| Boil face sniffing around! 08:12 - Apr 27 with 21074 views | connell10 |
Wants Willock on the cheap..... if i was in charge i would have nothng to do with this kunt! |  |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:31 - Apr 27 with 2251 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 12:40 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
But then we're back to the FFP situation we've played ourselves into which makes £500k from Rangers now a much more enticing prospect than not only nothing next summer but also another year of wages (£125k if he's on £5k a week, £250k if he's on £10k a week etc) for a player who's not giving many indications he's going to be much use to use next season.
If it can be sold this summer it will be sold - £2m wasn't a good deal for Darnell Furlong, but we did it. |
£2m was absolutely a good deal for Furlong. I can't believe people still think it isn't. Maybe not a great deal, but a very fair fee. And I loved (still do) the lad. |  |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:48 - Apr 27 with 2164 views | Match82 |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 09:58 - Apr 27 by SydneyRs |
Rangers don't have that kind of coin to spend, they are far from the loaded club they were in the 90s.
PBBC will be trying to get him for $500k. |
I think the point was Rangers will have to pay a fcking us over tax to buy Willock whereas others wouldn't. |  | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:08 - Apr 27 with 2096 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 10:15 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
I think it's going to look quite like Warburton's first summer, where you've got a squad that's collapsed the season before (under McClaren that time), a squad propped up by loans, and a squad with lots of players we can no longer afford to keep. We did 16 in and out that summer, I reckon we'll be pushing past that number this summer once you count the loans being returned. |
We've got to look at that as a positive though, considering this season. The issue is who is going to be recruiting that new squad.... |  | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:29 - Apr 27 with 2032 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:08 - Apr 27 by Wegerles_Stairs |
We've got to look at that as a positive though, considering this season. The issue is who is going to be recruiting that new squad.... |
I think GA will have a large input into this, having strengthened his hand greatly with last Saturday's result. I think this will be a good thing, or are you not so sure, WS? | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:35 - Apr 27 with 1987 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:29 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
I think GA will have a large input into this, having strengthened his hand greatly with last Saturday's result. I think this will be a good thing, or are you not so sure, WS? |
I don't know enough about him. Obviously he did a good job at Wycombe but I don't know much about the details. Can't say I've been impressed with our style in the games I've been to recently, but I understand the argument that they're not his players. Obviously, it's about more than him too and whether the DoF is still around. Going to be an interesting summer. Hopefully, we're still in this league. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:44 - Apr 27 with 1940 views | Sakura |
Blackburn turned down £10m for Brereton Diaz in August last year when he was in his final year of his contract. They wanted £15m
And to quote the Fat man from earlier this month he said he’ll have a "good budget" this summer. Thats a direct quote about a "good budget"
They paid £6m for their left back Ridvan last year as well.
Think we can expect £4m plus. Good luck finding a better player for less of transfer and salary packet then that this summer.
Also lets not overstate the hamstring injury situation. The latest “bad injury” was six weeks put and more precautionary to make sure he was fully recovered. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 15:25 - Apr 27 with 1842 views | robith |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 13:31 - Apr 27 by Antti_Heinola |
£2m was absolutely a good deal for Furlong. I can't believe people still think it isn't. Maybe not a great deal, but a very fair fee. And I loved (still do) the lad. |
Remember when we got half a mil for Cole Kpekawa? Worked out at about £70k a game for Barnsley lol |  | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 15:32 - Apr 27 with 1787 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 15:25 - Apr 27 by robith |
Remember when we got half a mil for Cole Kpekawa? Worked out at about £70k a game for Barnsley lol |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cole_Kpekawa
Looks like we had him in his prime! | | | |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 15:45 - Apr 27 with 1726 views | Rangersw12 |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 14:35 - Apr 27 by Wegerles_Stairs |
I don't know enough about him. Obviously he did a good job at Wycombe but I don't know much about the details. Can't say I've been impressed with our style in the games I've been to recently, but I understand the argument that they're not his players. Obviously, it's about more than him too and whether the DoF is still around. Going to be an interesting summer. Hopefully, we're still in this league. |
We 100% need a DOF at the club and a CEO who actually understands the club .
We can't allow GA ( or any manager) to have keys to the sweet shop as that doesn't work here | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:02 - Apr 27 with 1669 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 15:45 - Apr 27 by Rangersw12 |
We 100% need a DOF at the club and a CEO who actually understands the club .
