s come up against opposition and clearly made massive tactical errors, ones that are hard to legislate for — Birmingham and Coventry home are clear examples. I don’t just put that down to this season and that we’ll see a different Ainsworth Team once fully assembled like you do, I view it as warning signs of what’s to come. [Post edited 28 Apr 2023 13:51]
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:03 - Apr 28 with 1297 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 09:13 - Apr 28 by E15Hoop |
F*ck me - you lot are going to be a f*cking joy to be around next season, aren't you??
Let's just check where we are in the world, shall we?!
1. We have just beaten the divisional champions, playing some decent football and having more shots on target than we have in a long time.
2. Our record in the last four games reads: DLDW which is mid-table form.
3. We have a manager who loves the club, understands how it works and has shown clearly that he can adapt to the situation at hand to help us survive in the division we're currently in.
4. He has already stated his admiration for talented skilful young players, and has basically said he wants to effectively try and build a team around one of them next season.
5. You miserable c*nts are already guaranteed to have half the squad you dislike so intensely disappear from the club over the summer, as they're all out of contract.
6. We have a manager who has already proven to be highly adept on picking up a range of bargain players from all corners of the known universe for less than your monthly mortgage payments.
What's it going to take to cheer you miserable f*ckers up?!
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I mean it's a fun game.
'last 4 games is mid table form!'
'last 5 games is relebgation form!'
'last 1 game is CHAMPIONSHIP FORM!'
Pass the champagne. | |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:08 - Apr 28 with 1254 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:50 - Apr 28 by PhilmyRs |
Look, we understand what you’re trying to say. Seems very much along the lines of we can’t say this is Gareth's way, he’s adapted and using this approach because of the situation we’re in. Putting him in the “long ball, direct, not a developer of young, talented players” camp is unfair. You’ve flagged Eze and the praise he gave of Ainsworth as evidence of that. You’ve suggested there’s a good chance next season, with him assembling his own squad, we’ll have a mix of practicality and flair and our football will combine the attritional with the exciting.
The Eze example is interesting because it was clear it was only ever a temporary move to get him used to more aggressive, men’s football and credits Wycombe for giving him the chance. A young Eze now being shown round potential suitors, I don’t think he would sign for us. There’s a reason he didn’t make it at Millwall and was released — openly stated his style of play didn’t suit with them and so wasn’t a good fit. I think we will resemble much more a Millwall team, then a QPR team of the last few years once Gareth has assembled his squad. I do admit there are some positives in that, as it’s clear we need to become more streetwise and not get bullied so easily, but we need a mix, and I’m of the view that the mix is going to be too much the other way under Ainsworth. Freely admit I could be wrong.
You could be right on the style of football we see too where I have concerns is the performances to date. You mentioned we’ve just ‘beaten the divisional champions, playing some decent football’. Unbelievable result and a great feeling getting the 3 points but good football it was not. Our centre midfielder didn’t complete a pass in 60 odd minutes. I can’t remember that ever happening for us? We got lucky, and boy we deserve some luck, but performances like that 9 times out of 10 wouldn’t lead to 3 points. We need to use the ball better. Sure you would argue, it’s just because of the situation we’re in and the opposition we were up against that led to it. But then I’d throw back at you recent examples where he’s come up against opposition and clearly made massive tactical errors, ones that are hard to legislate for — Birmingham and Coventry home are clear examples. I don’t just put that down to this season and that we’ll see a different Ainsworth Team once fully assembled like you do, I view it as warning signs of what’s to come. [Post edited 28 Apr 2023 13:51]
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Thanks for clarifying, Phil and for acknowledging my points.
Yes, fair point about Birmingham and Coventry and I don't really know how to answer that. Could be "I'll get it wrong sometimes", as he's said in the run-up to tomorrow's game, could be he was still trying to get everyone to pull together, and it just didn't happen in those games.
Yes, I also hear you on Tim Iroegbunam's stats, but that might be as much to do with just wanting to bypass the Burnley midfield as much as possible and try to get them pushed back, facing their own goal.
Truth is we won't know until we see what next season's squad looks like, but it doesn't make sense to me that he would laud Taylor Richards as he has done, knowing that his fee will represent a decent percentage of what we're likely to have to spend if he's not going to build a team to accomodate him and try to maximise his impact (whatever that looks like in the context of the team as a whole). | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:10 - Apr 28 with 1248 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:03 - Apr 28 by Antti_Heinola |
I mean it's a fun game.
'last 4 games is mid table form!'
'last 5 games is relebgation form!'
'last 1 game is CHAMPIONSHIP FORM!'
Pass the champagne. |
We'll get some in for sure once we've tied the ends up on this most typical of QPR seasons, Antti.  | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:34 - Apr 28 with 1142 views | daveB |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:13 - Apr 28 by E15Hoop |
Is it just my imagination, or does the phrase "We won't be going to them" sound a tad dismissive, as in "I'd never be seen shopping in Lidl"? |
When you see the full clip it's not really dismissive, he was positive about us
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:37 - Apr 28 with 1126 views | swisscottage |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:34 - Apr 28 by daveB |
When you see the full clip it's not really dismissive, he was positive about us
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And people can trust anything he says? How ? | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:47 - Apr 28 with 1093 views | Northernr |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:37 - Apr 28 by swisscottage |
And people can trust anything he says? How ? |
Yeh I actually think this makes it more likely. Fat mess will probably sign Joe Willock as well, just to make sure. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:48 - Apr 28 with 1086 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:50 - Apr 27 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Ainsworth has a style of football, and a type of player, that is going to be God awful to watch. Lots of huffing and puffing, big challenges, hearts on their sleeves etc etc etc..... ask any L1 fan what they think of Wycombe.
Willock and Chair will be sold in the summer, and he will not replace like for like, not a chance.
I think we will all be here in a years time longing for the days of Eze, Bright, Willock and Chair as we stare L1 in the face. |
And what would Wycombe fans think of their style of play? Of course other L1 fans won’t like them, especially if they have lost to them. |  | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:53 - Apr 28 with 1075 views | daveB |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:47 - Apr 28 by Northernr |
Yeh I actually think this makes it more likely. Fat mess will probably sign Joe Willock as well, just to make sure. |
wouldn't say i trust what he says and I don't believe him either but just adding context to those quotes, it's wasn't really why would I want to sign someone from QPR more him saying he is not planning to take advantage of the QPR situation. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:59 - Apr 28 with 1039 views | Northernr |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:53 - Apr 28 by daveB |
wouldn't say i trust what he says and I don't believe him either but just adding context to those quotes, it's wasn't really why would I want to sign someone from QPR more him saying he is not planning to take advantage of the QPR situation. |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 15:06 - Apr 28 with 1022 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:53 - Apr 28 by daveB |
wouldn't say i trust what he says and I don't believe him either but just adding context to those quotes, it's wasn't really why would I want to sign someone from QPR more him saying he is not planning to take advantage of the QPR situation. |
Thanks for sharing, Dave. It was certainly nice and respectful the manner in which he delivered that nod to us, so maybe he's been stung by all the mud he knows has been slung at him since - or maybe he's just mastered the art of PR and body language!
One thing I will say is that if he is lying, you have to give him credit for doing it very well. There didn't seem to be any sign of "leakage" as the ex-FBI videos you see on YouTube talk about, where body language gives you away even if you're trying to lie convicnicngly. | | | |
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