We can't allow GA ( or any manager) to have keys to the sweet shop as that doesn't work here |
That was a true statement when there were sweets in said shop that we could actually afford. Now we're back to sorting through the Pick 'n' Mix for the slightly broken ones, or ones where the wrapper has fallen off, I would say that we need to hand the keys to the person who knows the layout of the shop the best, and in this case, that would, I believe be the current Manager. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:08 - Apr 27 with 1631 views | daveB |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:02 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
That was a true statement when there were sweets in said shop that we could actually afford. Now we're back to sorting through the Pick 'n' Mix for the slightly broken ones, or ones where the wrapper has fallen off, I would say that we need to hand the keys to the person who knows the layout of the shop the best, and in this case, that would, I believe be the current Manager. |
I worry we're gonna end up with a squad full of hard workers with limited ability and be needing a new manager by Christmas and another new squad
Massive summer ahead for the club |  | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:12 - Apr 27 with 1584 views | Sakura |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 15:45 - Apr 27 by Rangersw12 |
We 100% need a DOF at the club and a CEO who actually understands the club .
We can't allow GA ( or any manager) to have keys to the sweet shop as that doesn't work here |
I disagree. The DOF role is important when you are chopping and changing managers.
Ainsworth did ten years in his last role and it would look as though if its up to him he would do similar length of time here.
Its been discussed on this thread we should accept a few hundred grand for Willock. That’s what Les is earning by all accounts.
If we are really as broke is as being suggested I think we let Les go and let Ainsworth shape things as he did with Wycombe.
With a budget as tight as ours I think its an expense we can cut out to protect the playing squad. We’ve got a manager who’s proven at doing the role himself and doesn’t need Les | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:12 - Apr 27 with 1600 views | ridethewave |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 10:24 - Apr 27 by LongRanger |
Best we can hope for is to get what we can as an up front payment and then make sure we have a 25% sell on clause, as if those hamstrings get sorted, he's a very good player and will be sought after, but he won't be here next season, best for all if he moves on. |
I'd actually be inclined to give him away to Rangers and negotiate just the highest sell-on fee we can. He'll come good again and be worth much more to us down the line this way. |  | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:16 - Apr 27 with 1573 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:08 - Apr 27 by daveB |
I worry we're gonna end up with a squad full of hard workers with limited ability and be needing a new manager by Christmas and another new squad
Massive summer ahead for the club |
This is 99% what is going to happen. | |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:24 - Apr 27 with 1533 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:16 - Apr 27 by Antti_Heinola |
This is 99% what is going to happen. |
I don't understand your pessimism, Antti.
OK, let's say we get off to a bad start next season, then you can see the Board getting antsy because that's just how they seem to roll. But surely expectations have now been revised downwards anyway? That seemed to be the point of Amit and Ruben's recent charm-a-thon on the official site.
As for the thought that Ainsworth just wants a team full of Dom Balls, I set against that the fulsome praise he always dishes out for Ebere Eze, Ilias Chair and Taylor Richards.
I sincerely believe we will end up with a competitive squad that works hard, plays like a unit AND has some flair as well. I don't understand why people like your good self are son convinced it won't happen. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:28 - Apr 27 with 1495 views | Northernr |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:08 - Apr 27 by daveB |
I worry we're gonna end up with a squad full of hard workers with limited ability and be needing a new manager by Christmas and another new squad
Massive summer ahead for the club |
If these owners stay true to form then Ainsworth will get the keys to the kingdom this summer, he'll put together a really honest, hard working, gritty team that's big on effort and low on technicality. When results go bad, either straight away, or more likely when you start to get the injuries and the suspensions and the hectic fixtures through November (which has basically happened every year since we were relegated last), and the football becomes too attritional the fans will turn - plenty already have. They'll then sack to keep that quiet and having done progressive forward thinking types, then pulled the nostalgia lever, it's probably time for trendy European coach again and so you'll get Ajax Bot 6.8 trying to explain the three-box-three formation to Josh Scowen and... guess what? "You can't judge him until he's got his own players in January... Well January is always a bad month to shop he needs the summer..." and so the cycle starts again.
I'm really not sure I see the logic behind this season exploding because they let Beale bring his own boys in here last summer and then he left, and we fix that by letting Ainsworth bring all his boys in here this summer...
It's nuts this club. I feel like I've sat here and typed that every month for 20 years. |  | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:31 - Apr 27 with 1463 views | kernowhoop |
Watch the Goal of the Season video. Do you then conclude that Chris Willock can clear off? | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:36 - Apr 27 with 1414 views | LazyFan |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 11:22 - Apr 27 by robith |
It's a slightly weird way to looking at deals being up or down purely on what you paid for the player - because you also got years of them playing for you, and you haven't factored their wages in so you'd be down even if you got what they paid for them back. You can't judge deals by X cost Y and we got Z back |
Yes I know, but at least during those years, we got to play them which helped us stay in the Champ. To survive and try again in another year. Hopefully, finding two Eze's in one season. Yes, that's fantasy, but you can only try if you are in the Champ. Hence the wages of these two provided that opportunity.
So, the lost wages are like loan players for survival, but that only works if we get the monies back we paid for them. Otherwise, we are at a loss, and we cannot afford to lose any more money! |  |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:37 - Apr 27 with 1409 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:28 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
If these owners stay true to form then Ainsworth will get the keys to the kingdom this summer, he'll put together a really honest, hard working, gritty team that's big on effort and low on technicality. When results go bad, either straight away, or more likely when you start to get the injuries and the suspensions and the hectic fixtures through November (which has basically happened every year since we were relegated last), and the football becomes too attritional the fans will turn - plenty already have. They'll then sack to keep that quiet and having done progressive forward thinking types, then pulled the nostalgia lever, it's probably time for trendy European coach again and so you'll get Ajax Bot 6.8 trying to explain the three-box-three formation to Josh Scowen and... guess what? "You can't judge him until he's got his own players in January... Well January is always a bad month to shop he needs the summer..." and so the cycle starts again.
I'm really not sure I see the logic behind this season exploding because they let Beale bring his own boys in here last summer and then he left, and we fix that by letting Ainsworth bring all his boys in here this summer...
It's nuts this club. I feel like I've sat here and typed that every month for 20 years. |
But you're also falling into the trap of believing that GA will 100% pay to his stereotype, Clive. How about the alternative I gave earlier - that GA gets the keys to the kingdom and recruits wisely giving us the blend of grit and flair that we've all been crying out for, for less than the price of a pint in the West End?
The team he played in with us had Martin Rowlands in it. If Ebere Eze can say that GA was foundational in his development, and if he also is full of praise for Taylor Richards, why can't we be optimistic that someone has actually thwacked the Board over the head and suggested they might need to be patient for a little while longer yet, if we ever do get back to being able to be promoted in glossy Air Asia-branded brochures about us being "a founder club of the Premier League" or whatever the actual wording of the puff piece was back in the day?
Granted, we know they always get antsy around Christmas, but let's say we actually get of to a decent start and are mid-table around then? | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:41 - Apr 27 with 1388 views | Northernr |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:37 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
But you're also falling into the trap of believing that GA will 100% pay to his stereotype, Clive. How about the alternative I gave earlier - that GA gets the keys to the kingdom and recruits wisely giving us the blend of grit and flair that we've all been crying out for, for less than the price of a pint in the West End?
The team he played in with us had Martin Rowlands in it. If Ebere Eze can say that GA was foundational in his development, and if he also is full of praise for Taylor Richards, why can't we be optimistic that someone has actually thwacked the Board over the head and suggested they might need to be patient for a little while longer yet, if we ever do get back to being able to be promoted in glossy Air Asia-branded brochures about us being "a founder club of the Premier League" or whatever the actual wording of the puff piece was back in the day?
Granted, we know they always get antsy around Christmas, but let's say we actually get of to a decent start and are mid-table around then? |
Well, we'll find out in time I guess. Obviously I'm going to be on the ceiling delighted if he does that. For me I haven't seen any indication so far that he's going to build anything other than Wycombe 2.0 here. But we'll see, if he gets that chance, which I'm not convinced he will BTW. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:44 - Apr 27 with 1376 views | loftupper |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:12 - Apr 27 by Sakura |
I disagree. The DOF role is important when you are chopping and changing managers.
Ainsworth did ten years in his last role and it would look as though if its up to him he would do similar length of time here.
Its been discussed on this thread we should accept a few hundred grand for Willock. That’s what Les is earning by all accounts.
If we are really as broke is as being suggested I think we let Les go and let Ainsworth shape things as he did with Wycombe.
With a budget as tight as ours I think its an expense we can cut out to protect the playing squad. We’ve got a manager who’s proven at doing the role himself and doesn’t need Les |
To what end?
The plan Les and Hoos have been working toward has run out of steam. However that does not mean that the plan was wrong just that they were incapable of delivering it.
Are you suggesting that we put the future of the club in Ainsworths hands based on his 10 years at Wycombe? | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:45 - Apr 27 with 1370 views | Rangersw12 |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:37 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
But you're also falling into the trap of believing that GA will 100% pay to his stereotype, Clive. How about the alternative I gave earlier - that GA gets the keys to the kingdom and recruits wisely giving us the blend of grit and flair that we've all been crying out for, for less than the price of a pint in the West End?
The team he played in with us had Martin Rowlands in it. If Ebere Eze can say that GA was foundational in his development, and if he also is full of praise for Taylor Richards, why can't we be optimistic that someone has actually thwacked the Board over the head and suggested they might need to be patient for a little while longer yet, if we ever do get back to being able to be promoted in glossy Air Asia-branded brochures about us being "a founder club of the Premier League" or whatever the actual wording of the puff piece was back in the day?
Granted, we know they always get antsy around Christmas, but let's say we actually get of to a decent start and are mid-table around then? |
I admire your optimism and really hope you're right mate | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:00 - Apr 27 with 1295 views | westy |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:41 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
Well, we'll find out in time I guess. Obviously I'm going to be on the ceiling delighted if he does that. For me I haven't seen any indication so far that he's going to build anything other than Wycombe 2.0 here. But we'll see, if he gets that chance, which I'm not convinced he will BTW. |
Understand some of your reservations but how would a Wycombe Wanderers 2 be such a bad thing. A hard working team full of players who want to play for the manager who constantly over achieve, get promoted, then unluckily relegated then reach the play off final.
Sell on a player produced from non league for a decent sum and sell on clause.
Doesn’t sound too bad to me.
All this WW bashing is amusing as they had massive financial constraints with a tiny budget in comparison to the big boys, yet still over achieved in a very tough L1.
I’m sure given time GA will / would prove a success but unfortunately I think there is an awful lot of background noise from keyboard managers that eventually when a sticky time arrives they will be baying for his head. Some already are ffs. I even read on another forum that some fool was wanting Joey Barton as the next manager.
That just sums up the keyboard manager. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:07 - Apr 27 with 1274 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:00 - Apr 27 by westy |
Understand some of your reservations but how would a Wycombe Wanderers 2 be such a bad thing. A hard working team full of players who want to play for the manager who constantly over achieve, get promoted, then unluckily relegated then reach the play off final.
Sell on a player produced from non league for a decent sum and sell on clause.
Doesn’t sound too bad to me.
All this WW bashing is amusing as they had massive financial constraints with a tiny budget in comparison to the big boys, yet still over achieved in a very tough L1.
I’m sure given time GA will / would prove a success but unfortunately I think there is an awful lot of background noise from keyboard managers that eventually when a sticky time arrives they will be baying for his head. Some already are ffs. I even read on another forum that some fool was wanting Joey Barton as the next manager.
That just sums up the keyboard manager. |
BARTON??? 
I nearly suggested that in the thread about threads that would be guarunteed to give Clive an ulcer. That one would be right at the top, I would imagine! | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:12 - Apr 27 with 1253 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:28 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
If these owners stay true to form then Ainsworth will get the keys to the kingdom this summer, he'll put together a really honest, hard working, gritty team that's big on effort and low on technicality. When results go bad, either straight away, or more likely when you start to get the injuries and the suspensions and the hectic fixtures through November (which has basically happened every year since we were relegated last), and the football becomes too attritional the fans will turn - plenty already have. They'll then sack to keep that quiet and having done progressive forward thinking types, then pulled the nostalgia lever, it's probably time for trendy European coach again and so you'll get Ajax Bot 6.8 trying to explain the three-box-three formation to Josh Scowen and... guess what? "You can't judge him until he's got his own players in January... Well January is always a bad month to shop he needs the summer..." and so the cycle starts again.
I'm really not sure I see the logic behind this season exploding because they let Beale bring his own boys in here last summer and then he left, and we fix that by letting Ainsworth bring all his boys in here this summer...
It's nuts this club. I feel like I've sat here and typed that every month for 20 years. |
All of this.
I'd just say: most clubs are like this. it's just that a few do it all better and they grab the headlines for a while, until it goes wrong, which it inevitably does. In 25 years Southampton have gone from getting it all wrong and losing tons of money to great yoputh system and model club, to experts at finding the Pochettino's of this world, to getting it all wrong again and getting relegated. | |
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